Confirmed - Wilder has been backed by the Board

[I should coco]

Oh yes, I forgot the line about people 'having an 'agenda' being wheeled out time and time again...
In your opinion, what is this 'agenda' all these people are supposed to have?

A pop at McCabe for not putting more than the £60m he has already leant the club. This from people who spend £300 a year on a season ticket and think it gives them the right to abuse him and demand more.

That then moves on to 'he won't sell up' and of course the Dolphin Killer / Vincent Tan / Venkys would all be much preferable to the local lad who saved us from going out of business early in the millenium.

 

[Booker4]

Having watched Charlton 3 times this season (I have a mate who’s a fan), from what I’ve seen of Holmes, I’m happy he seems to be no longer on our wanted list. Promises a lot but tries to hold onto the ball for longer than his ability will allow.

Fair enough mate, I haven't seen him now we're in the Championship but we know he has quality, but I think we've moved on now anyway but he is still someone I like.

 

[Booker4]

A pop at McCabe for not putting more than the £60m he has already leant the club. This from people who spend £300 a year on a season ticket and think it gives them the right to abuse him and demand more.

Can I just say, as someone who thinks we could have spent more than we have on player recruitment, that I really like McCabe and the Prince for that matter, we'e in very good hands and I also love the fact McCabe is a Unitedite. I find it very disappointing when fans of the same club, as we all are on here, are having a right go at someone they've never met, just because they have a difference in opinion. Crackers, its football at the end of the day, we're allowed to have different opinions without it being an agenda also!

 

[Booker4]

There are relegated teams with parachute payments every season. Thats how it works.

Aye I do know that Andy! I'm just saying that this could well be our best opportunity for many a year as the relegated teams are not strong and the teams already in it are not much, if any better than we are.

 

[RedandWhite]

We are in desperate need for another number 10. If anything happens to Duffy we will have lost our most creative player and I wonder where creativity will come from.

 

[Esablade]

A pop at McCabe for not putting more than the £60m he has already leant the club. This from people who spend £300 a year on a season ticket and think it gives them the right to abuse him and demand more.

That then moves on to 'he won't sell up' and of course the Dolphin Killer / Vincent Tan / Venkys would all be much preferable to the local lad who saved us from going out of business early in the millenium.

So more of an opinion than an agenda then.

Are you sure McCabe has put £60 million into the club?
The man himself has stated he's put in £90 million..not that you're fixated with budgets or owt...

 

[pommpey]

So more of an opinion than an agenda then.

Are you sure McCabe has put £60 million into the club?
The man himself has stated he's put in £90 million..not that you're fixated with budgets or owt...

Feller, like me, unless you have put £90m into SUFC you are not entitled to forward opinion on some quiet backwater forum on the internet. Anyone would think we are all board members with a vote. Anyone would think that any of our opinions - Desso, transfers, investment, tactics, marks out of ten, new scoreboard, colour of the cladding on the South Stand - means anything to the inner workings of the club. Does anyone think that McCabe, or anyone who is actually pulling the levers of operation, looks at this board or gives a fat fuck about what we think and put on here? If they did - if they actually took heed of any of our utterances on here - we'd be nowhere. I think people confuse and conflate the world of opinion and the world of real business. We are allowed to put forward our ten pennorth, whether we are shareholders, season ticket holders, casual supporters or not supporters at all. Its a free world. If people think we've invested well* in the JTW, then fine. If people think we haven't, then fine. It matters not a fat fuck to McCabe, Wilder, the team and really, not much else. Its harmless debate.

pommpey

*I think we have invested well

 

[MobileBlade]

A pop at McCabe for not putting more than the £60m he has already leant the club. This from people who spend £300 a year on a season ticket and think it gives them the right to abuse him and demand more.

That then moves on to 'he won't sell up' and of course the Dolphin Killer / Vincent Tan / Venkys would all be much preferable to the local lad who saved us from going out of business early in the millenium.

I don't think many of them are actually season ticket holders tbh.

 

[Sean Thornton]

 

[Booker4]

Feller, like me, unless you have put £90m into SUFC you are not entitled to forward opinion on some quiet backwater forum on the internet. Anyone would think we are all board members with a vote. Anyone would think that any of our opinions - Desso, transfers, investment, tactics, marks out of ten, new scoreboard, colour of the cladding on the South Stand - means anything to the inner workings of the club. Does anyone think that McCabe, or anyone who is actually pulling the levers of operation, looks at this board or gives a fat fuck about what we think and put on here? If they did - if they actually took heed of any of our utterances on here - we'd be nowhere. I think people confuse and conflate the world of opinion and the world of real business. We are allowed to put forward our ten pennorth, whether we are shareholders, season ticket holders, casual supporters or not supporters at all. Its a free world. If people think we've invested well* in the JTW, then fine. If people think we haven't, then fine. It matters not a fat fuck to McCabe, Wilder, the team and really, not much else. Its harmless debate.

pommpey

*I think we have invested well

Agree with all of that Pommpey, I haven't quite figured out why those that defend the budget and dismiss those that think its less than it could or should be, as you say, we're all entitled for an opinion its just that at the end of the day, nothing more. No one wants to see us spend beyond our means and end up in trouble either.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Agree with all of that Pommpey, I haven't quite figured out why those that defend the budget and dismiss those that think its less than it could or should be, as you say, we're all entitled for an opinion its just that at the end of the day, nothing more. No one wants to see us spend beyond our means and end up in trouble either.

You stated above you thought we "could"have spent more. Not particularly interested in how much more, but however much, where was it coming from? Thats the point. That's not closing the debate as as been claimed but a specific question about the source rather than how much.

 

[I should coco]

Not particularly interested in how much more, but however much, where was it coming from? Thats the point.

Don't waste your breath.

#spendsomemuneh

#spenditnow

 

[HoodedClaw]

Agree with all of that Pommpey, I haven't quite figured out why those that defend the budget and dismiss those that think its less than it could or should be, as you say, we're all entitled for an opinion its just that at the end of the day, nothing more. No one wants to see us spend beyond our means and end up in trouble either.

Sorry if you've already posted the answer Books, if the budget is less than it could or should be why do you think this may be the case? do you feel this is because the board are being tight or they can't afford it or maybe another reason?

Edit: Sorry posted and saw Seans post asking the same.

 

[Booker4]

You stated above you thought we "could"have spent more. Not particularly interested in how much more, but however much, where was it coming from? Thats the point. That's not closing the debate as as been claimed but a specific question about the source rather than how much.

I like everyone else mate, unless there privy to budget info, don't know how much we have in the bank, and I'm very much aware that the obvious answer for many is McCabe and the Prince and that doesn't seem to satisfy some. Can I just point out that the Prince was brought into to provide transfer funds specifically and regularly over the years our fan base has questioned that expenditure and because I'm doing that now and have suggested players that are considered beyond our price range that I'm anti the board, have an agenda etc! I mentioned Jack Marriot as if he is Harry Kane or something! I mean is he really beyond our price range at a few millions and its been well documented we our among the lowest spenders by people who know more than we do and quoted by Chris Wilder re wages.

I'm not saying we have to sign Marriott, it was just a suggestion of a player who is clearly beyond our current bidding power but why should he be. As I said before the ViewfromJohn Street summed up my views and saves me having to continually justify my opinion. I'm not alone in my view, but have being made to on here.

http://www.viewfromthejohnstreet.com/all-posts/2018/1/2/0pmbqrrc3qi0zjkqecvd3oktndfcfo

 

[Booker4]

Sorry if you've already posted the answer Books, if the budget is less than it could or should be why do you think this may be the case? do you feel this is because the board are being tight or they can't afford it or maybe another reason?

Edit: Sorry posted and saw Seans post asking the same.

No worries mate, rather than write the same stuff the ViewfromJoihnStreet sums it up in m view.

 

[Booker4]

Don't waste your breath.

#spendsomemuneh

#spenditnow

Why the hostility mate?! We're all Blades FFS!

 

[Sean Thornton]

I like everyone else mate, unless there privy to budget info, don't know how much we have in the bank, and I'm very much aware that the obvious answer for many is McCabe and the Prince and that doesn't seem to satisfy some. Can I just point out that the Prince was brought into to provide transfer funds specifically and regularly over the years our fan base has questioned that expenditure and because I'm doing that now and have suggested players that are considered beyond our price range that I'm anti the board, have an agenda etc! I mentioned Jack Marriot as if he is Harry Kane or something! I mean is he really beyond our price range at a few millions and its been well documented we our among the lowest spenders by people who know more than we do and quoted by Chris Wilder re wages.

I'm not saying we have to sign Marriott, it was just a suggestion of a player who is clearly beyond our current bidding power but why should he be. As I said before the ViewfromJohn Street summed up my views and saves me having to continually justify my opinion. I'm not alone in my view, but have being made to on here.

http://www.viewfromthejohnstreet.com/all-posts/2018/1/2/0pmbqrrc3qi0zjkqecvd3oktndfcfo

I've questioned what's happened to the Princes input several times recently so l'm certainly not trying to shut down the issue but shudda wudda cudda means very little. Others banging on about not knowing the budget ( der, we all know no one knows so that's moot) isn't an answer to where's the money coming from. Which is many peoples point - and where the thread has now got too - not what some want to to do, ruin the debate by consistently asking for figures which they know aren't there, because they have no other argument/are just sad wums with a dreaded agenda.

 

[I should coco]

Why the hostility mate?! We're all Blades FFS!

Sorry, not really aimed at you.

The usual suspects have turned up rubbishing the spend so far and McCabe by implication. For once they have got my goat.

I am now a master of Zen calm and will let it all wash over me.

As you say, we are all Blades (apart from the wankstain anti McCabe non believers who can't let it go and want new owners at any cost.)

 

[pommpey]

Sorry, not really aimed at you.

The usual suspects have turned up rubbishing the spend so far and McCabe by implication. For once they have got my goat.

I am now a master of Zen calm and will let it all wash over me.

As you say, we are all Blades (apart from the wankstain anti McCabe non believers who can't let it go and want new owners at any cost.)

'Wankstain Anti-McCabe non-believers'?

I don't think there's anyone who wants new owners.

pommpey

 

[Booker4]

Sorry, not really aimed at you.

The usual suspects have turned up rubbishing the spend so far and McCabe by implication. For once they have got my goat.

I am now a master of Zen calm and will let it all wash over me.

As you say, we are all Blades (apart from the wankstain anti McCabe non believers who can't let it go and want new owners at any cost.)

Fair enough mate, I'm actually pro McCabe and to a lesser extent the Prince, I fully recognise the good they've done and where we would be without McCabe I don't know, and I've said many pro comments on here about McCabe. I think the three loans and one permanent comment didn't inspire many Blades, given our position and potential for promotion and it appears that since the three loans and one permanent comment, that it clearly was an assumption from Andy Giddings and The Star - who also ran the story.

Since then we've spent more than I thought we would but also I don't think we've spent more than I would expect given the size of the club, the money we gained from sell ons and where we are in the league. People keep asking me, well how much do you think should be spent and I would say that I was hoping for more than players under a million; not because I want to say we've spent more than a million but often you get what you pay for and I was hoping maybe for one signing that really stood out as a quality addition and given the comments from Wilder it appears that he's not got bigger Championship budget. I wish I'd never said anything now to be honest, I didn't realise it would be such a controversial view that it appears to be!

 

[Booker4]

I've questioned what's happened to the Princes input several times recently so l'm certainly not trying to shut down the issue but shudda wudda cudda means very little. Others banging on about not knowing the budget ( der, we all know no one knows so that's moot) isn't an answer to where's the money coming from. Which is many peoples point - and where the thread has now got too - not what some want to to do, ruin the debate by consistently asking for figures which they know aren't there, because they have no other argument/are just sad wums with a dreaded agenda.

I've not noticed any WUM stuff unless that's supposed to be me mate?! Lol! As I keep saying we're all Blades and surely entitled to our opinion and as I said to Coco, I'm pleasantly surprised with signings this week, I don't want to say anymore mate than what I have, because clearly some don't agree with me, which is fine, but its just going round in circles now.

 

[ryza]

We've spent the scraps left over from the summer, which included the same money put aside for Leonard then.
Hopefully Wilder's picked up a couple of bargains and he continues working miracles but he's still, so far, not received the support he deserves.

Maybe he has received the support? These signings seem right for the level we're at. Wilder hasn't really been that manager to sign big names..

 

[Sean Thornton]

I've not noticed any WUM stuff unless that's supposed to be me mate?! Lol! As I keep saying we're all Blades and surely entitled to our opinion and as I said to Coco, I'm pleasantly surprised with signings this week, I don't want to say anymore mate than what I have, because clearly some don't agree with me, which is fine, but its just going round in circles now.

No, didn't mean you at all, sorry if I gave you that impression.
No wum stuff? Maybe you're just not as cynical as I can be.

 

[The Crab]

I once owned a Kevette, put me off Vauxhalls for life.

 

[MobileBlade]

People keep asking me, well how much do you think should be spent and I would say that I was hoping for more than players under a million; not because I want to say we've spent more than a million but often you get what you pay for

But there lies the crux of your argument that is incorrect. Just because a player costs £1million doesn't mean he is 33% better than a player who cost £750K. Similarly, just because a forward cost £10 million doesn't mean that he will score more goals than some journeyman from Bury who cost a couple of hundred grand. Yeah, when you step up to the next level you will need to pay more but then you will be saying we've only paid £5 million whilst Huddersfield are paying £11 million...... But by the same token, we are paying more now than we did last year.

 

[Darthblade]

Leonard (25 year old) - 3 1/2 year deal
Evans (23 year old) - 3 1/2 year deal
Wilson (22 year old) - Loan

We'll probably flog the family silver now, but these three are all young, pacey and exciting players.

Can't say that we've not added to what we have already.

What else do we need?

Over the years I have been one of the long-suffering supporters who has criticised our Board(s) for their appalling stewardship of the Club and the woeful transfer policy; both in and out.

I would like ( in the interests of fairness) to thank the current Board for backing Tufty in this transfer window. I don't know if Tufty has been given the budget that he asked for, nor do I expect that we will ever find out, but the incomings were needed desperately to strengthen a very thin squad in terms of quality, not quantity. I am also aware that the transfer window is still open and that there is speculation that we may bring in another at some point, which will also be welcome.

It is therefore only fair to give credit where it is due .......

I will just caveat that by saying that whilst the window is still open I'm ( cynically) concerned regarding any outgoings .......... Hanson & Whiteman out I can accept; I would hope that Carruthers will follow shortly and I suppose a handful of younger players on loan to further their development.

I'm more worried about ANY influential first team players being sacrificed to fund the incomings ........ if we make it to the end of the window without this happening ....... then I shall consider it to be a successful transfer window

UTB & FTP

 

[Sean Thornton]

£25.99 plus postage £5

Only one cap per wankstain.

 

[Booker4]

But there lies the crux of your argument that is incorrect. Just because a player costs £1million doesn't mean he is 33% better than a player who cost £750K. Similarly, just because a forward cost £10 million doesn't mean that he will score more goals than some journeyman from Bury who cost a couple of hundred grand. Yeah, when you step up to the next level you will need to pay more but then you will be saying we've only paid £5 million whilst Huddersfield are paying £11 million...... But by the same token, we are paying more now than we did last year.

Very true mate, I know that you don't necessarily get a better player, and I do appreciate that. I've tried justifying my views over many posts but it seems most disagree, which is fair enough, we all want the best for the club and I think the window so far has being excellent, despite what people might think I was saying.I'd have liked a forward with pace who has been doing well at League One or maybe even in the Championship, but I know that's not going to happen and loan wise, Wilson is probably as good as we could get.

 

[Bladesman]

Who are you hoping will go? We need to have a go at our own club so I’m afraid someone will have to be sacrificed.

I am hoping no one important goes.

 

[Pinchy]

Very true mate, I know that you don't necessarily get a better player, and I do appreciate that. I've tried justifying my views over many posts but it seems most disagree, which is fair enough, we all want the best for the club and I think the window so far has being excellent, despite what people might think I was saying.I'd have liked a forward with pace who has been doing well at League One or maybe even in the Championship, but I know that's not going to happen and loan wise, Wilson is probably as good as we could get.

As I think I’ve said before, to your credit you make your point without agenda or malice. You might want to look around, though, at some of the others in the voting lobby with you...