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Ukkonen said:
Doesnt matter the manager, we'll keep getting the same result.

Sack wilder, sack the next manager, then the next one and the next one, do it 5 times in one season, you'll get the same result with the same players.

You have to be realistic with team we have and the start of the season that had to be endured.

We will have to sell next season due to no parachute payments, the standard of player will be less, a new manager less to work with, and probably the same league position as this season - brace yourselves.
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I don't feel quite as negatively as this, but I share your assessment of the situation: "you'll get the same result with the same [or at least, similar quality] players."

And that's why I don't really understand the negativity towards Wilder right now. The premature end of our season in March is self-induced situation, as it was in the Prem under Hecky. The identity of the manager doesn't have an HUGE influence on our league position - what matters is how we've lost a quality advantage (players) and a financial advantage (parachute payments) because consecutive owners have no clue.

Wilder has more of a clue and owners (Prince and COH) have given him the reins; hence why he does better and why we need him. This has been the enduring motif of Sheffield United in the 21st century: clueless people running the club and eventually getting lucky with Warnock, Wilder and Heckingbottom. Managers are only temporary solutions; it's the decision-making spiral I'm sick of, and I don't understand why people are obsessing over dropping points from winning positions when we're just going through the old same cycle.
 
Houston_Blade said:
As soon as it goes to 1-1 there was only one outcome.

You could see what was happening and then the subs due to the lack of fitness confirm the result.
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*As soon as we get to 60 minutes only 1-0 up.

Fans that understand the basics of sports science have won a lot of in play money on United this season.Throwing a bomb here, but I actually credit the players for holding on to so many results this season. We've overachieved in that respect imo. Any game we aren't at least 2-0 up in going into the second half and achieve a result from I class as a big achievement.
 
Steve Mackan said:
I don't feel quite as negatively as this, but I share your assessment of the situation: "you'll get the same result with the same [or at least, similar quality] players."

And that's why I don't really understand the negativity towards Wilder right now. The premature end of our season in March is self-induced situation, as it was in the Prem under Hecky. The identity of the manager doesn't have an HUGE influence on our league position - what matters is how we've lost a quality advantage (players) and a financial advantage (parachute payments) because consecutive owners have no clue.

Wilder has more of a clue and owners (Prince and COH) have given him the reins; hence why he does better and why we need him. This has been the enduring motif of Sheffield United in the 21st century: clueless people running the club and eventually getting lucky with Warnock, Wilder and Heckingbottom. Managers are only temporary solutions; it's the decision-making spiral I'm sick of, and I don't understand why people are obsessing over dropping points from winning positions when we're just going through the old same cycle.
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Yep, the waste of money will have us hamstrung for years. Matos, Mcguinness, Chong, Tanganga on big fees and big wages that need paying. We'd struggle to give them away bar Tang who might recoup a couple of million
To add to that Cannon and the surgeries required by Arblaster and Cooper that might see them never return to previous levels (jury out on both for me) .On a brighter note fitness should improve and we might get the old Campbell back. He'll struggle to be as bad as this season. We'll also get rid of a few crocks.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Yep, the waste of money will have us hamstrung for years. Matos, Mcguinness, Chong, Tanganga on big fees and big wages that need paying. We'd struggle to give them away bar Tang who might recoup a couple of million
To add to that Cannon and the surgeries required by Arblaster and Cooper that might see them never return to previous levels (jury out on both for me) .On a brighter note fitness should improve and we might get the old Campbell back. He'll struggle to be as bad as this season. We'll also get rid of a few crocks.
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24th May, 2025 - 76 mins into that Play Off Final will go down as the biggest 'sliding doors' moment in modern history for this club. 15 mins from £200 million in the Premier League and we blew it. The subsequent decision making by COH simply made that moment far worse - not necessarily to get rid of Chris Wilder - but more so to appoint Selles without any idea / plan how to structure the club going forward. That equalled a shambolic pre-season / chaotic and largely appalling transfer window and consequently wasted our last £30 million parachute money.

Spring forward to now... having not surprisingly failed to go up this season - we can't just sack Wilder unless someone at COH has a proper plan / structure and transfer policy who knows what they are doing. Right now - frankly - I don't think they have a clue. So for that reason I'd much rather stick with Wilder for 1 more season - even if that means another season of mid-table mediocrity......... (I can still see COH bailing out at some point in the next 18 months anyway - a failed investment by a group of investors that did not work out!).
 
nopigfansintown said:
*As soon as we get to 60 minutes only 1-0 up.

Fans that understand the basics of sports science have won a lot of in play money on United this season.Throwing a bomb here, but I actually credit the players for holding on to so many results this season. We've overachieved in that respect imo. Any game we aren't at least 2-0 up in going into the second half and achieve a result from I class as a big achievement.
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When the option is ‘score 3 or don’t win’ we’re a bit reliant on good finishing. We had a purple patch but now seem to be profligate again.
 
Slim Man said:
What's that?

You're going to tell me to not bother going.

My comment would be why not demand better? Why be content with us being losers?
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We can all demand better. Doesn't mean we'll get it.
Historically we Blades rarely get what we want. I'm not content to be a loser either. 15 wins and 5 draws suggests we aren't always losers.
With the start we got under Selles meant this season was never going to be pleasant. Wilder came back and steadied the ship. It's not gone the way any of us wanted. But I can understand CO H not wanting to gamble on January with big spending.
All we can do is wait and see what happens over the summer.
I'm not expecting great things tbh but you never know.

Feel free to moan. You have that right.
 
Steve Mackan said:
And that's why I don't really understand the negativity towards Wilder right now. .
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Because we’re in the unique situation of all the failing elements of the club being linked directly to Wilder. If he was just a Head Coach I’d agree that some of the criticism is over the top, but Wilder brought in the CEO. the recruitment team, data team, coaching team, medical staff etc… so he has to carry the can when these parts of the club are massively underperforming.

This is why modern clubs split up the running of these different departments to allow the manager to focus on the important task of managing the first team. Little ol United can’t have any of that modem fancy Dan crap though can we.
 
KMC-1889 said:
Because we’re in the unique situation of all the failing elements of the club being linked directly to Wilder. If he was just a Head Coach I’d agree that some of the criticism is over the top, but Wilder brought in the CEO. the recruitment team, data team, coaching team, medical staff etc… so he has to carry the can when these parts of the club are massively underperforming.

This is why modern clubs split up the running of these different departments to allow the manager to focus on the important task of managing the first team. Little ol United can’t have any of that modem fancy Dan crap though can we.
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He didn’t bring in the CEO or the medical staff.
 
Nick Jansky said:
He didn’t bring in the CEO or the medical staff.
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Several interviews with the Prince where he mentions Chris would only join if Bettis came in.

Medical team was changed after the ‘long investigation’ into why we had so many injuries, there were loads of open positions on recruitment boards.
 
KMC-1889 said:
Because we’re in the unique situation of all the failing elements of the club being linked directly to Wilder. If he was just a Head Coach I’d agree that some of the criticism is over the top, but Wilder brought in the CEO. the recruitment team, data team, coaching team, medical staff etc… so he has to carry the can when these parts of the club are massively underperforming.

This is why modern clubs split up the running of these different departments to allow the manager to focus on the important task of managing the first team. Little ol United can’t have any of that modem fancy Dan crap though can we.
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I don't think it's good or sustainable to rely on one guy.

I also think that one guy is better at running football clubs than our last 3 owners.
 
The current owners have to do what the owners and directors of the past have not done: provide the funds needed to secure auto promotion next season and stay in the Premier League. The board or owners of other clubs, like Brentford, Brighton, and Bournemouth, have done it; we have to follow these clubs' example.
Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth were in the old fourth division. Look at them now. Even Man City were struggling in Division Three until they got backing from overseas owners.That is the only way we can do it.
 



Working Class Hero said:
The mentality of the squad, and the complete lack of being able to hold on to a lead, can't solely be down to Wilder can it? Those are things his teams have excelled at throughout his time here, and both of those characteristics were exceptional as recently as last season.

We also seem to have managed to sign not only shit players, but ones that don't have that mentality/personality either. Even Tanganga, who most would say was our only decent signing in the summer, seems to lack in that area.
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I think last season isn't the best support for your argument. After 39 games we were top of the league. When the pressure was on, we lost 4 of the last 7 games and finished 10 points behind the top 2. Just think, we lost 6 of the first 39 and then 4 of the last 7.

In our best season in the top flight for almost ever, 2019/20, we were 7th after 35 games and lost the last 3.

Wilder really believes he is invincible, and when his teams believe him we are - 2016/17and 100 points. But when things go wrong, and the emperor seems to be without attire, his teams lose belief, fear losing and then inevitably lose. We lost on Saturday because Wilder plays a brilliant LWB at LB, where he is woefully weak defensively and, as always, substitutes Jairo, just when we need his calm control on the pitch. Wilder is a great leader of men - but he needs somebody he trusts above him, or indeed below him, who tells him when he's wrong.

Panic is not a good Plan B,

UTB & FTP!
 
GymClassHero said:
He'll be firing on both cylinders once he's a had a full Wilder pre season... 🤣🤣🤣

£10m down the drain.

Until now I haven't actually considered the amount of money wasted in total. Brewster, McBurnie, that's the best part of £40m and there's no return on investment for either. It's bloody shambolic and negligent is what it is.

The copious amounts of PL money (promotion, parachute payments etc) that has been spunked is absolutely criminal. We should be a stable PL team like the 3 B's (brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth). Instead we are have just been haemorrhaging money for best part of a decade
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Negligent is what it is, so it is.
 
Not sure I can buy into this theory that we go again next season, considering:

1) We’ll almost certainly have CW in charge who’s record with signings / tactics isn’t optimistic recently.

2) We’re stuck with signings that aren’t very good, meaning our core will be average.

3) Back end infrastructure seemingly needs work, so it could be argued we need to stabilise that also to push on.

4) There’ll be three unknown play styles (in championship context) coming from L1. Birmingham, Wrexham and Charlton have all shown this season that these aren’t the gimmes they used to be.

5) There’s almost certainly going to be at least one established prem team coming down, Spurs or West Ham. Even shedding players they’re top end at worst.

6) Burnley and Wolves also coming, both again likely to be top end.

7) One of Boro, Ipswich, Hull, Millwall etc won’t get promoted, meaning play off quality likely to go again.

8) There’s likely to be no Wednesday style team guaranteed to gift every team points due to off field issues.

9) Hamer likely to go, and even though inconsistent he can change games. Possibly the likes of Peck / Seriki also out, who are getting better with experience.

10) We’ll be left with players with no value or no one wants to spend on. Chong, Ogbene etc

Next season will arguably be significantly harder than this one, and we don’t seem to have the plans for growth in place, outside of allowing CW complete freedom to execute his plan of “pass it to someone good and hope”.

We’re in a for a long slog lads, unless we ignore recent evidence and blindly pray for attitudinal and functional change across the board.
 
Although there are 8 spots to aim for next season, we could be far weaker I reckon. Maybe not all, but most of Peck, Seriki, Brooks and Hamer could all leave in the summer - that will make us significantly weaker. Will we re-invest heavily? not so sure on that with us having no more parachute payments.

Prem teams coming down should all easily end up in the play offs and maybe dominate the autos.

I've a horrible feeling that it's going to be even tougher next season and we could end up being a medicore Champ side instead of a yoyo Prem-Champ side.

Interesteing (or not) time ahead

UTMB
 
Im not arsed if Seriki goes, i dont think he will, because he's only had a decent half a season.
Brooks will go, so will Hamer and hopefully Peck. But Oli has a lot of work to do to get back to those levels pre injury.
 
ckpe147 said:
I dont even know how I feel about this team.
There is nothing about this squad of players, or management that gives me any hope towards the next season.
I actually enjoyed football under Selles more than I do now, yes we lost all 6, but that first half against Bristol City, the display at home against Millwall, we actually looked like we could play.
The players we brought in last summer, Tanganga, christ he is poor. Bindon, poor. The amount of red cards, yet, Wilder will always get a free pass, cause he's one of us.
Nothing more to say, roll on the summer? For more injury prone loanees from the prem.
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You enjoyed the football under Selles? I can't take that comment seriously.
The only football I "enjoyed" under Selles was the first half vs Bristol City. We were passing it around quickly but also giving away possession.
Went in at half time 2-1 down. 2nd half was atrocious, we just opened up even more and in reality 4-1 could have been more.

The remainder of his games after we barely mustered more than one or two chances overall. Think Millwall 2nd half we put a bit of pressure on maybe.
It was beyond dreadful.
 
UddersBlade said:
24th May, 2025 - 76 mins into that Play Off Final will go down as the biggest 'sliding doors' moment in modern history for this club.
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The 10 mins directly before that go down as a demonstration of "what can go wrong will go wrong"

65 mins - O'Hare and Brooks on for Brewster and Campbell
69 mins - Brooks misses that chance
70 mins - Hamer injures himself - had this happened 5 mins earlier we wouldn`t have had to reorg a second time in 7 mins
72 mins - BBD on for Hamer - in hindsight this was the wrong sub and we probably should have put Cannon on and reverted to our prior formation (with COH playing in the Hamer role and cannon in the Campbell role)
76 mins - they walk through a static midfield and equalise

In reality we probably should have pulled Peck - who was blowing out his arse - and thrown Davies on - in fact when Hamer went off thats an alternative - we needed legs in midfield and didn`t have any.


And don`t get me started on the sequence of events around their winner when we had a player off the pitch for a concussion check...
 
djbaldken said:
He didn't miss the sitter from three yards out either yesterday
Nor did he miss control and blast wide when in a goal scoring position.
Nor did he fail to mark his man on both their goals.

But some on here will blame him for that.
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That was Saturday what about all the previous misses and dereliction of duty defending we have been served up this season. He picks them. Can anyone answer this.. when was Wilders last successful substitution one that turned a game in our favour. Week in week out we know whats coming 70 min onwards teams are knackered and subs never make a positive impact.. this is on Wilder for me. Already started with wait till next season .. same rubbish guarenteed rinse and repeat.
 
Not sure how Curtis will step-up next season but from RB/CB he has scored 2 in 8 games, granted it's League 2 but even so he should be involved pre-season at least to see where he is at. There are a few others which is probably are starting to reach the its now or never phase from the U21s and hopefully we can shape the side around a few of those. If we have to move on Hamer or Peck it would be good to reinvest the money in the Dore project as although that is supposed to be for the Premier League we may as well sell the land now and buy someone else with the proceeds as we aren't getting there anytime soon with this current squad. It needs time to find it's fight and identity again.
 
ckpe147 said:
I dont even know how I feel about this team.
There is nothing about this squad of players, or management that gives me any hope towards the next season.
I actually enjoyed football under Selles more than I do now, yes we lost all 6, but that first half against Bristol City, the display at home against Millwall, we actually looked like we could play.
The players we brought in last summer, Tanganga, christ he is poor. Bindon, poor. The amount of red cards, yet, Wilder will always get a free pass, cause he's one of us.
Nothing more to say, roll on the summer? For more injury prone loanees from the prem.
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Are you serious ! it was dire! We got worse every match culminating in the 5-0 at Ipswich. He maybe a good coach if he sticks to that ! his man management was shocking..He lost the players when he lectured them in plain site of the fans.
 
KMC-1889 said:
Because we’re in the unique situation of all the failing elements of the club being linked directly to Wilder. If he was just a Head Coach I’d agree that some of the criticism is over the top, but Wilder brought in the CEO. the recruitment team, data team, coaching team, medical staff etc… so he has to carry the can when these parts of the club are massively underperforming.

This is why modern clubs split up the running of these different departments to allow the manager to focus on the important task of managing the first team. Little ol United can’t have any of that modem fancy Dan crap though can we.
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Like Watford?
That sort of split management ?

Honestly don’t know what people smoke before they post such utter nonsense 🤷‍♂️
 
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