Confirmed - Wilder has been backed by the Board

[Tunstall Fred]

Yes, we’ve established that fact.
Speculate...have a guess.

If I'm saying £3 million for Jack Marriott,and Lewis Grabban is out of our price range,what is that telling you where I think our budgets lies,

And on that bombshell,into your kennel,Goodnight

 

[Tunstall Fred]

What support does he deserve ?
I would think Wilder is quite happy with the business hes done so far

Chicken feed

 

[Esablade]

If I'm saying £3 million for Jack Marriott,and Lewis Grabban is out of our price range,what is that telling you where I think our budgets lies,

And on that bombshell,into your kennel,Goodnight

You’re saying and demonstrating that you’ve haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about, and/or are afraid to state an opinion but that you like a bit of trolling...

 

[Pedro's Winger]

What support does he deserve ?
I would think Wilder is quite happy with the business hes done so far

More than shopping in the bargain basement.
I hope he'll still work the miracle and I hope we don't end up looking back on a missed opportunity.

 

[RealMcCoy]

Aye we spent that once and it didn't come off, admittedly. What I'm saying is that I don't think the board has backed Wilder as much as they can, I've spent ages saying why in previous posts. However, we have an amazing manager who has done exceptionally well with what he has and as a club its fantastic that we can say we haven't spent silly money like Wednesday and Derby have and the proof is there that it doesn't always work. All I'm saying is i think this window we have a golden opportunity to get promoted and I think signing someone like Ricky Holmes would probably cost over a million would be very much worth it. That's taking our spending to about 2.5 - million, its hardly big spending is it.

An in form fast forward would cost us maybe 2-3 million and again I think we'd not regret it, but saying all of that Wilder gets the best from what he has and knows football inside out and who can improve us.

Having watched Charlton 3 times this season (I have a mate who’s a fan), from what I’ve seen of Holmes, I’m happy he seems to be no longer on our wanted list. Promises a lot but tries to hold onto the ball for longer than his ability will allow.

 

[Pierre's PC]

In years to come, just like when Kennedy died people will ask where were you when Esablade brought general chat in to the Blades section?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Wilder has stated in interviews that we have a bottom five budget.Whether our new signings move us up the expenditure table will depend on what the rest of the league does in the transfer window. Of course nobody will care if we achieve our goals despite a low budget.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Leonard (25 year old) - 3 1/2 year deal
Evans (23 year old) - 3 1/2 year deal
Wilson (22 year old) - Loan

We'll probably flog the family silver now, but these three are all young, pacey and exciting players.

Can't say that we've not added to what we have already.

What else do we need?

Another centre forward?

Assuming Hanson is on his way out of the club (and he's not really good enough at this level anyway), we have no competition for Leon Clarke when it comes to a big centre forward who can provide a physical and aerial threat.

I don't know much about this guy Wilson. I know he's 6 foot tall, but skinny with it and I think he's been brought in to add pace, not a physical aerial presence particularly. If we lose Leon we don't have another player in the entire squad who can win a ball in the air up front or knock defenders around a bit.

 

[SwissBlade]

Another centre forward?

Assuming Hanson is on his way out of the club (and he's not really good enough at this level anyway), we have no competition for Leon Clarke when it comes to a big centre forward who can provide a physical and aerial threat.

I don't know much about this guy Wilson. I know he's 6 foot tall, but skinny with it and I think he's been brought in to add pace, not a physical aerial presence particularly. If we lose Leon we don't have another player in the entire squad who can win a ball in the air up front or knock defenders around a bit.

True, but Billy and Clayton are both able to play in the same slot as Leon, even if they play the role differently

 

[Pinchy]

It's two and a half million pounds sterling

It isn’t though. You’re trying to make facts fit the theory. You’re also assuming that there’ll be no further transfer activity. Why do you need to make a poor attempt to justify a fiction? It couldn’t be you have.... an agenda, could it?

 

[Pinchy]

Good signings.

Lets see who goes now.

Who are you hoping will go? We need to have a go at our own club so I’m afraid someone will have to be sacrificed.

 

[Pinchy]

True, but Billy and Clayton are both able to play in the same slot as Leon, even if they play the role differently

The idea that Clayton doesn’t knock defenders around will produce a wry smile from defenders who have had to deal with Clayton down the years...

 

[Pinchy]

Aye that is true Fred, many misinterpreted that, it could have gone either way, but thankfully we've got two permanent players.

How could it have gone either way? It was plain wrong but leapt upon as gospel by those who don’t like the club they claim to support because it suited the agenda. Let’s be clear about this. They’re still at it now, trying to make the figures fit the anti-club line.

 

[Pinchy]

Hi LJ, nice to debate this again! You never responded to my olive branch message to say we're all Blades and it appeared we weren't agreeing but that's football.

Anyway, what I said was Wilder didn't appear to be getting backed, with regards to one permanent and loans as you said. I'll admit the board have backed Wilder more than appeared to be the case and that's great, I'm chuffed with the signing of Evans. I'll not say anymore as you can see the message above I sent and I'd be just repeating myself.

UTB.

It only “appeared to be the case” to those who very much wanted it to be the case.

 

[The Crab]

Things have gone well since the club opted to stop using Crab Personal Sports Profiling.

Anyone want to buy a load of leeches and snakes and ladders games?

Someone called Delphon has been on the phone...................

 

[Pinchy]

I'm not saying we should spend silly money Sean, I've expressed my views and you've read them and know I'm not saying lets do a Derby, Wolves or Wednesday. We can't afford that, and it can go either way. However I believe we could have got Ricky Holmes in the summer and Leonard and we'd be higher than we are now. This window we've signed two very good players on paper and a decent loan signing but its clear from Wilders comments that we have a low budget, as expressed by many people, not just fans. I think if we'd gone for a couple of proven players now that it would be money well spent. I've said my views, you, Fred and LJ Blade said there's fair enough, there's nothing more to say.

And no question of the agenda pursuers either giving our club any credit or having the slightest understanding of our finances?

 

[Pinchy]

You appear quite opinionated and vocal on this matter...I had assumed you might have an actual clue as to what you’re talking about.

Neither do the Agenda brigade who want the budget to be as low as possible to suit the party line.

Those trying to make figures fit the theory haven’t a clue. As I’ve said before, very few know what the budget is and none of them post on message boards.

We haven’t finished recruiting yet, by the way, so all the random number crushing is somewhat premature.

Happy Jim White Day to all.

 

[Pinchy]

Found the sherry?

No. The “Leonard money”. Surely you remember which shoe box that was put in?

 

[Pinchy]

Yes, you contradicted yourself,and demonstrated your opinion of yourself.

I’ll try and help you out.

Do you think Wilder’s budget is in the bottom five teams in this league?

Do you? What do you intend to do about it?

 

[Fanny magnet]

It isn’t though. You’re trying to make facts fit the theory. You’re also assuming that there’ll be no further transfer activity. Why do you need to make a poor attempt to justify a fiction? It couldn’t be you have.... an agenda, could it?

All the above us bullshit
I'm actually expecting a couple more loans
Why don't you stop drinking petrol ?

 

[super_pig]

In years to come, just like when Kennedy died people will ask where were you when Esablade brought general chat in to the Blades section?

quality.. have a like mate

 

[Esablade]

Do you? What do you intend to do about it?

Yes, I reckon Wilder’s budget could be in the bottom five Championship teams this year...maybe between 10-12 million?

I reckon Bolton, Barnsley Millwall and Burton might be working with less/similar...can you suggest any other teams you think might have a lower budget than Wilder?

He’s doing a fantastic job ‘for a local lad’ eh?

What am I going to do about it?

Quite obviously, I’m going to discuss it on a discussion board once the trolls are cleared.

 

[Esablade]

Neither do the Agenda brigade who want the budget to be as low as possible to suit the party line.

Those trying to make figures fit the theory haven’t a clue. As I’ve said before, very few know what the budget is and none of them post on message boards.

We haven’t finished recruiting yet, by the way, so all the random number crushing is somewhat premature.

Happy Jim White Day to all.

Which has nothing to do with Tunstall Fred and the other Kevettes jumping on and trying shut down valid discussion by repeating a few cliches over and over and dishing out a little bit of abuse.

 

[I should coco]

I’m stating that I believe Wilder’s budget this year to be at the lower end of the Championship. (From what we’ve spent so far/wage bill last year)

I’m claiming it’s at the lower end of the Championship budgets.

Can't disagree with that.

Where do you think our budget lay in terms of other teams in the league?

Towards the bottom end.

Do you think Wilder’s budget is in the bottom five teams in this league?

Bottom five, not sure? Bottom 7 or 8, definitely.

Boro, Mackems, Villa, Norwich & Hull are all getting parachute payments.
Wolves, Derby, DirtyLeeds, Cardiff, Forest, Bristol C, Wendy, QPR, Fulham, Brentford, Preston, Brum & Reading have owners with far more ready cash then McCabe.
Dingles maybe but could be a Venky#2
That leaves us Ipswich, Bolton, Millwall & Burton

Probably bottom 5 then, on apparent ability to spend, based on our owners' relative wealth.

Yes, I reckon Wilder’s budget could be in the bottom five Championship teams this year...maybe between 10-12 million?

So you said and you are probably about right.

Are you likely to be repeating this claim, or can we now move on to the 'debate' you suggest you crave?

 

[Esablade]

Can't disagree with that.



Towards the bottom end.



Bottom five, not sure? Bottom 7 or 8, definitely.

Boro, Mackems, Villa, Norwich & Hull are all getting parachute payments.
Wolves, Derby, DirtyLeeds, Cardiff, Forest, Bristol C, Wendy, QPR, Fulham, Brentford, Preston, Brum & Reading have owners with far more ready cash then McCabe.
Dingles maybe but could be a Venky#2
That leaves us Ipswich, Bolton, Millwall & Burton

Probably bottom 5 then, on apparent ability to spend, based on our owners' relative wealth.



So you said and you are probably about right.

Are you likely to be repeating this claim, or can we now move on to the 'debate' you suggest you crave?

I don't crave any debate on this, this 'claim' is self evident to all but the blindest Kevette.

Personally I don't have that much of an issue with Wilder's budget this season...it's a sensible approach and I was happy to see how the core of the L1 squad did in the Championship this season as I thought they deserved that chance

We've had a bad blow with Coutts and now seen where we're lacking in quality in the overall squad.
As I've stated previously, budgets are set in the summer and while there may be some 'wiggle room' it will be next summer where we see the boards intention.

Who knows, perhaps that will be in the Prem!

UTB!

 

[I should coco]

As I've stated previously, budgets are set in the summer and while there may be some 'wiggle room' it will be next summer where we see the boards intention.

I don't get the fixation on budget.

Wendy have spent (or committed to) about £50-60m so far on transfers/agents fees/wages. Whilst it is clear that their budget is far higher than ours, who'd want to swap?

Spending £10m on a player, proves only that you can.

It does not guarantee he will fit into our team and style of play. I'd much rather CW/AK/PM spend £750k on a well scouted young lad with something to prove, than a 'star' who is just here for the money.

We've had a bad blow with Coutts and now seen where we're lacking in quality in the overall squad

Correct and our 'bonus' star of Brooks will also end up missing for over 3 months. We have now brought in some cover, although of course not all 3 will hit the ground running. Once again it is a case of trusting CW.

 

[Esablade]

I don't get the fixation on budget.

Wendy have spent (or committed to) about £50-60m so far on transfers/agents fees/wages. Whilst it is clear that their budget is far higher than ours, who'd want to swap?

Spending £10m on a player, proves only that you can.

It does not guarantee he will fit into our team and style of play. I'd much rather CW/AK/PM spend £750k on a well scouted young lad with something to prove, than a 'star' who is just here for the money.



Correct and our 'bonus' star of Brooks will also end up missing for over 3 months. We have now brought in some cover, although of course not all 3 will hit the ground running. Once again it is a case of trusting CW.

You contradict yourself somewhat by claiming not to get this 'fixation on budget' and then proceeding to quote how much t'pigs have spent and going on to make comparisons...

Everyone is interested in football budgets as often it's closely linked to success...they're even more interested when you get people working on relatively low budget's who are successful, yer Wilder, Bassett, Warnock up to a point...It's a great story as to how they do this.

Why can't people talk about United's budget, appreciate and acknowledge what a great job Wilder is doing on one of the lowest budgets in the league and then speculate as to what he'd do with a bit more cash without comparisons to what the pigs are doing, being called a pig, having the Kevettes try and shut down discussion?

 

[I should coco]

You contradict yourself somewhat by claiming not to get this 'fixation on budget' and then proceeding to quote how much t'pigs have spent and going on to make comparisons..

I don't contradict myself at all. I asked why people thought budgets so important when Wendy have far more than us and have spunked it on tripe. My point is that whether the budget is £5m, £25m or £50m is irrelevant. What is important is the ability to spend well.

Why can't people talk about United's budget, appreciate and acknowledge what a great job Wilder is doing on one of the lowest budgets in the league and then speculate as to what he'd do with a bit more cash without comparisons to what the pigs are doing, being called a pig, having the Kevettes try and shut down discussion?

Ah, the agenda is coming out now.

A 'bit more cash'? He's not going to get this under the current regime as they don't have it, so what's the point of shit stirring, sorry, discussing it?

It's not so much 'shutting down' the discussion, as not wanting to waste time on hypothetical projections and 'what if's'. Are you one of these people who has already earmarked which Ferrari they will buy, if they win the lottery?

Call me a Kevette all day long, but I prefer the term realist.

 

[Booker4]

And no question of the agenda pursuers either giving our club any credit or having the slightest understanding of our finances?

No agenda Pinchy. Your comments about not liking the club are ridiculous. People just see things differently on what is backing the manager to what they see as good average or not backed. I give the board credit for giving the funds for signing the players we've done but its nothing more than I would expect to be honest,m given we're now in the Championship and pushing for the play offs.

 

[Esablade]

I don't contradict myself at all. I asked why people thought budgets so important when Wendy have far more than us and have spunked it on tripe. My point is that whether the budget is £5m, £25m or £50m is irrelevant. What is important is the ability to spend well.

You asked why people fixate on budgets, then proceeded to fixate on t'pigs budget and compared it to Utd's...

Ah, the agenda is coming out now.

A 'bit more cash'? He's not going to get this under the current regime as they don't have it, so what's the point of shit stirring, sorry, discussing it?

It's not so much 'shutting down' the discussion, as not wanting to waste time on hypothetical projections and 'what if's'. Are you one of these people who has already earmarked which Ferrari they will buy, if they win the lottery?

Call me a Kevette all day long, but I prefer the term realist.

Oh yes, I forgot the line about people 'having an 'agenda' being wheeled out time and time again...
In your opinion, what is this 'agenda' that all these people are supposed to have?