Great win to keep the momentum going into Burnley

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According to heckys interview he didn't want to come off he wanted to stay on till the end
Given the new rules around subs (only 3 "occasions" that you can make subs etc) surely if a player is injured by a red-card "tackle" like last night, then an extra sub should be allowed? Otherwise you can basically get away with a red card foul and not be a man down.

If a player (god forbid) made a truly horrendous foul, that, for example, broke someone's leg, and the player was rightly sent off, surely the team on the receiving end should be allowed to bring on another sub, even if they've used all their "occasions" for subs?
 

Saturday's going to be fun for Hecky picking a side. Stevens, Doyle and McBurnie really need to be starting but not a full 90 minutes. The front attacking three is a concern. Sounded good news on Doyle last night though, he did travel if needed.

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That team is no worse than some of those that took 3 points when we were in the Premier League.
 
Given the new rules around subs (only 3 "occasions" that you can make subs etc) surely if a player is injured by a red-card "tackle" like last night, then an extra sub should be allowed? Otherwise you can basically get away with a red card foul and not be a man down.

If a player (god forbid) made a truly horrendous foul, that, for example, broke someone's leg, and the player was rightly sent off, surely the team on the receiving end should be allowed to bring on another sub, even if they've used all their "occasions" for subs?
How do you police that and stop teams cheating to use it to their advantage? We see enough play-acting to know that injuries are often not as severe as they might first look. Where do you draw the line?
 
46 games , some or most look abit like tonight. Wet as hell. Some days we play and win other days we fight and win in the end its points that counts. We did ok in front of both goals,not so elsewere.
Agreed. Doing well in front of both goals usually wins games - it’s made easier if you play well all over the pitch, and put the ball into their box in good positions repeatedly while keeping it out of your own box - but ultimately it’s what you do in the box that means you win or lose.
So many interviews you hear “we controlled the game; we were on top all over the pitch; won all those individual battles … but … we just missed that little bit of quality in front of goal”
Or
“They never troubled us; we dominated possession; kept them in front of us .,. but … one moment’s lapse of concentration, and we’ve lost the game”.

In this game, we calmly put away our one gilt-edged chance; we defended the box resolutely; and they were poor on the occasions they got into our area. What you do or don’t do in both boxes usually decides the points. We deserved the points.
 
According to heckys interview he didn't want to come off he wanted to stay on till the end
I thought it looked that way from their body language when they were talking on the sidelines - Mcatee seemed to be saying "honest gaffer, nowt wrong wi me, let me back ont grass to get our second and put this game to bed", or something along those lines.

JM already has a bit of reputation for reckless tackles himself, if I was Tanner I'd watch out in the return fixture in April in he case he tries to do a Santos....
 
Millers 1 up at Burnley
We thought we didn't deserve it. What about them? Losing 2-1 with 15 left then Rotherham man gets himself sent off, they equaliser in the 91st and score winner in the 100th, jammy two hats.

I still see nothing remotely special about their team. Think we'll do them on Saturday provided we don't have a whole host of absentees more than we usually have. They also seem to lack depth in the forwards. No choice but to flog Jay Rodriguez to death. He's got 9 goals but I can't say I'd honestly have him in our XI.

We're due a performance. Hopefully we can get one with Anel and Doyle back in. Then follow up with a scruffy win vs the Millers then all to play for against Cardiff.

Good to see Norwich and QPR dropping points.

Shame about Watford coming up in the rear view mirror. Could really do with them falling away a bit.
 
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We thought we didn't deserve it. What about them? Losing 2-1 with 15 left then Rotherham man gets himself sent off, they equaliser in the 91st and score winner in the 100th, jammy two hats.

I still see nothing remotely special about their team. Think we'll do them on Saturday provided we don't have a whole host of absentees more than we usually have. They also seem to lack depth in the forwards. No choice but to flog Jay Rodriguez to death. He's got 9 goals but I can't say I'd honestly have him in our XI.

We're due a performance. Hopefully we can get one with Anel and Doyle back in. Then follow up with a scruffy win vs the Millers then all to play for against Cardiff.

Good to see Norwich and QPR dropping points.

Shame about Watford coming up in the rear view mirror. Could really do with them falling away a bit.
We certainly deserved the win. It shouldn't have taken so long, mind. But 3 cleared off the line, 1 very good save, 2 barely past the post with the keeper beaten, 1 free header three yards out where he didn't get the connection right, umpty dangerous crosses that missed everyone - it really looked like being one of those days. Thank heavens for a referee that took time wasting seriously.

You're right, we lack depth in the forwards. Though Barnes "scored" an absolute screamer of a volley that was offside, and Dervisoglu got his first of the season, so progress there.
 
We certainly deserved the win. It shouldn't have taken so long, mind. But 3 cleared off the line, 1 very good save, 2 barely past the post with the keeper beaten, 1 free header three yards out where he didn't get the connection right, umpty dangerous crosses that missed everyone - it really looked like being one of those days. Thank heavens for a referee that took time wasting seriously.

You're right, we lack depth in the forwards. Though Barnes "scored" an absolute screamer of a volley that was offside, and Dervisoglu got his first of the season, so progress there.
Who is looking good for you guys? I always like Tella.

With the greatest of the respect I didn't see who would get you goals this year. Rodriguez' best years are probably behind him and before the season started most of your midfield options were 1 in 10 scorers, though granted the level they've been at has been higher.

I saw Maatson has been getting good reviews. I'm surprised nobody has targeted his height. He's very small. Shame for us Berge is out 6'5" vs 5'6" would have been a real mismatch.

Not sure any team has wholly convinced yet. Norwich floundering a bit. Watford good players but have been patchy. Your recent run has really shot you up there, though drawn a lot. Better than losing of course. Before that we were streaking ahead until the international break knackered us a bit. Can see a fair bit of back and forth.

We were terrible the other day in a cobbled together team. Still difficult to say how we will do in another 'Big' game. We lost to Watford, gifting them a goal from our own corner and gave Norwich a head start in a 2-2 draw with a gift from the keeper. Yet to play a top team and not gift them a goal!
 
Who is looking good for you guys? I always like Tella.

With the greatest of the respect I didn't see who would get you goals this year. Rodriguez' best years are probably behind him and before the season started most of your midfield options were 1 in 10 scorers, though granted the level they've been at has been higher.

I saw Maatson has been getting good reviews. I'm surprised nobody has targeted his height. He's very small. Shame for us Berge is out 6'5" vs 5'6" would have been a real mismatch.

Not sure any team has wholly convinced yet. Norwich floundering a bit. Watford good players but have been patchy. Your recent run has really shot you up there, though drawn a lot. Better than losing of course. Before that we were streaking ahead until the international break knackered us a bit. Can see a fair bit of back and forth.

We were terrible the other day in a cobbled together team. Still difficult to say how we will do in another 'Big' game. We lost to Watford, gifting them a goal from our own corner and gave Norwich a head start in a 2-2 draw with a gift from the keeper. Yet to play a top team and not gift them a goal!
Try not to target our defence from corners. We're not very big and we will let goals in that way!

Zourary on the left wing, and Benson on the right wing as sub, are close to unstoppable if we need a goal. Tella's perhaps a little quieter than he was early season. Rodriguez always was a goalscorer, though for many years he was an injured goalscorer and he lacks what's needed for the PL nowadays.

Your best bet is to let us be 1-0 up after 80 minutes, and an equalizer is all but guaranteed. We're not great at holding on to a lead. (Even tonight, Rotherham had a good chance at 3-2!) But we'll take the free goal, thanks. We've got bags of pace and a goal from a clearance from one of your corners would do very nicely.

Frankly, I wasn't impressed with your performance at Bristol. Bristol seemed to be running a clinic in "how not to score". Though I don't agree the goal was offside, because just a frame or two later Sharp was back level with the defender (they were moving in opposite directions) and that, in non-VAR rules, when the linesman doesn't have freeze-frame and doesn't draw lines on the pitch, counts to me as level.
 
Try not to target our defence from corners. We're not very big and we will let goals in that way!

Zourary on the left wing, and Benson on the right wing as sub, are close to unstoppable if we need a goal. Tella's perhaps a little quieter than he was early season. Rodriguez always was a goalscorer, though for many years he was an injured goalscorer and he lacks what's needed for the PL nowadays.

Your best bet is to let us be 1-0 up after 80 minutes, and an equalizer is all but guaranteed. We're not great at holding on to a lead. (Even tonight, Rotherham had a good chance at 3-2!) But we'll take the free goal, thanks. We've got bags of pace and a goal from a clearance from one of your corners would do very nicely.

Frankly, I wasn't impressed with your performance at Bristol. Bristol seemed to be running a clinic in "how not to score". Though I don't agree the goal was offside, because just a frame or two later Sharp was back level with the defender (they were moving in opposite directions) and that, in non-VAR rules, when the linesman doesn't have freeze-frame and doesn't draw lines on the pitch, counts to me as level.
You'll not find anyone who was impressed with our performance other than saying there was enough battle in there to get a result.

We got away with one there.

In all honesty, our best XI would be hard pressed not to finish top two given we kept all our Premier League signings except Ramsdale since relegation.

Problem we have is that we are incapable of getting that XI on the field at once.

In goal we'll have Foderingham who is first pick and has a 50% clean sheet record with us.

In defence we'll have Baldock, Ahmedhodžić back from suspension, Egan, Robinson and either Osborn or Stevens. Apart from Ahmedhodžić, who is the pick of them, they were all part of the squad that finished 9th in the PL. But that still means we are without Bogle, Lowe, Norrington-Davies and O'Connell, 3 of which would probably supplant those with the shirts if fit.

We'll have Norwood, Doyle hopefully back and Fleck who looks wider and shorter as the years pass by. This also means we are still without Berge who we paid 22m for and Coulibaly who was linked with Milan for 10m a year or so ago and who has yet to kick a ball for us.

Up front it will be N'Diaye with 8 and McBurnie with 7 who is already booked in for a hernia op. Record signing for 23.5m Brewster is out as is Jebbison who plays for the England U20s.

To sum up a weird season, this is possibly the best it has been all season and even then we have 7 out injured and 9 either carrying a knock or coming back from injury with little game time.

On the whole we have no idea which team will show up. We pick the team on fitness rather than any nod to form. So should be interesting, especially if you are missing one or two also!
 
How do you police that and stop teams cheating to use it to their advantage? We see enough play-acting to know that injuries are often not as severe as they might first look. Where do you draw the line?
Good point, but if it’s a red card offence then whether the injury is ‘genuine’ could be considered a moot point. A red card should give an advantage to the aggrieved team, last night we hardly gained anything (ok there was a matter of seconds remaining) because McAtee was hobbling round, it basically became 10 v 10.5 at best.
 
Good point, but if it’s a red card offence then whether the injury is ‘genuine’ could be considered a moot point. A red card should give an advantage to the aggrieved team, last night we hardly gained anything (ok there was a matter of seconds remaining) because McAtee was hobbling round, it basically became 10 v 10.5 at best.
They could introduce a rule that allows you to make an additional sub if one of your players is injured by an opponent (red or yellow card) and you have no subs left.
 

I get what you're saying, but people will cheat by feigning injury so they can bring on a fresh pair of legs. I ask again: how do you police it? And how do you avoid double jeopardy for the team who get the red card, if they lose a player and the other team use 'gamesmanship' to bring on a new player?

Sorry, I think it would just lead to way more controversy. I'm not sure most football fans need anything else to moan about, frankly.
 
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They could introduce a rule that allows you to make an additional sub if one of your players is injured by an opponent (red or yellow card) and you have no subs left.
In this case we did actually have a sub left, just no ‘occasions’ with which to use them. Seems additionally harsh in that respect
 
Feel a bit for Rotherham. The guy has a point. First one was a harsh booking. They then got a foul called against them on a breakaway and then Burnley’s goal came from a throw in that should have been given to the Milers.

 
Feel a bit for Rotherham. The guy has a point. First one was a harsh booking. They then got a foul called against them on a breakaway and then Burnley’s goal came from a throw in that should have been given to the Milers.


Well, I don't know if "The-RUFC" is an official Rotherham FC post or not, but if it is, it's asking for trouble as well as being inaccurate.

The booking for the foul on Benson is arguable. Plenty of opponents have given Benson a little kick as soon as he comes on and got away with it; this one didn't. As for the foul on Roberts, he shouldn't have kept running into Roberts' leg when he realised he wasn't going to get the ball.

The one for the breakaway pulled up for a foul is laughable. As Ogbene got away from Maatsen, he swung and arm and caught Maatsen in the face. The ref obviously thought it was an accident or it would have been another red card, but it's definitely a foul.

It is not generally a red card offence to push someone in the back, even if quite hard and with the ball dead. As a general rule, push to the body = booking, push to the face = sending off.

The assertion that the ref shouldn't add time on if the injury is not serious, is nonsense. There were at least 4 injury stoppages, and certainly none was less than a minute. Norton-Cuffy was down twice, albeit with trivial "injuries", and then took (I timed it) over a minute to walk from one side of the pitch to the other when he was subbed; he added 5 minutes on his own. The scuffle at the end was over a minute, the red card was over a minute, the other 5 sub opportunities took time as well. 10 minutes easy to justify.

As for the throw-in, so what. Rotherham had a throw-in in the first half that should have been Burnley's. It evens out. Very few linesmen would know whose throw it was in those circumstances, because their job is to watch for offside. The ref would give that throw-in. As for the assertion that the wrong decision forced the full back to stop play, try and pick up the ball, turn to the linesman and complain, turn to the ref and complain, and jog very slowly back into the box making no attempt to get involved - surely only the first part can be (however tenuously) be blamed on the ref? The rest is the player's own responsibility.
 
Always had a bit of a soft spot for Burnley, Play-off finals apart.

Some great players in the past, McIlroy, Pointer etc and Adam Blacklaw the original brick built toilet, not to mention the comedian in the flying helmet. I think both clubs will be thereabouts at the finish, hopefully.

Safe journey over mate
 
Feel a bit for Rotherham. The guy has a point. First one was a harsh booking. They then got a foul called against them on a breakaway and then Burnley’s goal came from a throw in that should have been given to the Milers.


Why do Rotherham fans always talk like they don't belong at this level? No wonder they always drop straight back down. They're here on merit and should act like it.
Same thing did my head in when we were in the PL. It's about what the 11 on the pitch can do with a ball
 
Always had a bit of a soft spot for Burnley, Play-off finals apart.

Some great players in the past, McIlroy, Pointer etc and Adam Blacklaw the original brick built toilet, not to mention the comedian in the flying helmet. I think both clubs will be thereabouts at the finish, hopefully.

Safe journey over mate
Thanks. But watching this one on the magic lantern.

Adam Blacklaw was the definition of a craggy Scot, but the hardest of all was Andy Lochhead. When we played Napoli in the Fairs Cup, one of their players got sent off for kicking Lochhead in the head when he was lying on the floor. as someone pointed out, back in those days if you kicked Andy Lochhead in the head, you should be pleading with the ref to send you off, because it won't be safe to stay on the same pitch!

I have this theory that at relatively early stages of the season, goal difference is a better guide as to who is a really good side than points. So that's you and us. See you in the Premier! (Which will be a shame. Much more fun in the Championship!)
 
Well, I don't know if "The-RUFC" is an official Rotherham FC post or not, but if it is, it's asking for trouble as well as being inaccurate.

The booking for the foul on Benson is arguable. Plenty of opponents have given Benson a little kick as soon as he comes on and got away with it; this one didn't. As for the foul on Roberts, he shouldn't have kept running into Roberts' leg when he realised he wasn't going to get the ball.

The one for the breakaway pulled up for a foul is laughable. As Ogbene got away from Maatsen, he swung and arm and caught Maatsen in the face. The ref obviously thought it was an accident or it would have been another red card, but it's definitely a foul.

It is not generally a red card offence to push someone in the back, even if quite hard and with the ball dead. As a general rule, push to the body = booking, push to the face = sending off.

The assertion that the ref shouldn't add time on if the injury is not serious, is nonsense. There were at least 4 injury stoppages, and certainly none was less than a minute. Norton-Cuffy was down twice, albeit with trivial "injuries", and then took (I timed it) over a minute to walk from one side of the pitch to the other when he was subbed; he added 5 minutes on his own. The scuffle at the end was over a minute, the red card was over a minute, the other 5 sub opportunities took time as well. 10 minutes easy to justify.

As for the throw-in, so what. Rotherham had a throw-in in the first half that should have been Burnley's. It evens out. Very few linesmen would know whose throw it was in those circumstances, because their job is to watch for offside. The ref would give that throw-in. As for the assertion that the wrong decision forced the full back to stop play, try and pick up the ball, turn to the linesman and complain, turn to the ref and complain, and jog very slowly back into the box making no attempt to get involved - surely only the first part can be (however tenuously) be blamed on the ref? The rest is the player's own responsibility.
Doesn't really even out at that late stage and given the state of the game. Rotherham may have been able to see out the game. You can see their point even if you don't agree. You even concede the first one probably isn't a yellow which would have changed the entire complexion of the game.

Some of his claims are exaggerated but so are yours but that is to be expected by any fan; one man's hard challenge is another's red card. The 'foul' on Maatson which you describe as laughable isn't even a foul for me. If he accidentally caught him slightly that's not immediately a foul. Minor physical contact doesn't equal a foul; it is a contact sport after all. I fully expect United to give him the treatment early on. He can't expect to get extra protection because of his size. He's going to have to be a special player to get over such a lack of height as a defender though smaller players like Alan Wright made a career of it.

The one where the player is unprovokedly shoving the Rotherham player really relies on who the ref is. For me a yellow though I would expect the player shoved to go in hard on him next time they were going for the ball. Sort of yellow the manager will be annoyed at.

Don't agree with Kompany's antics. On one hand he rightly says people don't pay to see players dragging the time out. His holier than though halo slips a bit where his overreacting helps get another pro booked.

Put them together and as a neutral I can understand Rotherham being disgruntled because this is a regular theme for them; it isn't specific to Burnley. Not so different to you or us being in the PL and seeing your Liverpools and Man Us get the benefit of the doubt. For Rotherham that's you.
 
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