For the Wilder haters...

[Blade45]

I’m not sure I agree with the prevailing narrative that Wilder’s stock ‘really couldn’t have been any lower’

Did he really fail badly at Boro or Watford? He had Boro challenging for the play offs before a poor start to his next season - a poor start that the great Michael Carrick also served up the season after.

As for Watford, well if there’s a club that’s more of a basket case than we are at the moment, it could well be them.

Did he fail at Blades first time around when he left with us rock bottom of the prem? Well if you consider where he took us from then that’s a hard no - has he failed this season? Maybe, but the squad is just poor and I don’t think there’s any dressing that up.

I certainly don't think that Michael Carrick is some revolutionary manager, even if he a better manager than Rooney, Lampard, and other famous ex-players. Regardless if you analyze the results you think he failed, the media and many fans think he did. Almost any job above League 1 he would've taken, the decision would've been criticized.

 

[Bell4]

We need to get beyond the fallacy that no one decent would want to manage us. Because if you believe that, you have to believe that Wilders star has truly hit rock bottom.

His good years were legendary. What happened after that doesn’t change that fact for me.

Agree

We are a very attractive club if presented in the right way - imo

 

[The Fox]

I don't know the guy , can't hate him or even dislike him ..for all I know he's a top bloke .
However I just don't think he's the right man for us right now that's all.
He seams to be the guy that some players love and others fall out with ( or he falls out with them ) .
His media persona may not be his work persona but he just comes across as a bit of a mardy git.
Ultimately the guy knows more about being a football manager than any if us will , he's deserved his success and fair play to him . But he has to own his failings too , if I were a player do I really want to be thrown under the bus publicly whenever we lose ?
There was a time and a place for wilder at sufc but that time has passed.
I hope he moves on and enjoys success elsewhere , or just enjoys life and smiles a bit more often .

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

He did well first time here, found an exiting and entertaining way to play football, but with his lack of success recently with Watford and Middlesbrough and this season with us, I highly doubt he is capable of steering us in the right direction long term.
We had a chance at one point this season to not finish stone cold bottom with how poor Burnley had been, but we couldn't even muster up a fight to finish above them.
The guy also left though the back door when things didn't go well the first time, I think he's very fortunate to be back here.

 

[The Crab]

If CW was to get the sack, who would you guys want in? I'd want Scott Lindsey in from Crawley, but I get the impression our board won't be that forward thinking.

I suppose it depends which board that’s going to be

 

[Nicesheffielder]

I think some people think he's lost his touch, especially compared to his glory days of 2017-2019. This is an absolutely terrible, no good, very bad Sheffield United team, and not even Paul McCartney could get a tune out of human waste baskets like Vini Souza or Austen Trusty. Next season, allow him to rebuild, play our younguns more, and get back to the Championship, where it's more fun anyway. We also need to consider that not many other (established) managers would want to manage us, and Chris Wilder only seems to do it because of his genuine love for our club. Almost any other manager that we as a fanbase would be alright with hiring wouldn't dare come near us. I still have faith in CW, the twinkle in his eye is back.

UTB

So CW is not on a wage ,and is doing it for the love of the club and living off his backdoor payoff

 

[Blade45]

So CW is not on a wage ,and is doing it for the love of the club and living off his backdoor payoff

Just because you love something very much, especially a job, it doesn't mean you shouldn't be compensated. I am sure Chris Wilder is being compensated very kindly, but still.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So CW is not on a wage ,and is doing it for the love of the club and living off his backdoor payoff

Blade45 seems okay and clearly believes in Wilder. Much like Bladezz which is obviously something of a worry………

 

[Nagima]

I think that at Middlesbrough and Watford, he lost the magic that got us 2 promotions in 3 seasons. To be fair to him, Pep Guardiola would fail at Watford, so you can't really blame him there. I do suppose that Carrick really took advantage of the good things Wilder was doing at Middlesbrough, but most fans of both clubs say he was a failure, at least that I talked to.

It's all about timing and fit. Right person at the right time. It's also harder for managers these days as the owners want to tinker and players get paid so much that they have the power to blame the manager and the chairman listens.
Pep let's everyone know who is boss and Arteta and Ange at spurs the same but the last two could be gone very easily if the chairman doesn't stand with them.

 

[Blade45]

It's all about timing and fit. Right person at the right time. It's also harder for managers these days as the owners want to tinker and players get paid so much that they have the power to blame the manager and the chairman listens.
Pep let's everyone know who is boss and Arteta and Ange at spurs the same but the last two could be gone very easily if the chairman doesn't stand with them.

The problem at Sheff Utd is that Chris Wilder has too much power, signing players himself and not consulting with any kind of director of football, which most modern clubs have.

 

[Blade45]

The problem at Sheff Utd is that Chris Wilder has too much power, signing players himself and not consulting with any kind of director of football, which most modern clubs have.

Not to say that I don't think CW is a class manager, he is. He just has a mixed track record on signings, so its probably best to bring in a Director Of Football and a Technical Director like some others on here have mentioned.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

I think managers end up being only as good as their last campaign. Even Jose Mourinho who has won everything now gets loads of stick for being no good.

I like Wilder, I think what he has achieved should forever keep him in the fans hearts.

However this season hasn't been good at all. Not his fault, but also he has to take responsibility for some of it.

His last season with us before this one ended in him running out after a season that covid really did mess up.

I will back him for start of next season and I think we will know by end of transfer window if he is able to do a good job.

We live in a world where owners & some fans demand instant coffee success .. just add hot water … in that world let’s just say in the Championship for example there would be 3 successes & 21 failures .. thank fk well don’t get judged by that in our jobs ??
People forget what he inherited & where we went … it was never gonna last last we didn’t have the backing or infrastructure to support it .. but from mid table League 1 to flirting with Europe was some journey & playing some quality football … let’s be reyt …it could have been a shite sight worse

 

[Torrix1889]

This is a case of selective memories.

The journey from bottom of league 1 to challenging for a Champions league shot in the Premier league was a minor miracle.
I'm sure when we beat Norwich 1-0 just before lock down, we were 6 points behind 4th place (champions league) with a game in hand.

For me......under the circumstances this is the greatest spell of managerial achievement in our history.
Our upturn was even more incredible when you consider we were using many of the same league 1 players.
Instead of playing Bassett and Warnock up and at em physical style.....we played a keep possession pass and move style.
Even in away games at Arsenal and Spurs, we were comfortable having spells of domination.
Fans of away teams always used to see it was their worse performance in many years when we beat them.

After lock down we were never the same....it was a difficult time for everyone....a king of surreal experience.
Really think Wilder was mentally affected.....he's a winner and when things didn't go his way...he spat his dummy out and left.

Seems some fans have never forgiven him for that......none of us know what happened.
However if the Prince has forgiven him and prepared to work with him then that's good enough for me.

There are valid reasons for negativity, he seems to have a touch of the Warnock's about him regards money.
Give Warnock and Wilder basic players on a low budget and their records are great.
Give them money to buy tried and tested quality players and both seem to struggle.

For me the jury is still out, last season was a write off. Would give Wilder 2 or 3 months to see what he can do.
If he starts poorly then no issues with me, he needs replacing.

One thing I would say is that you don't become a great manager overnight and you don't become a bad manager overnight.

100% agree, Wilder has not become a bad Manager overnight, he's become a bad Manager over the last 3 years and there's absolutely nothing whatsoever to convince me he will see an upturn. L1 is his level, (at best) and the sooner the gets back there the better.

 

[coaxingstar71]

If you look up the LMA awards, he actually has the best record for an English manager with 4 awards.

I don't believe you become a shit manager overnight. I also don't agree with a revolving door policy with the manager job.
For all the talk of the poor signings, he's also made some of our best signings over the last 10 years. Basham was a 'nowt' player until Wilder and Knill came in and literally transformed him into one of the most consistent players we've had since 2016. Maybe, just maybe, they could do that with a couple of our current squad, perhaps someone like Trusty.

I'd like to give them the opportunity to try.

 

[Nagima]

The problem at Sheff Utd is that Chris Wilder has too much power, signing players himself and not consulting with any kind of director of football, which most modern clubs have.

Agreed that a DOF is needed but it needs to be a working relationship from the start. There is more than Wilder at fault for our transfer failures. Coulibaly Slimane Traore Laroucci Olsen Barnes etc add those to Wilders. Our recruitment team, managers and owner have had a shocker.

 

[Blade45]

Agreed that a DOF is needed but it needs to be a working relationship from the start. There is more than Wilder at fault for our transfer failures. Coulibaly Slimane Traore Laroucci Olsen Barnes etc add those to Wilders. Our recruitment team, managers and owner have had a shocker.

Yeah, I'm convinced that much of the infrastructure at the club, both physical (stadium, health departments) and scouting are about 25 years behind everyone else.

 

[Lane Ender]

100% agree, Wilder has not become a bad Manager overnight, he's become a bad Manager over the last 3 years and there's absolutely nothing whatsoever to convince me he will see an upturn. L1 is his level, (at best) and the sooner the gets back there the better.

Wilder and Knill had a formula that worked for that period eventually we got sussed in the end players many who performed admiringly reached their sell by date and Wilder didn’t have a clue how to stop the bleeding and walked.
In any walk of life you wouldn’t employ them again after a stroke like that but the Prince did as always he took the cheap way out and look how it turned we ended up the laughing stock of football.
I’ve said it before he should have gone after the Villa debacle

 

[Houston_Blade]

I’m definitely not a hater, but I don’t think we should have re-employed him and nothing he’s done since he came back in is telling me otherwise.

What he did in those 3 seasons was legendary, what he’s done since has been piss poor.

No amount of badge slapping and trying to relate to the fans will change that.

 

[Torrix1889]

I can see how many thought (and still think) that bringing CW was underwhelming, but I think we should give him a transfer window to sort everything all out.

But he's equally as capable of fucking everything up....

 

[biggiesablade]

Let me down. Not man who I thought he was. Slinked back looking like he sweats pure Stella.

 

[Rodley]

Spunking munneh accusation is harsh on CW IMHO. We’ve seen this season that if you don’t have the recruitment and scouting systems & resources, plus very limited wages, Premier League recruitment is really hard to get right.

We’re a bigger fish in the Championship so the likelihood of a new signing being a success increases to the par of about 50:50. In the Prem with our set up and wages, I think a 10-20% success rate is probably about right.

 

[Pintor75]

I think the media look at him as that scruffy bloke from Sheffield, who can't even be arsed to have a shave, whilst representing a top flight club in the media, when interviewed can't string a sentence together without stuttering, and ending every line with , abiliteh, defensiveleh, offensiveleh etc, etc, the man is a legend for what he did in the past, and we love him for it, but we're a laughing stock now and I'm sorry but we need a new broom to clear out the " old blade regime" and create a club worth investing in

 

[ForgeBlade]

Spunking munneh accusation is harsh on CW IMHO. We’ve seen this season that if you don’t have the recruitment and scouting systems & resources, plus very limited wages, Premier League recruitment is really hard to get right.

We’re a bigger fish in the Championship so the likelihood of a new signing being a success increases to the par of about 50:50. In the Prem with our set up and wages, I think a 10-20% success rate is probably about right.

I don't think that is about this season tbh. When you consider he spent north of £70m on McBurnie, Berge, Brewster and Mousset however, it gains some traction. Mousset had a brief golden spell in the first half of 19/20. Berge flattered to deceive and never got close to living up to his price tag or reputation for us. Brewster is possibly the worst signing we've ever made given return on investment. McB is the only one that has come close to repaying the money, but even then he blows hot and cold, and spends too much time injured. CW spent (for us) stratospheric sums on money on players who have, mostly, been either crap or average.

 

[TJ blade]

I don't think that is about this season tbh. When you consider he spent north of £70m on McBurnie, Berge, Brewster and Mousset however, it gains some traction. Mousset had a brief golden spell in the first half of 19/20. Berge flattered to deceive and never got close to living up to his price tag or reputation for us. Brewster is possibly the worst signing we've ever made given return on investment. McB is the only one that has come close to repaying the money, but even then he blows hot and cold, and spends too much time injured. CW spent (for us) stratospheric sums on money on players who have, mostly, been either crap or average.

Oliver Burke!! Still can't forgive him for signing that useless twat! Then he tops it with Grbic.. ffs!

 

[ForgeBlade]

Oliver Burke!! Still can't forgive him for signing that useless twat! Then he tops it with Grbic.. ffs!

At least Burke has the (slight) honour of scoring the winner for us in a rare victory at Old Trafford...

 

[TJ blade]

At least Burke has the (slight) honour of scoring the winner for us in a rare victory at Old Trafford...

It hit somebody on the way in let's face it the twat couldn't score in a brothel

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

I think managers end up being only as good as their last campaign.

Except for Vincent Kompany of course…

 

[Super Furry Blades]

Kin boring mate

 

[Laney Blade]

This is the man who changed this club for the better this last decade. Who signed legends, brought out the best in people like Basham and gave us memries we'll be telling our grandkids about. To many of us he's a legend, and there was a time not too long ago he was universally adored on here, but there's a few people now who don't like him, or at least who he's become.

My question is: why?

(50 pages by Monday I reckon!)

They're snobs.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I can see how many thought (and still think) that bringing CW was underwhelming, but I think we should give him a transfer window to sort everything all out.

Yes I agree, but sadly it might not get that far. Apparently we’ve been on our prospective owners radar for while. It seems they’ve been sounding people out already…Not much respect for Wilder there.