If Ched a waste of money?

[CrookesBlade]

Is Ched a waste of money?

Who knows? We are 3 games into pre season. His signing was always going to be a gamble, missing a pre season game doesn't make him John Ebbrell.

 

[I should coco]

I wrote Of Clarke, I think a lot of people did. He only started scoring once the job had virtually been done and only needed a point for promotion

So goals when we are 'nearly promoted' don't count then. Thanks for letting us know.

And there's plenty of kids we could have got, we could have easily got devante Cole whose only in hit early 20,s. And he would have been less of a risk,

Devante Cole? Give me strength...

you can train up a young lad

You can train up a penguin, chimpanzee or dolphin too, but then we want someone with an innate ability to score goals, not to catch fish or eat peanuts.

But everyone saying on here, wilder turns players around, fair enough if he does but we will get one season out of Evans

One season, why is that exactly?

Given your jovial mood, could it be because the world will end in 2018? Have you thought of getting a sandwich board and standing on John Street to promote this message?

 

[GrayBlade]

Mathew and Mario seem very keen to send us all a message.

 

[Matthew the blade]

Mathew and Mario seem very keen to send us all a message.

Not a thing all, just don't get morons who live in the past. Saying oh he has a great season, so what he's injury prone give him a chance. No one even realise he's never done it in championship before. Ok let's give him a chance because he's showed promise before. Ok then let's get James Wallace and florent cuvelier i mean at time they looked a class above. And sure there injury probe, but hey that doesn't matter because I live in the past like everyone else.

 

[I should coco]

Mathew and Mario seem very keen to send us all a message.

They both look the same too, judging by the identical avatars.......

 

[BLADES1988]

No

 

[Dkc]

It's Evans.

Some people are just known by their first names - Boris, for example. And Ched.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Some people are just known by their first names - Boris, for example. And Ched.

Karloff, Becker, Yeltsin? Or Bojo?

 

[Digger]

Hanson didn't impress in League 1 for us. I doubt he's suddenly going to in a higher division. Plus, we play a different, and worse, way when he's on.

The thing is, we're going into a tough division where teams are splurging £17million on quality.

I don't feel like we've got the breathing space to 'give someone a break' and wait till October/November.

Fair comment.
I think we will sign at least one other striker who will be of the quality needed at this level.
Chef is a gamble, may pay off, may not.

 

[sitwell]

So you just choose to ignore where he says, the first of his two seasons with us, in championship he was shit.

Moron!

Ha ha brilliant ,now get your homework done ,Devante Cole ,quality

 

[sitwell]

Do you really think so?
I think it hit the mark on a couple of areas.
Which signing so far has improved us significantly in any area apart from maybe depth of squad?
I'm hoping some of these lesser lights have done exactly that but you can't know that with any certainty right now.
Personally I thought we needed strengthening in all positions, and significantly in defence and up front. I've not seen anyone coming in who makes me sure we've hugely stepped forward in either position.
Evans can only have been seen as a shot for nothing, or a small gamble worth taking, but if he doesn't end up playing any major part this season, it's a viable point.

The OP was a bit knee jerk given where we are in the season but I don't think the post you quoted was at all ridiculous and without a few points worthy of debate.

How can you judge after 2 pre season friendlies ? A bit knee jerk ,bloody ridiculous more like.

 

[GrayBlade]

Not a thing all, just don't get morons who live in the past. Saying oh he has a great season, so what he's injury prone give him a chance. No one even realise he's never done it in championship before. Ok let's give him a chance because he's showed promise before. Ok then let's get James Wallace and florent cuvelier i mean at time they looked a class above. And sure there injury probe, but hey that doesn't matter because I live in the past like everyone else.

None of us know for sure how Evans's career would have panned out, after that season, but he was still young enough to kick on. As others have pointed out, he did under 1 in 3 in the Championship with Norwich when he was only 19, and we've also got to factor in the Adams factor when the whole team looked like a back of shite, even the decent players.

I totally agree about Wallace and Cuvelier. They had their chances and every time they played (and looked good) they ultimately broke down, but we've not played a single competitive game as a team yet, let alone Evans, so he's not even been given the chance to fail before you seem to be writing him off.

I don't know how he'll pan out but then again neither do you for sure. It's supposition and theory, but the way I see it he at least deserves the chance to prove himself again, and we'll not know if the gamble worked until the season gets underway. That's not me living in the past or being an Evans groupie, it's just being sensible and not overreacting based on him missing just 2 friendly games (IMO).

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

How can you judge after 2 pre season friendlies ? A bit knee jerk ,bloody ridiculous more like.

You not engaging on the other points Sitters?
Which new signing so far has made you think we've really strengthened in a particular area?
I'm not trolling here, genuinely interested.

 

[sitwell]

You not engaging on the other points Sitters?
Which new signing so far has made you think we've really strengthened in a particular area?
I'm not trolling here, genuinely interested.

All the signing have improved and strengthened us ,football is a squad game ,and the sum of our squad has strengthened what is already a very good squad. You cant pick a first 11 anymore ,football has evolved and doesn't work like that anymore so the Stearman signing and Evans signing have significantly strengthened our attack and defence as we have more very capable players of forming our squad. we do need another keeper in to cover for Moore but who says the squad we already have wont be strong enough for the division ? Are you advocating splashing 10 mill and breaking the wage structure like Jordan Rhodes and then find you have disharmony, jealousy and a wank player ?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

All the signing have improved and strengthened us ,football is a squad game ,and the sum of our squad has strengthened what is already a very good squad. You cant pick a first 11 anymore ,football has evolved and doesn't work like that anymore so the Stearman signing and Evans signing have significantly strengthened our attack and defence as we have more very capable players of forming our squad. we do need another keeper in to cover for Moore but who says the squad we already have wont be strong enough for the division ? Are you advocating splashing 10 mill and breaking the wage structure like Jordan Rhodes and then find you have disharmony, jealousy and a wank player ?

Cheers for the reply. I'd agree we've more depth, but I'm concerned we do not more quality. Our squad probably is interchangeable but you do want some quality additions who improve the first team.
I'd disagree that Evans has improved our forward line but I think that's been done to death; even if I accepted that point we're short of quality upfront, and in defence. Our defence wasn't hugely impressive last year, sure it did a job at league one level but it wasn't a clear level above to my mind.
Personally the same defence as last year would be opened up too easily in the Championship. I also thought we could have scored significantly more goals but we were often wasteful in good positions and I can't see us creating the same number of chances in this league and I think we need to be more clinical to finish top half and stay out of trouble.

I'm not advocating big money buys or splashing £10 million, which we don't have, on a champagne signing like Rhodes which can turn to be corked, although I do think he'll find his way this season. I also fully agree with the team spirit which is the one huge positive we have over most of the league we're in. I think we're a very well bonded unit collectively and yes, players have to be brought in without damaging that. What I would like is a couple of signings who are proven at this level to go with those that we all hope can step up and deliver at a much higher level, Ched included.

 

[PeteBlade]

You're a cretin. Sorry to tell you, but you are.

To come on here and start raising questions and criticising the signing of a player, who is working his way back to fitness after 5 years of being banged up for something he was cleared of being guilty of, and saying we could have spent the money better - and we've not even finished pre-season yet! FFS!

You say we could have got a younger striker for less money than we paid for Ched. So please tell us, how much did we pay for Ched? And then tell us the name of the younger striker who would have cost less and why he'd be better?

And then tell us how you know that Ched won't be a success next season?

The facts are, Ched cost us bugger all. He's been good enough in the past to play at European and National level and he was sensational in his last season for us. If that isn't worth a punt for a club who are trying to compete at a higher level on less money than most of the competitors at this level then I don't know what is.

If he's "still working his way back to fitness after being locked up" then what the actual fuck was he doing whilst at Oldham and Chesterfield?

 

[I should coco]

If he's "still working his way back to fitness after being locked up" then what the actual fuck was he doing whilst at Oldham and Chesterfield?

Don't let an agenda get in the way of the facts. He never played for Oldham.

He was not fit enough for a full season at Chessie as evidenced by the various injuries. Thee weren't helped by them being skint and so hardly affording him Rolls Royce medical treatment.

He is still working his way back after missing so many years. He may never be the same player again, but many of us believe that with careful management he can play a very useful part.

Others have already written him off without seeing him kick a ball. It's easy to 'know' stuff on this internet and real hard evidence is just soooooo dull, innit?

 

[PeteBlade]

Don't let an agenda get in the way of the facts. He never played for Oldham.

He was not fit enough for a full season at Chessie as evidenced by the various injuries. Thee weren't helped by them being skint and so hardly affording him Rolls Royce medical treatment.

He is still working his way back after missing so many years. He may never be the same player again, but many of us believe that with careful management he can play a very useful part.

Others have already written him off without seeing him kick a ball. It's easy to 'know' stuff on this internet and real hard evidence is just soooooo dull, innit?

Yeah, had forgotten he didn't actually go to Oldham, my mistake.

However, what you offer isn't "real hard evidence" just wishful thinking.

 

[I should coco]

However, what you offer isn't "real hard evidence" just wishful thinking

Agreed, but I don't see where the evidence that he can't do it, is either.

He needs time and that is one of the disadvantages of him coming back to us. The expectation will make people impatient and he will always be compared to 2011/12.

I believe he has the ability and the desire, but whether his body will be up to it will only become apparent over the coming months.

 

[BushBlade]

Cheers for the reply. I'd agree we've more depth, but I'm concerned we do not more quality. Our squad probably is interchangeable but you do want some quality additions who improve the first team.
I'd disagree that Evans has improved our forward line but I think that's been done to death; even if I accepted that point we're short of quality upfront, and in defence. Our defence wasn't hugely impressive last year, sure it did a job at league one level but it wasn't a clear level above to my mind.
Personally the same defence as last year would be opened up too easily in the Championship. I also thought we could have scored significantly more goals but we were often wasteful in good positions and I can't see us creating the same number of chances in this league and I think we need to be more clinical to finish top half and stay out of trouble.

I'm not advocating big money buys or splashing £10 million, which we don't have, on a champagne signing like Rhodes which can turn to be corked, although I do think he'll find his way this season. I also fully agree with the team spirit which is the one huge positive we have over most of the league we're in. I think we're a very well bonded unit collectively and yes, players have to be brought in without damaging that. What I would like is a couple of signings who are proven at this level to go with those that we all hope can step up and deliver at a much higher level, Ched included.

It's a balancing act though. We have great team spirit and that is very important in a tight league where any and every advantage counts. So CW has to give the majority of our first team players the opportunity to step up. Some will surprise us, others may disappoint.

It's difficult to attract really good players to a team that's just been promoted. We're signing players who are likely to be here for two or three seasons, we don't want too many average championship players eating up our wage bill. Assuming we stay up, we can probably attract better players for not a lot more money next season, when we're more established.

The players we've brought in, in the main, are at an age where they can improve and develop as players and will accept limited game time whilst they are adapting. If the likes of Fleck play as well as we expect then to, we could lose a couple at the end of the season. We may have ready made replacements at the club if the new signings are able to step up.

There's no set way of doing it and our approach is limited by our budget but I think CW is trying to build, with an eye on the future.

 

[Ted Danson]

And there's plenty of kids we could have got, we could have easily got devante Cole whose only in hit early 20,s. And he would have been less of a risk, you can train up a young lad. But everyone saying on here, wilder turns players around, fair enough if he does but we will get one season out of Evans

So Devante Cole could be trained into a good player as hes young but 21 year old Ched was shit and always will be?

 

[DronnieBlade]

A waste of £250k ?????

In the current malaise of inflated fees, the club are correct to take that chance.

Time will well.

UTB

 

[I should coco]

Time will well.

Too much wellness?

I never had you down as the New Age type.

 

[Matthew the blade]

So Devante Cole could be trained into a good player as hes young but 21 year old Ched was shit and always will be?

No ched Evans is 29, in a couple of months, and is injury probs as fuck, and missed 4 years of football, coz he couldn't be faithful to his partner.
He still could be good but we signed him based on one season . We might as well sign eoin Doyle and josh Morris whilst we're at it

 

[Ted Danson]

No ched Evans is 29, in a couple of months, and is injury probs as fuck, and missed 4 years of football, coz he couldn't be faithful to his partner.
He still could be good but we signed him based on one season . We might as well sign eoin Doyle and josh Morris whilst we're at it

but you said he was shit at this level based on his one season when he was 21, so youd have to say the same about Devante Cole to be consistent.

Either way the money we've paid for ched is peanuts and as a gamble goes its a fantastic gamble, theres huge value in it with pretty much no risk. An absolute no brainer as they say

 

[Sheffsteel]

Doyle and josh Morris whilst we're at it

Doyle and Morris have never been anywhere near as good as what Ched was in 2012.
Also they'd probably cost more and want more money.

The bottom line is Ched could be a great signing but is more likely to be a mediocre signing
But the beauty about the deal is it's weighted in the clubs favour.
If Ched struggles (like he might) then he won't have cost much, so we've not lost much.
We also aren't pinning our hopes on him.
If he does well then it will be a bonus, so logically it's a risk worth taking, a no brainer really.

Personally I think he'll have a season similar to Leon Clarke last season.
1st half he'll show signs of quality, have the odd good game but generally not be quite up to speed, have niggling injuries and be disappointing, however 2nd half I expect him to improve and be half decent, score a few but don't think he'll be anywhere near as good as he was in 2012.

The exciting thing is no one knows what's going to happen.
We have a few players (including Ched) with high potential, they could sink or swim.

 

[Matthew the blade]

but you said he was shit at this level based on his one season when he was 21, so youd have to say the same about Devante Cole to be consistent.

Either way the money we've paid for ched is peanuts and as a gamble goes its a fantastic gamble, theres huge value in it with pretty much no risk. An absolute no brainer as they say

But devante hasn't missed 5 years of a career. Meaning he will have chance to improve where as ched isn't to improve, his main aim is to recapture his ability, not improve on it

 

[United Aren't Back.]

I don't think anyone performed for Cackwell, or his replacement Micky.

Including king Billy.

 

[steve26272]

The thing is, we're going into a tough division where teams are splurging £17million on quality.

I don't feel like we've got the breathing space to 'give someone a break' and wait till October/November.

£17mil on quality - that's exactly why we did buy Ched. We cannot even afford £5mil on 1 player, but if Evans hits form, he would become our £5m player. If not we've spent a couple of hundred grand on a bang average player, who we could get our money back from a league 1 club like Fleetwood or someone. and remember that initial fee against the season budget of SUFC is like you taking a couple of quid tonight and having a punt on the lottery