Outgoing? Hamer

[Nick Jansky]

This is one of the main reasons Wilder shouldn't have been sacked

There were a lot more reasons he should have been.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Gilchrist, Clarke, Rak-Sakyi, Diaz, Choudhury, Holding, Souza & so far we’ve brought two players in. One of which we’re not (as fans) sure if he’s a development player or going straight in.

I think we had an expensive & big squad the second part of last season. But surely we can’t lost 7 players and bring 1 in?

Realistically, we’ve lost 5. Clarke & Holding gave us next to nothing. And we would have managed perfectly well without BBD.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

I’d be surprised if there was anyone in the side that covered more ground than Hamer did last season. Genuinely stunned to see some calling him out as lazy?! Played out of position all season & comfortably our best player - we will be a significantly worse team without him in it.

 

[BrisBlade]

Realistically, we’ve lost 5. Clarke & Holding gave us next to nothing. And we would have managed perfectly well without BBD.

I agree with this and would go further. Regardless of who left at the end of the season, if we keep everyone else, my shopping list would be: 1xCB, 1xRB, 1xCM, 2xWing. All these could conceivably be loans as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Balham]

I do wonder what the plan is, we’ve lost -

Gilchrist, Clarke, Rak-Sakyi, Diaz, Choudhury, Holding, Souza & so far we’ve brought two players in. One of which we’re not (as fans) sure if he’s a development player or going straight in.

I think we had an expensive & big squad the second part of last season. But surely we can’t lost 7 players and bring 1 in?

We’ve got one right back who can barely play 2 90minutes in a row. If Hamer is now a central midfielder I’m not sure who plays on the left?

It’s too early to panic & I’m sure there’s a plan in place but even though we’ve got a better squad than we did this time last season, we’re still light.

We've lost three right backs (I know Choudhury prefers central midfield but he mostly played right back for us), two wingers, a backup centre half and a central midfielder.

We've brought in a starting centre half and a right winger. That would suggest that our incomings only need to cover the central midfield role and a right back for the squad to be back to where it was at the end of last season. Sellés also has an excellent track record of successfully integrating academy players so I think it's notable that he took Hampson (AM/winger), Sasnauskas (centre back) and others to Girona.

 

[Bell4]

I do wonder what the plan is, we’ve lost -

Gilchrist, Clarke, Rak-Sakyi, Diaz, Choudhury, Holding, Souza & so far we’ve brought two players in. One of which we’re not (as fans) sure if he’s a development player or going straight in.

I think we had an expensive & big squad the second part of last season. But surely we can’t lost 7 players and bring 1 in?

We’ve got one right back who can barely play 2 90minutes in a row. If Hamer is now a central midfielder I’m not sure who plays on the left?

It’s too early to panic & I’m sure there’s a plan in place but even though we’ve got a better squad than we did this time last season, we’re still light.

Sure

But how can a new manager bring in someone immediately until he’s had time to asses the gaps and additions of his new squad

Everyone calm down FFS

 

[Bell4]

I’d be surprised if there was anyone in the side that covered more ground than Hamer did last season. Genuinely stunned to see some calling him out as lazy?! Played out of position all season & comfortably our best player - we will be a significantly worse team without him in it.

Agee

Championship player of the season - but we will find ways of pulling him apart

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Sure

But how can a new manager bring in someone immediately until he’s had time to asses the gaps and additions of his new squad

Everyone calm down FFS

Agreed, we all get impatient this time of the season wanting to see how team push the boat out.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Agee

Championship player of the season - but we will find ways of pulling him apart

It's not really "pulling him apart," more a commentary on why he hasn't had (and doesn't look destined to have) a career at PL level.

He's fantastic to watch, but it's fair to say he lacks the physical attributes to transition to elite level football.

As for the PoTY award, pretty nuts it didn't go to someone from Leeds or Burnley given their points haul.
There were much better than Hamer in the league last season.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

It's not really "pulling him apart," more a commentary on why he hasn't had (and doesn't look destined to have) a career at PL level.

He's fantastic to watch, but it's fair to say he lacks the physical attributes to transition to elite level football.

As for the PoTY award, pretty nuts it didn't go to someone from Leeds or Burnley given their points haul.
There were much better than Hamer in the league last season.

I think labelling his physical attributes as lacking is being unfair to be honest - it’s arguably one of his strongest attributes. We ended up putting ourselves in a situation where our most creative player was expected to do all the leg work of a winger, in a side that played a physically demanding style of football. He was still our best player and one that IMO can comfortably transition to premier league football.

Every player in the side was fucked after 70 minutes in almost every game last season. That’s either down to overall fitness levels at the club, none of our players being particularly athletic or our playing style tiring ourselves out. Personally, I’m leaning towards the latter.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I think labelling his physical attributes as lacking is being unfair to be honest - it’s arguably one of his strongest attributes. We ended up putting ourselves in a situation where our most creative player was expected to do all the leg work of a winger, in a side that played a physically demanding style of football. He was still our best player and one that IMO can comfortably transition to premier league football.

Every player in the side was fucked after 70 minutes in almost every game last season. That’s either down to overall fitness levels at the club, none of our players being particularly athletic or our playing style tiring ourselves out. Personally, I’m leaning towards the latter.

It's not unfair to say he lacks the physical attributes, you said yourself he was fucked after 70 along with the rest of our players.

That isn't elite level stuff.

There's been numerous witness accounts of him out on the piss, eating kebabs etc. around Sheffield & Coventry and you can see he's carrying more weight now than historically.

He's stocky and robust, but he lacks stamina.
Honestly, if he didn't, he wouldn't still be here.

 

[Bell4]

It's not really "pulling him apart," more a commentary on why he hasn't had (and doesn't look destined to have) a career at PL level.

He's fantastic to watch, but it's fair to say he lacks the physical attributes to transition to elite level football.

As for the PoTY award, pretty nuts it didn't go to someone from Leeds or Burnley given their points haul.
There were much better than Hamer in the league last season.

Not according to the judges -

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

It's not unfair to say he lacks the physical attributes, you said yourself he was fucked after 70 along with the rest of our players.

That isn't elite level stuff.

There's been numerous witness accounts of him out on the piss, eating kebabs etc. around Sheffield & Coventry and you can see he's carrying more weight now than historically.

He's stocky and robust, but he lacks stamina.
Honestly, if he didn't, he wouldn't still be here.

This is my point though. Last season we played a style where we chased shadows for long periods, didn’t look after the ball particularly well and expected every player to put in more yardage than was needed.

To get the absolute best out of your creative players, you want them doing creative things - not chasing the ball about. Tired players make mistakes and don’t perform. Despite his personal habits, he was still comfortably our best player and at least on par with the rest of the squad in terms of fitness levels / stamina. For me, that’s quite the indicator that saying his physicality is lacking, is somewhat unfair.

 

[ancientblade]

still think we would have finished top 2 if wilder had used him better

 

[Pandev]

I can see Forest replacing Elanga and MGW with Hamer and McAtee. That would hurt.

 

[Torrix1889]

still think we would have finished top 2 if wilder had used him better

And dropped Robinson for the much better Holding...

 

[Upton_Blade]

Sure

But how can a new manager bring in someone immediately until he’s had time to asses the gaps and additions of his new squad

Everyone calm down FFS

That's where you benefit from having an extremely competent Director of Football/Sporting Director in place.

 

[ancientblade]

And dropped Robinson for the much better Holding...

absolutely but dont get me started on that one still fuming about robinsons total lack of interest in getting anywhere near or putting any sort of tackle in on mayender

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Apart from Ndiaye. That was a joke

The joke was naivety in not tying him to a longer contract sooner. This was perhaps impacted when we had an embargo placed on us in January of the promotion season.

We got the best price we could given the contract situation and what division we were in.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Technical ability he’s a PL player - I’d question whether his physique, fitness & tendency to give possession away are the reasons no PL side have had serious interest in him.

I disagree that he gives the ball away. Hamer tries passes to play people in but they went astray as no one was making the runs to get on the end of them because we were a static team under Wilder.

Stand still in space, receive the ball, wait for someone to run into space and for them to stand still then pass to them. Subbuteo football. If there is no one then turn and pass backwards and wait for the crowd to clap because we've kept possession.

Campbell's goal last night was the epitome of what we rarely did under Wilder. O'Hare drove with the ball with runners either side of him. The result was that he drew a defender towards him creating space for Cannon and Campbell. Easy goal. This is where Hamer will thrive in a central role as he tried doing this last season but never had runners alongside him or someone making a run ahead of him to pass to. His "poor passing" was more poor off ball movement from team mates. You could see what he was trying to do.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

- - - - - Barry - - - - Campbell- - - [NEW] - - - - - - -
- - - - Cannon - - - - -Moore - - - Brooks- - - - - - -


- - - - - - - Hamer - - Arblaster - - O'Hare - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -Davies- - - Peck - - - - [NEW] - - - - - -


Burrows - - - - -Anel - - - - - Bindon - - - - - [NEED]
McAllum - - - Robinson - - - [NEED] - - - - - Seriki

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Cooper- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Davies- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Youngsters to supplement; One, Marsh

In my opinion - we look lightweight in midfield, we need some extra physicality. Even more so if Peck goes as per Cappy reports. We need another wide player for competition - i think this needs to be a stellar signing late in the window that gets everyone excited.

I think we are 2 big signings away from being in a really good position.

Have we been linked with any centre mids recently?

 

[Yogi]

- - - - - Barry - - - - Campbell- - - [NEW] - - - - - - -
- - - - Cannon - - - - -Moore - - - Brooks- - - - - - -


- - - - - - - Hamer - - Arblaster - - O'Hare - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -Davies- - - Peck - - - - [NEW] - - - - - -


Burrows - - - - -Anel - - - - - Bindon - - - - - [NEED]
McAllum - - - Robinson - - - [NEED] - - - - - Seriki

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Cooper- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Davies- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Youngsters to supplement; One, Marsh

In my opinion - we look lightweight in midfield, we need some extra physicality. Even more so if Peck goes as per Cappy reports. We need another wide player for competition - i think this needs to be a stellar signing late in the window that gets everyone excited.

I think we are 2 big signings away from being in a really good position.

Have we been linked with any centre mids recently?

Burger from Stoke and Devine from Spurs early in the window are the midfield links so far. Burger would definitely be a CM and add height and physicality Devine is more an attacking mid and I wonder if he does come in if we might see him more as one of the wide forwards than a CM.

 

[Gin&Juice]

- - - - - Barry - - - - Campbell- - - [NEW] - - - - - - -
- - - - Cannon - - - - -Moore - - - Brooks- - - - - - -


- - - - - - - Hamer - - Arblaster - - O'Hare - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -Davies- - - Peck - - - - [NEW] - - - - - -


Burrows - - - - -Anel - - - - - Bindon - - - - - [NEED]
McAllum - - - Robinson - - - [NEED] - - - - - Seriki

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Cooper- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Davies- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Youngsters to supplement; One, Marsh

In my opinion - we look lightweight in midfield, we need some extra physicality. Even more so if Peck goes as per Cappy reports. We need another wide player for competition - i think this needs to be a stellar signing late in the window that gets everyone excited.

I think we are 2 big signings away from being in a really good position.

Have we been linked with any centre mids recently?

Linked with a lad in Hungary who plays CM. Think it was looking nailed on a few weeks ago but gone quiet.

Murmurs of Woutter Burger at Stoke as well.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Is there anything at all to suggest Anel and Bindon will be a suitable CB pairing?

Is that even the plan?

 

[Rodley]

Is there anything at all to suggest Anel and Bindon will be a suitable CB pairing?

Is that even the plan?

Think Bindon will need someone with some athleticism next to him, Anel provides that for me.

 

[SwissBlade]

Is there anything at all to suggest Anel and Bindon will be a suitable CB pairing?

Is that even the plan?

I’d heard that we were trying to sell Anel and Souza, but so far that sale of Anel hasn’t materialised and I’ve not followed rumours at all.

But on the basis of Anel staying, aren’t they both Right footed? And Bindon has not played above league one, if my understanding is correct.

Does Selles play a back 4 rather than a back 3? I presumed back 4.

And I Seem to have a recollection that Anel played on the left previously and looked exposed, so in that set up it would be Bindon on the left of the centre half pairing.

I don’t know much about Bindon, but is he a leader? Anel certainly isn’t and needs strong voices around him at times. I think we need much more than this at the back if people are intent on Selles dropping Robinson.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Think Bindon will need someone with some athleticism next to him, Anel provides that for me.

It seems to me that between them, they are too lightweight. And even if Bindon isn't lightweight, he's young, and surely no sort of leader at upper championship level

We still need to bring in a strong, dominant CB. No idea what the plan is though

I'm happy for Souza to be sold and replaced by a more progressive footballer but if he's not there we can't afford a soft centre at CB

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

I’d heard that we were trying to sell Anel and Souza, but so far that sale of Anel hasn’t materialised and I’ve not followed rumours at all.

But on the basis of Anel staying, aren’t they both Right footed? And Bindon has not played above league one, if my understanding is correct.

Does Selles play a back 4 rather than a back 3? I presumed back 4.

And I Seem to have a recollection that Anel played on the left previously and looked exposed, so in that set up it would be Bindon on the left of the centre half pairing.

I don’t know much about Bindon, but is he a leader? Anel certainly isn’t and needs strong voices around him at times. I think we need much more than this at the back if people are intent on Selles dropping Robinson.

I thought Anel looked good next to Souttar when he played on the left.

 

[Balham]

I’d heard that we were trying to sell Anel and Souza, but so far that sale of Anel hasn’t materialised and I’ve not followed rumours at all.

But on the basis of Anel staying, aren’t they both Right footed? And Bindon has not played above league one, if my understanding is correct.

Does Selles play a back 4 rather than a back 3? I presumed back 4.

And I Seem to have a recollection that Anel played on the left previously and looked exposed, so in that set up it would be Bindon on the left of the centre half pairing.

I don’t know much about Bindon, but is he a leader? Anel certainly isn’t and needs strong voices around him at times. I think we need much more than this at the back if people are intent on Selles dropping Robinson.

I’m pretty sure that Sellés talked about needing an RCB in his post-match interview. Ahmedhodžić is more than capable of playing on the left of a two, didn’t he do that when paired with Souttar?

Bindon is comfortable on either side but he probably needs to play alongside a quicker partner, be that Ahmedhodžić or someone else.

 

[SwissBlade]

I’m pretty sure that Sellés talked about needing an RCB in his post-match interview. Ahmedhodžić is more than capable of playing on the left of a two, didn’t he do that when paired with Souttar?

Bindon is comfortable on either side but he probably needs to play alongside a quicker partner, be that Ahmedhodžić or someone else.

I don’t think I liked Anel on the left, he leads with his right and don’t think it gives us the balance we need. I think unless we have that level headed leader like Souttar alongside him (and perhaps Bindon is that player) then I’d rather have Anel on the right.

So Bindon is slow?