Jags free to leave Everton at the end of the season?

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I think for fans of any club a hand ball like the Jags one, the McEveley one and the one Jack O'Connell did, will always be hard to understand or accept at the time. It is always needless and you wonder what's going through the head at the time. Jags was just the highest profile example and to be honest it did cost us big time and he never said sorry to the fans (from what I can remember) maybe some think he doesn't need to buy I know I would have done. He was a great player for us but that hand ball has tarnished it for me. Sorry if some think that makes me bitter but I disagree.
 

Fantastic player for us (when moved back into defence anyway). Would be one of the best CB's in the Championship should he choose to play in there next season. Hope we have two better if we go up but why wouldn't we be interested if we are in there too and we haven't?

As for the "deliberate hand ball" bollocks, what a crock of shit, a none bent referee would have given him a foul for the push in the back.
The idea he is anymore responsible for our relegation than Warnock (too many negative formations away from home), Kenny (Lampard scoring from 35 yards, diabolical effort v Everton), Webber (missing sitter v Wigan), Gerrard/Davis (impersonating the Chuckle Brothers v Pompey) and all the others who dropped bollocks (it's inevitable you know) throughout the season is simply laughable.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Fantastic player for us (when moved back into defence anyway). Would be one of the best CB's in the Championship should he choose to play in there next season. Hope we have two better if we go up but why wouldn't we be interested if we are in there too and we haven't?

As for the "deliberate hand ball" bollocks, what a crock of shit, a none bent referee would have given him a foul for the push in the back.
The idea he is anymore responsible for our relegation than Warnock (too many negative formations away from home), Kenny (Lampard scoring from 35 yards, diabolical effort v Everton), Webber (missing sitter v Wigan), Gerrard/Davis (impersonating the Chuckle Brothers v Pompey) and all the others who dropped bollocks (it's inevitable you know) throughout the season is simply laughable.
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All I've said is he sealed our fate with a daft handball. Not that he was "responsible". Ive said many times that's down to Warnocks tactics and him chasing the green and "buying for the future"
 
Legend.

Two versions.

1. A United Legend. Famous for playing for us... eg Currie, Hagan, Woodward... add your favourites too.

2. A Footballing Legend... two off the top, who have played for us... JIMMY JOHNSTONE .. Martin Peters. I would have included Alex Sabella IF he had won the World Cup as manager of Argentina.....

Anyone disagree with the choices for 2?
 
Sean Thornton said:
All I've said is he sealed our fate with a daft handball. Not that he was "responsible". Ive said many times that's down to Warnocks tactics and him chasing the green and "buying for the future"
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To me there is a crucial difference between an honest mistake such as missing a pen, bad tactics, missing an open goal etc. But putting your hands up in front of the referee with the slightest of pushes I admit - which doesn't mean you have to put your hands up in the air, is different because its totally avoidable and not needed. When you miss a pen you need to step up and shoot, Everyone knows you might miss. When you hand ball like Jags did then he didn't need to do it, it was the only thing you wouldn't want him doing. Going back to the penalty analogy it would be the equivalent of stepping up to take the pen and turning round to face your own goal and kicking it out for a throw in! That's how bad a mistake it was! Obviously shooting the wrong way in a pen would be a deliberate act to sabotage your own team and I'm not saying he did that, but what the hell was he thinking of I will never know.
 
Sean Thornton said:
All I've said is he sealed our fate with a daft handball. Not that he was "responsible". Ive said many times that's down to Warnocks tactics and him chasing the green and "buying for the future"
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And Webber hitting the post.

And Fergie letting West Ham win on the last day before taking Tevez in exchange.

And Brooking being on the disciplinary panel.

And Kozzy's perfectly good winner at Upton Park being disallowed

And the penalty for intent

And Liverpool reserves gifting Fulham points

One of those "perfect storm" moments I reckon. Problem is, we were relegated by one of them last time we were in the PL too.

Shearer missing a hatful of chances to allow Ipswich a point.

Segers getting "beaten" by Stuart.

Spurs getting off with dodgy dealings.

Blake not getting that penalty at Maine Road.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
And Webber hitting the post.

And Fergie letting West Ham win on the last day before taking Tevez in exchange.

And Brooking being on the disciplinary panel.

And Kozzy's perfectly good winner at Upton Park being disallowed

And the penalty for intent

And Liverpool reserves gifting Fulham points

One of those "perfect storm" moments I reckon. Problem is, we were relegated by one of them last time we were in the PL too.

Shearer missing a hatful of chances to allow Ipswich a point.

Segers getting "beaten" by Stuart.

Spurs getting off with dodgy dealings.

Blake not getting that penalty at Maine Road.
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How many points were we clear at one point?

Where did we strengthen when money was made available.
 
LYDON said:
Legend.

Two versions.

1. A United Legend. Famous for playing for us... eg Currie, Hagan, Woodward... add your favourites too.

2. A Footballing Legend... two off the top, who have played for us... JIMMY JOHNSTONE .. Martin Peters. I would have included Alex Sabella IF he had won the World Cup as manager of Argentina.....

Anyone disagree with the choices for 2?
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Yes, Hagan is both a Blades legend and a footballing legend. I'd argue Billy Gillespie and Fatty were too.
 

LYDON said:
Legend.

Two versions.

1. A United Legend. Famous for playing for us... eg Currie, Hagan, Woodward... add your favourites too.

2. A Footballing Legend... two off the top, who have played for us... JIMMY JOHNSTONE .. Martin Peters. I would have included Alex Sabella IF he had won the World Cup as manager of Argentina.....

Anyone disagree with the choices for 2?
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Ian Rush for 2.
 
Sean Thornton said:
All I've said is he sealed our fate with a daft handball. Not that he was "responsible". Ive said many times that's down to Warnocks tactics and him chasing the green and "buying for the future"
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Wasn't a response to a direct quote from you Thorners, just a general reading of the thread and a, perhaps perceived (but in Pinchy's case specific), notion that he was more responsible than most for our relegation.
 
Jags is a legend and as a 36 yr old blade certainly one of the best players I have seen play for us ,
The hand ball was stupid an at the worst time of the season to do it ,but he def doesn't deserve some of the abuse he is getting on this thread,

To this day i still have no idea why NW played him at RB for that game ! Killa got battered by Wigan's front 2 as he had done the week before at villa and should have been benched for the Wigan game


Also jags did set up the equaliser with that great cross for steads goal !
 
He didn't handle the ball as part of any conspiracy. Equally it didn't happen as a result of a push. That's bollocks. There were no protests at all when the penalty was given, even from OBN. It was a moment of madness.

The point is a much more simple one. He knew he wasn't going to be relegated. He didn't give a fuck whether we were and still doesn't. He never mentioned the incident at the time, neither has he since. He has no interest in our club or the fans who ridiculously label him a 'legend'. That's the truth. He's an Everton player. I don't support Everton. Fuck him.
 
pesch the mini genius said:
Jags is a legend and as a 36 yr old blade certainly one of the best players I have seen play for us ,
The hand ball was stupid an at the worst time of the season to do it ,but he def doesn't deserve some of the abuse he is getting on this thread,

To this day i still have no idea why NW played him at RB for that game ! Killa got battered by Wigan's front 2 as he had done the week before at villa and should have been benched for the Wigan game


Also jags did set up the equaliser with that great cross for steads goal !
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If that's partly in reference to my comments then its not abuse I'm giving just that it cost us for a mistake that was totally avoidable. I've watched the hand ball again this afternoon, due to this thread, and his hands are up before the ball even arrives or the push which isn't a push just a player behind jostling for the ball. He had no need to do it. That doesn't mean he's not a Blades legend but as I said I thought he should have apologised to the fans at some point.
 
Pinchy said:
He didn't handle the ball as part of any conspiracy. Equally it didn't happen as a result of a push. That's bollocks. There were no protests at all when the penalty was given, even from OBN. It was a moment of madness.

The point is a much more simple one. He knew he wasn't going to be relegated. He didn't give a fuck whether we were and still doesn't. He never mentioned the incident at the time, neither has he since. He has no interest in our club or the fans who ridiculously label him a 'legend'. That's the truth. He's an Everton player. I don't support Everton. Fuck him.
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When you say he didn't give a fuck I think that's harsh mate, unless you know him personally or others that do. Players move on and it was always going to be that we lost him after that season but I didn't like the minimum fee we had to adhere to but that's football. As you said I've never heard him mention it at at the time of the relegation which I thought was poor, I.E for a mistake of that magnitude that was avoidable, I would expect him to say sorry to the fans, I would hope he did it to the players at least but he probably did.
 
I wouldn't want him to come back but only because I think we need to keep to the path that Wilder's set us out on and I don't think he fits that profile.
He was a really good player for us and gave us many greats moments and one bad one.
If he had any interest in coming back, one read of this thread would convince him otherwise.
 
siblade said:
I wouldn't want him to come back but only because I think we need to keep to the path that Wilder's set us out on and I don't think he fits that profile.
He was a really good player for us and gave us many greats moments and one bad one.
If he had any interest in coming back, one read of this thread would convince him otherwise.
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I doubt his decision if he wanted to come back would hinge on a few comments on a forum mate?! Any football forum doesn't represent the views of the fans as a whole,and certainly not a handful on the Jags thread, like me, that thought what he did was insane. He still gave us many great moments as you say and I was there for them too, so I do recognise his contribution to us, through many years.
 
Sean Thornton said:
We were in control of the two I mentioned......
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Yeah we were, but I think in any footballing situation you can say there were elements within your control. If you get screwed over by a dodgy penalty in the last minute, you can always argue that if you’d been 2-0 up or more, it wouldn’t have mattered. But you were still screwed over. My point was merely that we’re talking very fine margins where one change to any number of variables could have been the difference. We failed to do the bit we were in control of but what we did do would have been enough but for a number of external variables not falling our way or even justly. The Court of Arbitration agreed with that stance.
 
Pinchy said:
He didn't handle the ball as part of any conspiracy. Equally it didn't happen as a result of a push. That's bollocks. There were no protests at all when the penalty was given, even from OBN. It was a moment of madness.

The point is a much more simple one. He knew he wasn't going to be relegated. He didn't give a fuck whether we were and still doesn't. He never mentioned the incident at the time, neither has he since. He has no interest in our club or the fans who ridiculously label him a 'legend'. That's the truth. He's an Everton player. I don't support Everton. Fuck him.
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bravo.. crikey i agree with the pinchmeister.. again
 
Pinchy said:
He didn't handle the ball as part of any conspiracy. Equally it didn't happen as a result of a push. That's bollocks. There were no protests at all when the penalty was given, even from OBN. It was a moment of madness.

The point is a much more simple one. He knew he wasn't going to be relegated. He didn't give a fuck whether we were and still doesn't. He never mentioned the incident at the time, neither has he since. He has no interest in our club or the fans who ridiculously label him a 'legend'. That's the truth. He's an Everton player. I don't support Everton. Fuck him.
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Bit harsh but not necessarily wrong...the move to Everton would have been lined up weeks before and he would have surely cost double if we'd stayed up
 
I cannot believe what I am reading from some so-called Blades.

Jagielka, a guy who played over 250 times for our club and was part of some of the most iconic moments in recent SUFC history, is being accused of deliberately giving away a penalty that would not only relegate the team that gave him his big chance in the game but also relegate his friends (Tonge, Montgomery, Morgan, Paddy) and would likely lead to the sacking of the man who gave him that break?

Jagielka, a guy who, whilst not a supporter of the club growing up, loved the club and has never ever said a bad word about it, deliberately cost us our chance of surivival just because it would make it easier for him to go to another team?

Jagielka, a guy so selfless that he was willing to go in goal and play anywhere on the pitch if needed, decided in the split second that ball came into the box - not even halfway through the game, I add - that he would gift Wigan a penalty because it would definitely relegate us?

Get a f*****g grip. Jagielka is one of the top five players we've had in the 30+ years I've followed United and he has gone on to do us proud since he moved on. He gave us moments like that Leeds wonder goal, the Middlesbrough goal, countless last-ditch blocks and tackles to save points and some of our supporters want to accuse him of deliberately relegating the club. FFS. There really are some people in the world bitter at people who go on and make a success of their lives aren't there? To suggest that Jags wasn't in despair at our relegation is downright stupid, to suggest he deliberately caused it to engineer a move is downright disrespectful and a disgrace. I never saw a less than 100% committed Jagielka and I didn't see one that day either.

For the record, I wouldn't sign him either but not for such idiotic reasons as some of those given on this thread.
 

Revolution said:
254 league games, the last 133 consecutively
player of the season 3 years running
twice in PFA team of the year with us
Championship player of the year 2006
A big part of the Triple Assault side and the Promotion winning side

If that's not a Blades legend, I don't know what is. He's our greatest player of the current century by a country mile.

We can't afford to get him back even if we wanted to sign him.
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He wer a good lad but Walker
 
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