Do you trust Wilder to rebuild the squad?

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Do you trust Wilder with the rebuild?

  • Yes

    Votes: 186 43.5%

  • No

    Votes: 242 56.5%
  • Total voters
    428
Bladezz said:
No my friend you are mistaken yet again.

My initial point that you keep ignoring is that the comment was about Wilder not being good with the youth.

Then it went down a path of Arblaster being loaned out to league one and Brooks “nearly” being loaned out to league one.

Your point that I agree with is that Wilder nearly made a terrible decision. Hecky made a terrible decision.

Just based on the facts that one loaned out one of our better players and one nearly did. You added some clarity so I appreciate that and agree with you again. Not often we agree so not sure why you’re trying to keep attacking my point. 🤝
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I didn’t comment on your original quote. Only the one about Wilder rescuing Brooks from the Chesterfield loan on the basis of him seeing him in training. Which is incorrect. As you yourself now appear to accept.

As for Hecky, maybe he thought Arblaster wasn’t ready for the first team at that point and wanted to blood him in men’s football at a lower level. That’s not difficult to comprehend. He came back a better player for that. To say it was a mistake is more about you needing to big Wilder up - who ironically was doing the exact same with Brooks until told he was ready - than prove Hecky to be wrong. The boys current situation does not suggest the Port Vale decision was in any way, a mistake.
 

Broomhall Blade said:
Bloody hell it's a good job you weren't in charge of selling season tickets 🤣

Just one thing you said the Prince needs Premiership money in an earlier post so surely it makes sense to go for it abit next season, because for me next season will be our best chance of going up with the teams that are coming down.
The reason I say this is because I can see some big clubs coming down next season.
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Well it’s the reality in my opinion.

It would make sense to go for it while having some parachute money and being able to restart, however it’s not like we are say Burnley who will go down with a squad needing very little changing to be competitive again.
But the theory is sound I just do t think it is something he will go for given how close we were to going pop.
The risk for us is the unknown….and being desperate it’s a fine line being drawn into paying more because we are desperate and need bodies in quick.
Plus of course whatever we commit to now we are stuck with potentially for 3 plus years.
Again, if we had a squad that was good and not in need of getting rid…players like Anel, Souza etc…you could say it would be going for it a bit keeping them to get us back up. Problem is they are the main issue so need binning.
 
Sean Thornton said:
I didn’t comment on your original quote. Only the one about Wilder rescuing Brooks from the Chesterfield loan on the basis of him seeing him in training. Which is incorrect. As you yourself now appear to accept.

As for Hecky, maybe he thought Arblaster wasn’t ready for the first team at that point and wanted to blood him in men’s football at a lower level. That’s not difficult to comprehend. He came back a better player for that. To say it was a mistake is more about you needing to big Wilder up - who ironically was doing the exact same with Brooks until told he was ready - than prove Hecky to be wrong. The boys current situation does not suggest the Port Vale decision was in any way, a mistake.
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You’re analysing things way too much there pal. But with hindsight which is a wonderful thing and obviously one in which we look back on. He was ready for men’s football a few games in PV fans where saying how good he was. Just a mistake it’s not a big deal he’s no longer here anymore and we now have the player exactly where he should be.

We should send all our players to PV if they go from not being ready for men’s football to £20m players in the space of 20 games.

But your argument is somewhat floored. Your attempting to dig Wilder out for nearly making a mistake but then when it’s flipped to Hecky making same decision it’s not a mistake.

I am not like you picking and choosing sides to suit an agenda. If Wilder loaned out Brooks it would have been a big error.

I’m done with this conversation just going round in circles. If it makes you feel better than Hecky made the right call then so be it. Makes no difference to me what so ever.
 
Bladezz said:
I clearly explained he was heading to Chesterfield and if he went there it would have been just as bad as Blaster to Port Vale.

The result was the correct one. We didn’t loan him and was thrown into the first team. So it would be seen as nearly a mistake and I would agree with you.

Would have been an awful awful mistake but listened to people around him and the correct decision was made.

Same would be the case if Hackford scored 20 in league one. I would be saying why has he been loaned out and that it’s a mistake.

No rewriting history I agree with you 100%.
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One difference we were in the championship with Brookes different ball game with Arblaster we were premiership.That would have been a big jump for Ollie from 21s to prem,simple as that !!
 
Arblaster played 25 times, just under 2,000 minutes for Port Vale. If you don't think that accelerated his development and confidence then you're likely wrong.

The best thing for the player was being involved in competitive games as a valued starter. He wasn't getting that chance to start the season here under any manager.

The loan, recall, play result has been the best for all parties
 
finlaytheblade said:
One difference we were in the championship with Brookes different ball game with Arblaster we were premiership.That would have been a big jump for Ollie from 21s to prem,simple as that !!
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But Blaster has made the jump just like Brooks did!
 
I think that Chris Wilder should be given the chance is the correct one. besides I don't think the prince can afford a new manager anyway.if we have a bad start to next season were are in trouble.
 
Bladezz said:
Wilder has had 6 bad months in the managerial hot seat with us in his previous tenure. The rest was only massive success.

our football was loved by even the greats like Pep. When did everyone just forget?
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Hence why I said he was good for his first 3 years, since late 2019 he’s done absolutely nothing to suggest he’s still got what it takes though.
 
I think with all the out of contract players this is the perfect time to alter our style , were stuck with 532 with the players weve got ,they cant adapt to different styles now is the time to recruit for a style of play . That may be 532 but in my opinion thats been found out we really need to go down a possession route , so either stick with wilder or move on but recruit for a new system
 
Bladezz said:
You’re analysing things way too much there pal. But with hindsight which is a wonderful thing and obviously one in which we look back on. He was ready for men’s football a few games in PV fans where saying how good he was. Just a mistake it’s not a big deal he’s no longer here anymore and we now have the player exactly where he should be.

We should send all our players to PV if they go from not being ready for men’s football to £20m players in the space of 20 games.

But your argument is somewhat floored. Your attempting to dig Wilder out for nearly making a mistake but then when it’s flipped to Hecky making same decision it’s not a mistake.

I am not like you picking and choosing sides to suit an agenda. If Wilder loaned out Brooks it would have been a big error.

I’m done with this conversation just going round in circles. If it makes you feel better than Hecky made the right call then so be it. Makes no difference to me what so ever.
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The only one going around in circles is you. Just telling you how wrong you are on both points. It happens. Now your “send ‘em all to Port Vale”nonsense suggests even less understanding of player development.
 
finlaytheblade said:
Your like a dog with a bone
Won't let go!
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He won’t. His problem is that he expresses opinions as facts and makes things up to suit his agenda, but it gets pointed out and he doesn’t handle it very well. He generally doubles down on the bullshit & looks silly. We’ve had a few of these over the years, they tend to either learn or get pretty much ignored by everyone.
 
Wilder will be hurting like the rest of us and will want to hit the ground running.Thats why i want him to build the team for next season he knows whats been needed for months .And bringing in new manager wont know the ins and outs of whats needed to start off with ,Have to say i did not want him back as well
 

There's less propaganda on North Korean TV than on here
 
finlaytheblade said:
All been said before ! He knows the club , what we have and not got so he is in the best position to turn it round.Just a year on his contract so won't brake the bank to sack if necessary.
He is a lifelong blade and wants the best for the club so if it dunt work I feel sure he will go in favour of another hand picked coach
( hopefully that won't happen) who Wilder will help to find ,feel sure he will have( he and the prince) some young coach in mind.
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He’s not a life long Blade yes he played under Bassett that’s about it
 
finlaytheblade said:
Your like a dog with a bone
Won't let go!

He is a lifelong blade and even been to away games when the opportunity arose going back to when he was a boy.
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He spent most of his boyhood early teens in Southampton as his dad worked on the cruise ships.
When he signed for us he started knocking around with the Bradway lads most of them were Blades that’s his connection.
 
I don’t trust him really but unfortunately he will be in charge come August.

For me he is a busted flush and ever since Covid came around he’s been a bit unbearable at times to listen to. Some of his excuses are genuinely laughable, he fails to take any sort of criticism which is embarrassing when he sets us up so poorly every game. When he first came here he was pretty proactive with his substitutions but he’s now very reactionary and he’s 20 minutes late to these sort of things.
He is absolutely useless at recruiting once he’s got a bit of money to spend, you can’t argue with that.

End of the day I think we need to look on how we operate off the pitch in terms of the recruitment side. We need to get a DoF in and sharpish. Last summer transfer window was beyond embarrassing in how long it took us to sign players and secondly how shit the players are.

The club is being ran like a 90s semi professional team. The game has moved on so much these past 6/7 years. We need a bit more than a few triers and a physical team. We need athletes to compete.

The nostalgia within the fan base and ownership is costing us from becoming an established top flight team.
 
Hes done it once on a shoestring, he can do it again.
I'm not saying he will be the right man, if we by some miracle, get promoted again next season, but, his level is where we're heading, and I'm sure with a bit of wheeling and dealing, and his love of the club, he can atleast make us competitive next season.
 
We have played some could stuff at the beginning of the last three [and others] matches.

So CWAK are astute enough tactically and are able to motivate the squad

However as with Hecky the squad is not athletically robust enough to last more than 60m
and i don’t think any manager could change that

Re next season everything depends on what squad we mange to start the season with
 
By all accounts Wilder's call the other day with the Prince didn't go well. It started badly, because Zoom was down, so they had to use Puffin Party instead. And it ended badly when Wilder's Puffin told the Prince's Puffin to 'piss off'.
 
BalticBlade said:
By all accounts Wilder's call the other day with the Prince didn't go well. It started badly, because Zoom was down, so they had to use Puffin Party instead. And it ended badly when Wilder's Puffin told the Prince's Puffin to 'piss off'.
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Sounds like a lot of huffin and puffin then……
 
Possibly for the championship. Yes. Premier league, No !
 

  • Yes​

    Votes: 158 42.2%

  • No​

    Votes: 216 57.8%
I honestly can't believe the vote is that close after nearly 400 reactions.....there are obviously more die hard blinkered, rose tinted Wilder fan boys on here than I realised!

What have you seen that has convinced you that he can rebuild a squad good enough to challenge next season...And that is a serious question that requires better answers than, "he did it in 2019 so why can't he do it again".....
 

It’s a moot question really as the club won’t/cant support the required rebuild.

I’m sure Wilder would be more than capable of building a competitive Championship side to take us through this transitional period if he had a realistic level finances to compete.

He’ll be expected to get the best out of big money flops we can’t shift, academy kids and some unknowns from the Swedish league. Maybe a couple of free transfers like McNair thrown in.

Could Wilder achieve what he did 2016-2020? Probably not. It was a moment in time where everything came together perfectly for very little outlay (relatively speaking). The game has moved on.

If he gets us to finish lower mid table next season then he will have done well.
 
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