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itsinyerblood
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I'll start this one Pinchers - Blades Gayest Player? Blades God Pinchy? I'm sure there are countless permutations, so if anyone can contribute, we might eventually discover what BGP actually stands for?
I think its meant to say BRP for bog roll prince,its m jupps way of explaining the prince and tbh its propably easier than saying his full name.Whats worrying me is how the prince(brp)is taking all the flack ,saying where's all this money what he's supposedly got etc and yet mccabe never gets a mention
I could have swore blind mccabe wasn't skint hisself.
itsinyerblood
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I think its meant to say BRP for bog roll prince,its m jupps way of explaining the prince and tbh its propably easier than saying his full name.Whats worrying me is how the prince(brp)is taking all the flack ,saying where's all this money what he's supposedly got etc and yet mccabe never gets a mention
Wiz, the question of McCabe's finances have been documented and dissected on countless occasions. Yep, he's worth a few quid, but he's not floating in the type of money it will take to get SUFC promoted, hence the Prince coming on board.
More importantly, isn't it Clough who selects the players he wants at the club? So it'll be Nigel's recommendations that get the thumb's up or thumb's down from the Prince. Clough knows exactly what level of financial support he's got, he's not complaining, although I'm sure he'd like a bit more to play with, but it is what it is. This has all been made perfectly clear from day one, but you can't prevent supporters having flights of fancy, so if someone decides that we should be spending millions in this division then they'll continue to believe that, regardless of the reality that exists.
And on the question of the abbreviation BRP, it's offensive mate, but hey, we're supporters, so I guess that gives that minority with loud voices the right to stamp their feet and offend in their usual misguided manner.
Pinchy
Blade, not Bladey.
It seems to me that if you have any serious pretensions to being a patronising, offensive smartarse you really ought to get your insulting abbreviations and acronyms correct. Trust me, I know these things.
Mr. Jupp's remarks about our latest recruits and our co-owner (who has already invested significantly, without some people noticing) are precisely what you would expect from a Pig on the wind-up. I am not saying that's what he is, but, if not, he is doing a pretty good impersonation.
Mr. Jupp's remarks about our latest recruits and our co-owner (who has already invested significantly, without some people noticing) are precisely what you would expect from a Pig on the wind-up. I am not saying that's what he is, but, if not, he is doing a pretty good impersonation.
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Given we've gone off topic into ownership and money...
Clough was asked regarding the budget required for promotion. The budget was agreed by the board (the Prince, his representatives and the McCabe's) and Clough is happy with this. The signings are the players he wants.
The Prince has already spent significantly (not entirely sure how people think football clubs run) and will continue to do so.
Kevin McCabe spent significantly and effectively kept the club in business. He made mistakes, he's held his hands up to them, but there's no doubting he wants the best for Sheffield United.
Clough was asked regarding the budget required for promotion. The budget was agreed by the board (the Prince, his representatives and the McCabe's) and Clough is happy with this. The signings are the players he wants.
The Prince has already spent significantly (not entirely sure how people think football clubs run) and will continue to do so.
Kevin McCabe spent significantly and effectively kept the club in business. He made mistakes, he's held his hands up to them, but there's no doubting he wants the best for Sheffield United.
Hague Blade
Whatever.
Foxy Ok, I'll bite. Clearly, McCabe has put plenty in over the years. Many of us would say a lot of it wasted by poor decisions on managers and players, but it's at least visible.
With reference to the Prince, can you define "spent significantly" any more clearly - a couple of million ? 10 ? 20 ? - and give any idea of what the money has been spent on ? Presumably running costs, including wages, as we're certainly not paying out anything much in transfer fees, but it'd be nice to have any more detail that you have.
With reference to the Prince, can you define "spent significantly" any more clearly - a couple of million ? 10 ? 20 ? - and give any idea of what the money has been spent on ? Presumably running costs, including wages, as we're certainly not paying out anything much in transfer fees, but it'd be nice to have any more detail that you have.
GRUMPY BLADE
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I think its meant to say BRP for bog roll prince,its m jupps way of explaining the prince and tbh its propably easier than saying his full name.Whats worrying me is how the prince(brp)is taking all the flack ,saying where's all this money what he's supposedly got etc and yet mccabe never gets a mention
Righting off £40m debt in exchange for a £1 ain't a bad level of investment in my eyes.
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It'll all obviously be in the accounts (albeit not exactly broken down into his personal spend), but think of the costs since he arrived (both officially and before he was announced to the press) and the income we receive from ticket sales/tv money. We've had running costs and player incomings (transfers and loans), sacked a management team, sourced a new one etc etc.
We've had a good cup run yes, but we don't exactly break even on the normal income do we?
To quantify the exact amount, I'd need to know what David Weir and his backroom team have cost us (so far), which is something that quite rightly has been kept private so far.
Anyone that thinks he's rode in and spent a pound has little idea of the real world
LoughboroBlade
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It'll all obviously be in the accounts (albeit not exactly broken down into his personal spend), but think of the costs since he arrived (both officially and before he was announced to the press) and the income we receive from ticket sales/tv money. We've had running costs and player incomings (transfers and loans), sacked a management team, sourced a new one etc etc.
We've had a good cup run yes, but we don't exactly break even on the normal income do we?
To quantify the exact amount, I'd need to know what David Weir and his backroom team have cost us (so far), which is something that quite rightly has been kept private so far.
Anyone that thinks he's rode in and spent a pound has little idea of the real world
This is presumably the first season since Robson left that we have licence to invest more this season than the one previous. Up till then it has felt like we've had to do more with less each season. That, combined with presumably significantly less pressure to sell the quality already in the squad, isn't something to take lightly.
Hague Blade
Whatever.
Foxy LoughboroBlade thanks for the replies. I understand what you say, and it all makes sense, but it feels a bit too much accounting and a bit lacking in excitement.
One of the things that really p!sses me off about Utd is the penny-pinching South Yorkshire attitude to transfers – it’s typical that despite at least a decade of way over-priced footballers (they even want birthday cakes these days…) our record transfer fee paid is still 'only' the £4 million for Beattie. Beyond that, I can’t remember us paying more than a couple of million for anyone (and even then we wasted it on dross like Claude Davis, last seen in Rotherham reserves). It’s one of the great myths of recent Utd history that Warnock “was given backing” when we were last in the Prem – though he didn’t help himself by wasting what money he was given on the likes of Horsfield, Akinbiyi, Fathi, Shelton and Hendrie.
Think of any other club that we might consider even remotely comparable – "small" clubs like Coventry, Wigan, Hull, Leicester, the Pigs – and you can bet they’ve pushed the boat out further than we have. I know we're subject to FPP, I know wages at our level are more of a consideration than fees, and I know the third division is a tough sell, but I would love it, love it if we actually splashed out some real cash on a big(ish) name for once - Coady would be a start, at least...
One of the things that really p!sses me off about Utd is the penny-pinching South Yorkshire attitude to transfers – it’s typical that despite at least a decade of way over-priced footballers (they even want birthday cakes these days…) our record transfer fee paid is still 'only' the £4 million for Beattie. Beyond that, I can’t remember us paying more than a couple of million for anyone (and even then we wasted it on dross like Claude Davis, last seen in Rotherham reserves). It’s one of the great myths of recent Utd history that Warnock “was given backing” when we were last in the Prem – though he didn’t help himself by wasting what money he was given on the likes of Horsfield, Akinbiyi, Fathi, Shelton and Hendrie.
Think of any other club that we might consider even remotely comparable – "small" clubs like Coventry, Wigan, Hull, Leicester, the Pigs – and you can bet they’ve pushed the boat out further than we have. I know we're subject to FPP, I know wages at our level are more of a consideration than fees, and I know the third division is a tough sell, but I would love it, love it if we actually splashed out some real cash on a big(ish) name for once - Coady would be a start, at least...
Pinchy
Blade, not Bladey.
The season's only just finished mate!! How many other clubs have made their first two signings?
I really do think you are suffering from an acute case of premature exasperation!
Let's see how you feel come August, eh? There are good things to come for sure.
Pinchy
Blade, not Bladey.
They run on fresh air. There are no utility or other bills to pay. Players and staff all give their services for nothing because they are Bladey Blades. There are no expenses, except for the odd pint of milk and a few tea bags. HMRC have kindly waived tax and National Insurance payments. The pitch is equipped with self-cutting grass and all electricity is generated by Nick Montgomery running 24 hours a day on a giant hamster wheel.
Such minor expenditure as does arise is easily covered by the Blades Revival Fund, with plenty left over for prizes, often won by players, who contribute selflessly to the fund despite their own penury.
Transfer fees are placed in a special interest earnings account. They are never spent. Hence, questions like "Where has the £100,000 we got for Mick Jones gone, eh......" remain valid to this day.
itsinyerblood
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Reading your post Hague Blade, there's part of me that says, "Spot on mate". You're right, we've always underspent and underachieved, so much so that it's almost become habitual as well as historical, and yes, I thought the signing of Beattie might be the beginning of a new chapter in SUFC's determination to go that extra mile, but no, a false dawn, one of many we've been drawn into believing might be the start of something new in the club's history.
The flipside of this is wages, and today's averagely good footballer requires a weekly fortune, and with a 3-4 year agreement, it means we're committed to that level of expenditure. So if success doesn't miraculously appear we're lumbered with an overhead that has to be found from somewhere. We can't expect cup success every year, so no income on the level we've seen last season.....bottom line, you either speculate with no guarantees, or you take a spectacular risk, with implications that can follow the club for years into the future.
The best thing that's happened to this club for years has been the appointment of Nigel Clough. We now have someone who has taken decisive action in sorting the wheat from the chaff, someone whose grasp of how to manage a club suits us perfectly, and who will cut his cloth accordingly, akin to how most households operate their budgets.
We're a giant amongst minnows, some claim uh? Nothing to be proud of, in fact, something we should use to remind ourselves of how much work needs to be done if we're to build something that has substance and good foundations. HB, I'd love for us to go out and spend a couple of million+ on a forward or two, another million on a midfielder, and maybe another million on two decent defenders, but it ain't gonna happen mate, and with good, sound, financial reasons for keeping our feet on the ground and our heads out of the clouds.
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Kev Gee
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Some people need to take a step back.
The season isnt even over yet officially. & we already have 2 signings. When was the last time that happened?
I dont care who we sign tbh as i have total faith on Clough to get in & do what is needed for us to go up as Champions.
The season isnt even over yet officially. & we already have 2 signings. When was the last time that happened?
I dont care who we sign tbh as i have total faith on Clough to get in & do what is needed for us to go up as Champions.
Bergen Blade
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Let's remember that we had brought back Julian Winter to oversee big cuts in our expenses and before the prince came in Weir had only been allowed to bring in:
- Fabian Brandy, Walsall
- Jasper Johns, Everton
- Sean McGinty, Man Utd
- Stephen McGinn, Watford
- Lyle Taylor, Falkirk
- Conor Coady, Liverpool
Three players unwanted and released by their former clubs + Brandy and Taylor, who probably weren't on huge wages at their former clubs. Probably same with Coady, a youth loan from Liverpool? That was pretty much going to be it.
Then after the prince came in, Weir, and later Clough, brought in higher caliber of players, all seniors, several from clubs in higher divisions:
- Jose Baxter, Oldham
- Florent Cuvelier, Stoke
- Marlon King, Unattached
- Stefan Scougal, Livingston
- Robert Harris, Blackpool
- Adie White, Leeds
- Simon Lappin, Cardiff
- Ryan Hall, Leeds
- John Brayford, Cardiff
- Kieron Freeman, Derby
- Ben Davies, Derby
- Billy Paynter, Doncaster
Hague Blade
Whatever.
Bergen Blade I'm not convinced all of those were in fact higher calibre (Cuvelier, King, the loanees apart from Brayford) but I'm sure you're right about their wages, and so we can assume that without the Prince we wouldn't have been able to afford them.
Bergen Blade
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Agree, poor expression to use.
Regarding your point on transfer fees, we seem to prefer spending our money on player wages instead:
Pinchy
Blade, not Bladey.
Agree, poor expression to use.
Regarding your point on transfer fees, we seem to prefer spending our money on player wages instead:
We will be spending on both this Summer.
Balham
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Hague Blade while you're right about us not spending big on transfers, the real issue as I see it is that we've preferred to buy players at the peak of their powers rather than players who have the potential to improve (and therefore increase in value). I can't think of a single player other than Blackman that we've bought for a fee and sold on for more since we got relegated from the Premier League.
2007-08:
Beattie: in £4m out £3.5m
Speed: in £250k out £0
2008-09
Henderson: in £2m out £0
Ward: in £333k out £?
2009-10
Evans: in £3m out £0
Cresswell: in £1m, out £0
Yeates: in £?, out £?
2010-11
McAllister: in £50k out
Collins: in £500k, still here
2011-12
Flynn: in £150k, still here
2012-13
Blackman: in £50k, out £1.2m
Murphy: in £250k, still here
Westlake: in £60k, out £0
2013-14
Cuvelier: £250k, still here
Scougall: in £400k, still here
Taylor: in £220k, still here
Baxter: in £200k, still here
2007-08:
Beattie: in £4m out £3.5m
Speed: in £250k out £0
2008-09
Henderson: in £2m out £0
Ward: in £333k out £?
2009-10
Evans: in £3m out £0
Cresswell: in £1m, out £0
Yeates: in £?, out £?
2010-11
McAllister: in £50k out
Collins: in £500k, still here
2011-12
Flynn: in £150k, still here
2012-13
Blackman: in £50k, out £1.2m
Murphy: in £250k, still here
Westlake: in £60k, out £0
2013-14
Cuvelier: £250k, still here
Scougall: in £400k, still here
Taylor: in £220k, still here
Baxter: in £200k, still here
Bergen Blade
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More on Blackwell's brilliant list of signings here:
http://scandinavianblades.webs.com/apps/blog/show/10160593-blackwell-s-short-termism
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Bergen Blade
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We will spend money on transfer fees and player wages this summer? Yes I think that is likely.
Kenilworth
He's one of OUR own
Good blog post that one Bergers - makes you shudder looking at that list
........ Nosworthy, twice! OMG
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Agree, poor expression to use.
Regarding your point on transfer fees, we seem to prefer spending our money on player wages instead:
I read a book 'Soccernomics' that said there is no correlation between money spent on transfers and league position, there is however a very strong correlation between players wages and league position so it appears we are doing things the right way.
This book also talks lots about Brian Clough and uses him as an example of the ideal manager, so hopefully jr will be the same
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