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Why dun't thi like im?

  • Reluctance towards international talent/dun't sign forreners

    Votes: 60 24.2%

  • Been shit since he came back

    Votes: 104 41.9%

  • Inflexibility towards working with owners

    Votes: 29 11.7%

  • Relationship with players

    Votes: 25 10.1%

  • Spunkin' moneh on shit

    Votes: 118 47.6%

  • Poor backroom

    Votes: 28 11.3%

  • Living off his legacy

    Votes: 117 47.2%

  • Too Bladey Blade

    Votes: 36 14.5%

  • He's no Danny Röhl

    Votes: 19 7.7%

  • Other (elaborate)

    Votes: 23 9.3%
  • Total voters
    248
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This is the man who changed this club for the better this last decade. Who signed legends, brought out the best in people like Basham and gave us memries we'll be telling our grandkids about. To many of us he's a legend, and there was a time not too long ago he was universally adored on here, but there's a few people now who don't like him, or at least who he's become.

My question is: why?

(50 pages by Monday I reckon!)
 

I think some people think he's lost his touch, especially compared to his glory days of 2017-2019. This is an absolutely terrible, no good, very bad Sheffield United team, and not even Paul McCartney could get a tune out of human waste baskets like Vini Souza or Austen Trusty. Next season, allow him to rebuild, play our younguns more, and get back to the Championship, where it's more fun anyway. We also need to consider that not many other (established) managers would want to manage us, and Chris Wilder only seems to do it because of his genuine love for our club. Almost any other manager that we as a fanbase would be alright with hiring wouldn't dare come near us. I still have faith in CW, the twinkle in his eye is back.

UTB
 
I think managers end up being only as good as their last campaign. Even Jose Mourinho who has won everything now gets loads of stick for being no good.

I like Wilder, I think what he has achieved should forever keep him in the fans hearts.

However this season hasn't been good at all. Not his fault, but also he has to take responsibility for some of it.

His last season with us before this one ended in him running out after a season that covid really did mess up.

I will back him for start of next season and I think we will know by end of transfer window if he is able to do a good job.
 
DifferentClass said:
This is the man who changed this club for the better this last decade. Who signed legends, brought out the best in people like Basham and gave us memries we'll be telling our grandkids about. To many of us he's a legend, and there was a time not too long ago he was universally adored on here, but there's a few people now who don't like him, or at least who he's become.

My question is: why?

(50 pages by Monday I reckon!)
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All of that is true. Which is why I voted “living off his legacy” which I think he is in my opinion.

I’m not and have never been a hater as implied by the thread title.

I just don’t think he’s what he was and it was a desperate gamble by the prince.

I’d be delighted to be proven wrong
 
We need to get beyond the fallacy that no one decent would want to manage us. Because if you believe that, you have to believe that Wilders star has truly hit rock bottom.

His good years were legendary. What happened after that doesn’t change that fact for me.
 
He’s a good manager and he effectively runs half the club when he’s in charge, which we need with seemingly scant leadership and structure.

If we get new ownership the latter points should, I hope, be addressed. I’d be open to new management if they were better than CW. I wouldn’t replace him with a good Championship manager, but a good Championship manager with a ceiling to grow at the next level.
 
Sean Thornton said:
We need to get beyond the fallacy that no one decent would want to manage us. Because if you believe that, you have to believe that Wilders star has truly hit rock bottom.

His good years were legendary. What happened after that doesn’t change that fact for me.
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Other than maybe Steve Cooper, I'm not sure anyone would want to manage us. Certainly when we hired Chris Wilder, no one wanted to manage us because we were practically relegated by November, and no manager would want to ruin their career trying to save a ship sinking faster than the Titanic. CW was our only option at that time, and his stock really couldn't have been any lower after failing at Middlesbrough and Watford.
 
Blade45 said:
Other than maybe Steve Cooper, I'm not sure anyone would want to manage us. Certainly when we hired Chris Wilder, no one wanted to manage us because we were practically relegated by November, and no manager would want to ruin their career trying to save a ship sinking faster than the Titanic. CW was our only option at that time, and his stock really couldn't have been any lower after failing at Middlesbrough and Watford.
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That was a free pass though. The appointment still has an air of mystery about it for me.
 

Rodley said:
He’s a good manager and he effectively runs half the club when he’s in charge, which we need with seemingly scant leadership and structure.

If we get new ownership the latter points should, I hope, be addressed. I’d be open to new management if they were better than CW. I wouldn’t replace him with a good Championship manager, but a good Championship manager with a ceiling to grow at the next level.
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I doubt he does this time. Not itk, just an opinion.
 
I like Chris Wilder but I don't think he should have come back - I don't think it's wise to ever go back really. When it all went pear-shaped before, I think he was under an enormous amount of stress and if he'd come on our Mental Health thread I believe he would have been given good advice. Personally I don't think he should have left in the first place - but the ship had already sunk so he should have been given a sabbatical and come back refreshed for the Championship
 
Blade45 said:
Other than maybe Steve Cooper, I'm not sure anyone would want to manage us. Certainly when we hired Chris Wilder, no one wanted to manage us because we were practically relegated by November, and no manager would want to ruin their career trying to save a ship sinking faster than the Titanic. CW was our only option at that time, and his stock really couldn't have been any lower after failing at Middlesbrough and Watford.
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I wouldn't have classified both jobs as being failures. Did ok for awhile at Middlesbrough At Watford he was taking over a toxic environment to see the season out. Watford at the lane under Bilic showed they weren't interested. I said at the time that the players would get him the sack. Wilder wasn't going turn that ship around.

I am not Wilders biggest fan. He has done both great and stupid things for us. New owners will probably aim in a different direction. There are plenty of managers out their that would like to manage us.
 
Nagima said:
I wouldn't have classified both jobs as being failures. Did ok for awhile at Middlesbrough At Watford he was taking over a toxic environment to see the season out. Watford at the lane under Bilic showed they weren't interested. I said at the time that the players would get him the sack. Wilder wasn't going turn that ship around.

I am not Wilders biggest fan. He has done both great and stupid things for us. New owners will probably aim in a different direction. There are plenty of managers out their that would like to manage us.
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I think that at Middlesbrough and Watford, he lost the magic that got us 2 promotions in 3 seasons. To be fair to him, Pep Guardiola would fail at Watford, so you can't really blame him there. I do suppose that Carrick really took advantage of the good things Wilder was doing at Middlesbrough, but most fans of both clubs say he was a failure, at least that I talked to.
 
This is a case of selective memories.

The journey from bottom of league 1 to challenging for a Champions league shot in the Premier league was a minor miracle.
I'm sure when we beat Norwich 1-0 just before lock down, we were 6 points behind 4th place (champions league) with a game in hand.

For me......under the circumstances this is the greatest spell of managerial achievement in our history.
Our upturn was even more incredible when you consider we were using many of the same league 1 players.
Instead of playing Bassett and Warnock up and at em physical style.....we played a keep possession pass and move style.
Even in away games at Arsenal and Spurs, we were comfortable having spells of domination.
Fans of away teams always used to see it was their worse performance in many years when we beat them.

After lock down we were never the same....it was a difficult time for everyone....a king of surreal experience.
Really think Wilder was mentally affected.....he's a winner and when things didn't go his way...he spat his dummy out and left.

Seems some fans have never forgiven him for that......none of us know what happened.
However if the Prince has forgiven him and prepared to work with him then that's good enough for me.

There are valid reasons for negativity, he seems to have a touch of the Warnock's about him regards money.
Give Warnock and Wilder basic players on a low budget and their records are great.
Give them money to buy tried and tested quality players and both seem to struggle.

For me the jury is still out, last season was a write off. Would give Wilder 2 or 3 months to see what he can do.
If he starts poorly then no issues with me, he needs replacing.

One thing I would say is that you don't become a great manager overnight and you don't become a bad manager overnight.
 
 
Lane Ender said:
Goes down as one of the biggest bollocks the Blades have ever done bringing him back can’t all the Wilder lovers on here get it he’s fucking yesterday’s news.
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A theory where you might have a case is Wilders management style.
It seems he has more of an old fashioned Brian Clough style, calls a spade a spade and not frightened to criticise players.
Think this probably still works in the lower divisions with hungry players

but if you're laying in to underperforming players then these days some are mentally weak and can't take it.
Maybe Wilders more aggressive personality makes him loose the dressing room more? not sure.
 
Don't hate him, he did great things, but it's a bit of a few of those why he should be put out of his misery.

What he did in his first spell was fantastic and they were great times, but everyone can't just keep blindly backing everything he ever does now just because he used to be a good manager. Nobody ever comes up with a good reason to keep him other than what he did before.

His reluctance to sign foreigners doesn't have to be a bad thing but it does make things harder and more expensive to sign good British talent, think links into spunking money as we could have had someone from abroad for a fraction of the cost of Brewster for equal or better return. That said, the quality of most of the foreigners we have brought in has been awful so sticking to what you know isn't always bad.

He's undoubtably been shit since he came back but he was shit before he went, ever since covid really when he went from a cavalier take on anyone attitute to a petulant, moaning, defeatist crybaby, constantly moaning about the owners and how we couldn't compete, destroying a lot of the team spirit that made the team better than the sum of its parts. His stubbornness with tactics is one of his main issues and after being a breath of fresh air when he first returned with an attacking 4-3-3, he returned to a timid 5-3-2 regardless of opposition or player availability to fill those spots.

His backroom staff don't help him much, substitutions almost always make us much worse and threw away a bunch of points but that's not 100% on Wilder as he had a good 10 minute conversation with tactical genius Andrews before taking off Archer for Souza when we were 3-1 down against Forest. I'm assuming we never replaced Hudson and just didn't have a defensive coach for the second half of the season as we went from throwing away points with silly errors under Hecky to taking regular hammerings with basic bad defending under Wilder.

I thought giving him the job back was a bad idea given how he left before but initially I was happy to be proved wrong, but as the season went on it's unfortunately become clear that he just doesn't have it anymore. He should retire and leave out the front door with everyone at least able to remember the good times, rather than didviding the fanbase and shitting on his legacy.
 
Hanauer said:
Not bad for a failure:-

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Nobody doubts his past, it's his present and future that are the problems.
 
If CW was to get the sack, who would you guys want in? I'd want Scott Lindsey in from Crawley, but I get the impression our board won't be that forward thinking.
 

Blade45 said:
Other than maybe Steve Cooper, I'm not sure anyone would want to manage us. Certainly when we hired Chris Wilder, no one wanted to manage us because we were practically relegated by November, and no manager would want to ruin their career trying to save a ship sinking faster than the Titanic. CW was our only option at that time, and his stock really couldn't have been any lower after failing at Middlesbrough and Watford.
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I’m not sure I agree with the prevailing narrative that Wilder’s stock ‘really couldn’t have been any lower’

Did he really fail badly at Boro or Watford? He had Boro challenging for the play offs before a poor start to his next season - a poor start that the great Michael Carrick also served up the season after.

As for Watford, well if there’s a club that’s more of a basket case than we are at the moment, it could well be them.

Did he fail at Blades first time around when he left with us rock bottom of the prem? Well if you consider where he took us from then that’s a hard no - has he failed this season? Maybe, but the squad is just poor and I don’t think there’s any dressing that up.
 
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