Lundstram

[A Storm of Blades]

Wont offer an important first team player an extra couple of thousand but willing to spend 7/8 million on a right back who can’t even make the squad

Daft if you ask me pay then man what he wants

Then signal to the rest of the squad that the club will capitulate to any wage demands, completely eroding the club’s negotiating power?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Wont offer an important first team player an extra couple of thousand but willing to spend 7/8 million on a right back who can’t even make the squad

Daft if you ask me pay then man what he wants

That really is up there with the never-play-him-again mob in terms of terrible takes. You have no idea what he’s asked for, and you’ve thrown in signing a player intended to be here for the long term for no real purpose. We have an approach to what we will pay that has worked – let’s not bin it for someone that could easily be back on the bench next month.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Then signal to the rest of the squad that the club will capitulate to any wage demands, completely eroding the club’s negotiating power?

Do you know what he’s been offered no , neither do I

Lundstram will still be on a lower end championship wage I would guess as he’s not had a new contract

Lundstram deserves to be on a wage in line with the squad

Sounds like we’re trying to low ball him and if we are fair play to Lunny

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

That really is up there with the never-play-him-again mob in terms of terrible takes. You have no idea what he’s asked for, and you’ve thrown in signing a player intended to be here for the long term for no real purpose. We have an approach to what we will pay that has worked – let’s not bin it for someone that could easily be back on the bench next month.

Nobody knows A) what lundstram has asked for B) What we have offered

If lundstram wants 20/30k then he probably deserves that he’s been an important player for the last seasons

If he wants more tell him to go play in the pub league with rangers

 

[LS16Blade]

Given some of his rash challenges thus far, my fear is that, with his head elsewhere, he’ll get himself sent off and cost us a game. For that reason, I wouldn’t start him now and only bring him on if absolutely necessary.

Totally agree.

We had the stupid missed tackle against Wolves in the lead up to the first goal, that immediately punctured any new season enthusiasm and set us on the slippery slope to where we now are; the costly penalty miss at Villa; and he’s picked up 3 yellow cards in 6 league games with rash tackles. Moreover, the yellow at Liverpool in the very 1st minute could easily have been a red; utterly brainless.

It is all indicative of a player whose head isn’t quite focussed.

It seems that Wilder feels that he has no option but to pick him, though given that (a) we’ve made a complete dog’s dinner of the transfer window as regards the midfield, having failed to land our No. 1 target and compounded that by letting one out of the door, and (b) having lost Mousset, he feels that Lundstram is the best hope he has for a goal contribution.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

Totally agree.

We had the stupid missed tackle against Wolves in the lead up to the first goal, that immediately punctured any new season enthusiasm and set us on the slippery slope to where we now are; the costly penalty miss at Villa; and he’s picked up 3 yellow cards in 6 league games with rash tackles. Moreover, the yellow at Liverpool in the very 1st minute could easily have been a red; utterly brainless.

It is all indicative of a player whose head isn’t quite focussed.

It seems that Wilder feels that he has no option but to pick him, though given that (a) we’ve made a complete dog’s dinner of the transfer window as regards the midfield, having failed to land our No. 1 target and compounded that by letting one out of the door, and (b) having lost Mousset, he feels that Lundstram is the best hope he has for a goal contributio

He's become a total liability.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

If lundstram wants 20/30k then he probably deserves that he’s been an important player for the last seasons

He deserves to likely be in the top 4/5 earners in the squad? Really?

Players should be paid on what their value to the squad is currently, and at a level that’s reasonable relative to the others in the squad. When we negotiated with Sharp last season for example we presumably weren’t basing the offer on what he did the previous season, but where he was at the time. When everyone is fit or in-form, Lundstram is likely one of the midfielders to miss out.

He might feel that’s harsh. He might feel he deserves to be paid the wage of a first-choice regular. I’d suggest that if there were other PL teams that valued him that highly, he’d no longer be at the club. He could potentially be better paid as a backup player at a mid to lower half team. So be it if that’s what he wants.

One last thing on contracts. Wilder has consistently said that it’s not just about securing a player’s services, it’s about rewarding players for what they’ve done. I trust that he wouldn’t allow the club to be “low balling” on the offer.

 

[Wards]

He's had a lot of undue stick from certain sections of the fanbase but ultimately has only performed beyond his 'normal' self for approx half a season. I'd like it if he did sign a new deal as he's technically good and seems to understand the system well, plus he always offers a goal threat (none of our other midfielders really do). That said, if there's a chance to recoup a small fee for him in January then it's a no brainer really - we move on and say thankya John.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Many moons ago i called him Jonah Lundstram,because most times he played we invariably did not win,we seem to be hexed by him now and we still dont win.

 

[Mojo]

Why did he try and wipe out Salah for no reason the other day. I thought to myself that he might be getting an early booking so he doesn't have to put himself about for the rest of the game.

I've noticed with lunny he seems to have lost a yard of pace and always slows the game down when the ball comes to him, taking too many touches. The way he has played so far this season he will be no great miss

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

Why did he try and wipe out Salah for no reason the other day. I thought to myself that he might be getting an early booking so he doesn't have to put himself about for the rest of the game.

I've noticed with lunny he seems to have lost a yard of pace and always slows the game down when the ball comes to him, taking too many touches. The way he has played so far this season he will be no great miss

He has reverted to norm; i.e. shite

 

[Sid1978]

Do you know what he’s been offered no , neither do I

Lundstram will still be on a lower end championship wage I would guess as he’s not had a new contract

Lundstram deserves to be on a wage in line with the squad

Sounds like we’re trying to low ball him and if we are fair play to Lunny

Good contradiction. You have no idea what he's asked for. The club (CW et al) don't think he's worth what he wants. And that is good enough for me.

Why don't you email the club and tell them you'll pay the difference between the clubs offer and what the player wants? After all, you're willing to spend the money...

 

[8lade]

No offers came in summer , so there are hardly likely to be any in January ! This is non-news.

and his agent would have done all the circulating required even if United didn't.

 

[TJB.]

Do you know what he’s been offered no , neither do I

Lundstram will still be on a lower end championship wage I would guess as he’s not had a new contract

Lundstram deserves to be on a wage in line with the squad

Sounds like we’re trying to low ball him and if we are fair play to Lunny

JOC has signed. Egan has signed. Fleck has signed.

That signals to me that we play very fair indeed with contracts. I sincerely doubt that we've offered Lundstram a sub-par deal whilst offering adequate deals to our other long-term stars. What possible reason could we have for doing so?

I think Wilder saw a player in Lunny when few did. Even some of our fans wondered what he saw after his first few performances (and some still do now). Yet the loyalty seems to have been truly eroded. There are obviously two sides to every story, but this saga has Duffy Mk. II written all over it.

The key difference being that people liked Duffy a hell of a lot more, proving once and for all that the sequel is always shit compared to the original

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Good contradiction. You have no idea what he's asked for. The club (CW et al) don't think he's worth what he wants. And that is good enough for me.

Why don't you email the club and tell them you'll pay the difference between the clubs offer and what the player wants? After all, you're willing to spend the money...

We sort of do as fans as we buy tickets and shirts but that’s a different argument

I’d be willing to pay lundstram a fair wage correct

As we currently have about 4 fit midfielders in the squad which isn’t great

Plus if he signs a contract we won’t be throwing money down the drain as he will have a resale value

 

[Killamarshblades]

Totally agree.

We had the stupid missed tackle against Wolves in the lead up to the first goal, that immediately punctured any new season enthusiasm and set us on the slippery slope to where we now are; the costly penalty miss at Villa; and he’s picked up 3 yellow cards in 6 league games with rash tackles. Moreover, the yellow at Liverpool in the very 1st minute could easily have been a red; utterly brainless.

It is all indicative of a player whose head isn’t quite focussed.

It seems that Wilder feels that he has no option but to pick him, though given that (a) we’ve made a complete dog’s dinner of the transfer window as regards the midfield, having failed to land our No. 1 target and compounded that by letting one out of the door, and (b) having lost Mousset, he feels that Lundstram is the best hope he has for a goal contribution.

the missed tackle against wolves doesnt excuse Stevens jogging back into position which ultimately was the issue with the goal. The pen at Villa, whilst not the best pen, he shouldnt have even been taking. That was down to Wilder / Wilder's staff not telling the players the order. The order was McGoldrick, Berge, Burke, Lundstram....mcgoldrick had been taken off and the others didnt have a clue so he stepped up. Wilder went mental at this staff at half time over the mess up, so personally feel its a bit harsh on him to get blasted for that pen.

 

[Danetheblade]

Wont offer an important first team player an extra couple of thousand but willing to spend 7/8 million on a right back who can’t even make the squad

Daft if you ask me pay then man what he wants

Glad we won't offer him an extra couple of thousand.. he's limited, isn't as good as he or folk make him out to be, he's moody. Played like he's got tit on recently, wants to be top dog when in reality he's a bang average mid/lower championship player. Get to fuck lunwank.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

JOC has signed. Egan has signed. Fleck has signed.

That signals to me that we play very fair indeed with contracts. I sincerely doubt that we've offered Lundstram a sub-par deal whilst offering adequate deals to our other long-term stars. What possible reason could we have for doing so?

I think Wilder saw a player in Lunny when few did. Even some of our fans wondered what he saw after his first few performances (and some still do now). Yet the loyalty seems to have been truly eroded. There are obviously two sides to every story, but this saga has Duffy Mk. II written all over it.

The key difference being that people liked Duffy a hell of a lot more, proving once and for all that the sequel is always shit compared to the original

I think what it shows is that we value Egan/fleck far higher than lunny which is fair enough

But lunny has been a key 1st team player the last year so to offer him say a wage not in line with that is probably why there’s a disagreement

It’s stupid from both sides lundstram is a far better player with us as he won’t get another team at this level who knows how he plays and willing to start him

And we’re chucking money down the drain as this time last year he was probably worth £10 million

Daft from both sides if he wants an extra 5k you pay him that

 

[8lade]

"Despite insisting the package of terms they presented to Lundstram towards the end of last term was non-negotiable - they were thought to include an improved salary and various other performance-related incentives - United are believed to have recently adjusted some of the details in an attempt to break the impasse."

Well this was what I suggested the club did* to allow Lundstram to save face and he's still turned it down, no more can be done. However United have moved to make sure he won't be missed so 'well done' all round to United.

edit: * not exactly this but minor improvements to his deal

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Glad we won't offer him an extra couple of thousand.. he's limited, isn't as good as he or folk make him out to be, he's moody. Played like he's got tit on recently, wants to be top dog when in reality he's a bang average mid/lower championship player. Get to fuck lunwank.

“ Limited? Isn’t good “

He was arguably our best player first half of last season and was one of our top scorers , so he definitely isn’t bang average CW doesn’t think that either has he’s started most matches this season even with the contract dispute

“he’s moody”

Based on what ? I’d say playing well which he has this season while he’s got a contract dispute in the last year of his contract shows he has a great attitude

Deluded man

 

[BladeTillIDie]

I'm abit confused by wilder on this situation, the window shut two weeks ago, why didn't we decide then JL wasn't going to be staying? He's not that irreplaceable so surely a replacement wouldn't have been too hard to find without breaking the bank. We're already short on midfielders IMO and now we have another midfielder that isn't in our future plans. Hurry up the JTW I say..

 

[Yogi]

I think what it shows is that we value Egan/fleck far higher than lunny which is fair enough

But lunny has been a key 1st team player the last year so to offer him say a wage not in line with that is probably why there’s a disagreement

It’s stupid from both sides lundstram is a far better player with us as he won’t get another team at this level who knows how he plays and willing to start him

And we’re chucking money down the drain as this time last year he was probably worth £10 million

Daft from both sides if he wants an extra 5k you pay him that

What if he’s not happy with our vision of his role in the squad rather than just the money? When everyone’s fit he now doesn’t start and seeing as our transfer business has been very progressive I can’t see a player of his ability stopping us from making additions there over the course of a contract of any kind of length he’s likely to slip further and further down the pecking order. That isn’t the sort of player I’d be making special concessions for as a club which could have unsettling effects throughout the rest of the team.

 

[Working Class Hero]

the missed tackle against wolves doesnt excuse Stevens jogging back into position which ultimately was the issue with the goal. The pen at Villa, whilst not the best pen, he shouldnt have even been taking. That was down to Wilder / Wilder's staff not telling the players the order. The order was McGoldrick, Berge, Burke, Lundstram....mcgoldrick had been taken off and the others didnt have a clue so he stepped up. Wilder went mental at this staff at half time over the mess up, so personally feel its a bit harsh on him to get blasted for that pen.

How do you know that, just out of curiosity?

 

[TJB.]

I think what it shows is that we value Egan/fleck far higher than lunny which is fair enough

But lunny has been a key 1st team player the last year so to offer him say a wage not in line with that is probably why there’s a disagreement

It’s stupid from both sides lundstram is a far better player with us as he won’t get another team at this level who knows how he plays and willing to start him

And we’re chucking money down the drain as this time last year he was probably worth £10 million

Daft from both sides if he wants an extra 5k you pay him that

It's no good spitballing figures out when we're not privvy to such discussions, nor does it do any good to say 'Just pay it him' when it ain't our money.

All we can go on is the facts, and the fact is that others have been happy to sign their new contracts and Lunny doesn't want to. The facts indicate to me that I don't think the club are the ones being difficult here.

I'm sure time will tell. If I was to put 50p on it, I don't reckon he'll be getting a better deal elsewhere than the one we've offered him.

 

[Yogi]

I'm abit confused by wilder on this situation, the window shut two weeks ago, why didn't we decide then JL wasn't going to be staying? He's not that irreplaceable so surely a replacement wouldn't have been too hard to find without breaking the bank. We're already short on midfielders IMO and now we have another midfielder that isn't in our future plans. Hurry up the JTW I say..

Comes down to funds and focus I reckon went for swift early rebuffed then moved on to deals we could do elsewhere Ramsdale and the two derby lads. Additions up front top priority so Brewster which was very protracted and costly then finally we were scrambling around for a JOC stand in those last few weeks which we didn’t pull off midfielder just probably moved down the list of priorities due to circumstances.

 

[Danetheblade]

“ Limited? Isn’t good “

He was arguably our best player first half of last season and was one of our top scorers , so he definitely isn’t bang average CW doesn’t think that either has he’s started most matches this season even with the contract dispute

“he’s moody”

Based on what ? I’d say playing well which he has this season while he’s got a contract dispute in the last year of his contract shows he has a great attitude

Deluded man

So what's happened to the form he had from last season? If you classify "playing well" as side to side passes most games, reckless tackles resulting in a yellow EVERY game then yeah sure.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Comes down to funds and focus I reckon went for swift early rebuffed then moved on to deals we could do elsewhere Ramsdale and the two derby lads. Additions up front top priority so Brewster which was very protracted and costly then finally we were scrambling around for a JOC stand in those last few weeks which we didn’t pull off midfielder just probably moved down the list of priorities due to circumstances.

True but surely a loan or a cheapish championship player could have done a job in the squad? Luke Freeman is a top champ player and cost us 5m.

 

[Yogi]

True but surely a loan or a cheapish championship player could have done a job in the squad? Luke Freeman is a top champ player and cost us 5m.

Agreed funds wise I don’t think it was beyond us per say I think before the window started we’d sounded out swift and were confident that would get done and had therefore budgeted for it. My point was more after Brewster any capital we had left was probably reassigned to the pot to try and bring in that JOC stand in we so desperately needed and hadn’t budgeted for but didn’t get. I’d expect us to revisit both in January but I still think we’ll look for lower value high upside signings like the derby boys.

 

[8lade]

We're already short on midfielders IMO and now we have another midfielder that isn't in our future plans.

When everyone’s fit he now doesn’t start

I'm going with the second quote here:
Berge
Ampadu
Osborn/Fleck debateable but with Fleck injured
Norwood/Lundstram

And I feel generous putting him on a par with Norwood, theoretically we could adjust players around and Lundstram would be 6th choice for 3 starting places if everybody was well.

 

[LondonBlade89]

He played a big part in our team when we were doing well. He had a great knack of popping up in goalscoring positions, he built a good playing relationship with Baldock and Basham, which unlocked a lot of space down the right wing, and he could get up and down the pitch exceptionally well meaning we could always put teams under pressure when we didn't have the ball.

The reality is though - and the big issue right now - is that he's generally elevated by those around him. Others (Fleck, JOC, Didsy..) had to create the chances for him. Baldock and Basham needed to make the runs off him to create space down the right, and as his confidence has dipped so has his ability to link with them. He's energetic off the ball but on it he's just not quite up to it.

I don't think he's become a bad player overnight. Nor do I think he is reining it in, otherwise he wouldn't be anywhere near the first team. But for the reason I mentioned, we can't make him one of our top earners. And I get the sense he wanted to be paid like that. If he reckons he can get more elsewhere, more power to him. Football careers can be short and there are already signs that Wilder was planning for a future without him.