[CONFIRMED] David Weir

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Bergen Blade said:
Whoever we go for, could and should we be asking for commitment to us long term even if offers from bigger/richer clubs come in?
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Absolutely. But only if we're prepared to offer the same commitment to stand by the manager during difficult times. You can't expect commitment to be a one way street.
 



Whoever United appoint would be a gamble. With players, I'd always rather see a younger lad make mistakes and learn from them (i.e. Long last season) than a more experienced failure (i.e. Simonsen, Howard) and I have the same opinion with managers. I like the idea of David Weir. Will command respect from his career with Rangers and Everton, was a leader of men on the pitch and possibly has good contacts. I know we're moving away from the loan system but people don't have issues with it for good players, it's the high number of dross we've had that is the problem. Loans like Forte are not good. If Weir can get a young, talented player from Manchester United or Everton on loan, that's a good thing - those clubs would trust Weir (therefore, more chance of a talent) to look after the player who would be motivated to perform for us because Weir will give his opinion back to Everton or Moyes.

Weir, whilst not exciting me and forcing cartwheels, would make me happy and would give me some optimism ahead of the season.
 
I said on some thread ages ago that I didn't want anyone who hasn't got experience as a manager as I didn't want anyone to learn from their mistakes at my club.

Having said that what with all the insipid names being bandied about over the last few weeks I feel that Weir might be a decent shout. He has had a good career with some decent clubs and has worked with/for some good managers/players. Hopefully he will have a good contact book.

I can't work out whether my stance has changed though or am I so tired reading/hearing about people who aren't right for the club.
If we get him he has my full support which tbh others with similiar experience might not of got.
 
with only cuts in budget, what manager with experience would take the job?
we're in a poor state, so whoever gets job needs luck!
 
If Weir is our next manager and you don't like the appointment you should fuck off to Meadowhall leave all us who think he is a great appointment to get behind him and go and support no matter how shit his team may turn out to be.;)
 
Sorry I can't see what all the fuss is about, what does he offer more than Morgan, Page or even Wally fuckin Downes ? Born leader ? could say that about all of them. Played at international level ? so did Page. Got his coaching badges ? I would imagine Wally has had his a good while longer. It might be an inspired choice then again it could be for any of them, we can't really say if it is good or bad until one gets the job and starts to make his mark on the team. At least I'd prefer him to Morgan but like Page or Downes he is very much an unknown.
 
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Sothall_Blade said:
For a start we're supposed to be getting away from the idea of loanees being preferred to our own youngsters.
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Sorry , but evcry team below the prem and those still getting prem fall out money , use loans to the max

a teams defined now by its luck in pulling a few decent loan players, in some teams its their onlychance of a bit of quality

we shall be as reliant on our quality of loanee as anyone

True we wont get Fallaini or van persie , but we might get a bit better quality than last years crap , sorry crop , no was right first time
 
metalblade said:
Sorry I can't see what all the fuss is about, what does he offer more than Morgan, Page or even Wally fuckin Downes ? Born leader ? could say that about all of them. Played at international level ? /quote]
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try had plenty of success
or he won lots of titles
then match v morgan
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Sorry but the "good connections" reason for appointing him his cobblers.
For a start we're supposed to be getting away from the idea of loanees being preferred to our own youngsters.
Secondly, there was nobody with better connections than Robson or Speed and how much good did it do them?
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Robson put together a very good squad, just didn't have a clue how to manage them !
 
He's the best of an unproven bunch in my opinion and I hope he takes the job. Someone with his knowledge of the game and leadership qualities is about our only chance of turning this mess around.

Besides.....Davie Weir's red and white army has a good ring to it.
 
ScoobBlade said:
Robson put together a very good squad, just didn't have a clue how to manage them !
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The only loanee he managed to secure through his "good connections" was Martin. His good pal Sir Alex obviously bent over backwards to help him there.

Big club managers are duty-bound to do what's best for their club and the best youngsters will be sent to play in the Championship. We might get the likes of Cofie but it won't be because we have connections. It's how the loan system works, any club can use it.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
He's the best of an unproven bunch in my opinion and I hope he takes the job. Someone with his knowledge of the game and leadership qualities is about our only chance of turning this mess around.

Besides.....Davie Weir's red and white army has a good ring to it.
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But why do we have to choose from an unproven bunch?
People should be asking questions about the poor wage we're offering and the reluctance to pay out compensation for the right man.
Davis at Crewe has shown he can do the job. Appointing him would be an almost risk-free option. What would it take to tempt him from Crewe? That's what the club should be looking at. Not, which of these rookies shall we gamble on.
 
As risks go this one is pretty well calculated. Weir is widely regarded as one of the best young coaches around and has spent the last 12 months coaching abroad aswell as Everton and soaking up knowledge from the best of the best all over Europe.

Had he not been joining us I'm in no doubt he'd be Old Trafford bound.

I, for one, am made up about this. I think he's in it for the long haul and I can see him taking us a long way.
 



Is he really widely regarded as one of the best young coaches around?
If there's been a buzz about him in the media, I must have missed it.
I don't remember anybody clamouring for him to get the job when we started looking.
Surely somebody would have suggested him if his work as Assistant to the Everton U21 manager was raising eyebrows throughout out the game.
 
If we're going down the novice route should we try and get the organ grinder instead of the monkey?efc__1368477791_stubbs.jpg
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
He's the best of an unproven bunch in my opinion and I hope he takes the job. Someone with his knowledge of the game and leadership qualities is about our only chance of turning this mess around.

Besides.....Davie Weir's red and white army has a good ring to it.
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We're the red and white army just needs a little tweek! :D
 
metalblade said:
Sorry I can't see what all the fuss is about, what does he offer more than Morgan, Page or even Wally fuckin Downes ? Born leader ? could say that about all of them. Played at international level ? so did Page. Got his coaching badges ? I would imagine Wally has had his a good while longer. It might be an inspired choice then again it could be for any of them, we can't really say if it is good or bad until one gets the job and starts to make his mark on the team. At least I'd prefer him to Morgan but like Page or Downes he is very much an unknown.
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Can't remember reading about Page, Morgan or Downes being interviewed at Goodison.

Or are they less desperate and/or more sensible than us.

Whelan has a short list at Wigan; how many on here are willing to go to the bookies and put money on Page, Morgan or Downes being on it?

Thought not.

NB.
Morgan was and is a legend but not management material at this moment.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
But why do we have to choose from an unproven bunch?
People should be asking questions about the poor wage we're offering and the reluctance to pay out compensation for the right man.
Davis at Crewe has shown he can do the job. Appointing him would be an almost risk-free option. What would it take to tempt him from Crewe? That's what the club should be looking at. Not, which of these rookies shall we gamble on.
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Davies would require compo that would take up a big percentage of the player budget - bad idea in our position
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Is he really widely regarded as one of the best young coaches around?
If there's been a buzz about him in the media, I must have missed it.
I don't remember anybody clamouring for him to get the job when we started looking.
Surely somebody would have suggested him if his work as Assistant to the Everton U21 manager was raising eyebrows throughout out the game.
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I've read and heard a lot about Evertons coaching set up recently. Most of it on the back of Moyes being in the media and its pretty much accepted that Moyes' success is recent years has been partly down to the way he only accepts the best when it comes to his backroom staff and coaching teams. I cant speak for others but I never mentioned any of them for SUFC because I thought any of them would be out of reach.

Incidentally, ask an Everton fan about the upturn in success of their U21s since Weir got involved.
 
Presty said:
I think he's in it for the long haul
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Hope so, but I remain more worried about the club's ability to think further than the end of next week. Winter made some positive noises in that regard recently, and if McCabe can just keep his oar out we might have a chance.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
But why do we have to choose from an unproven bunch?
People should be asking questions about the poor wage we're offering and the reluctance to pay out compensation for the right man.
Davis at Crewe has shown he can do the job. Appointing him would be an almost risk-free option. What would it take to tempt him from Crewe? That's what the club should be looking at. Not, which of these rookies shall we gamble on.
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We're a third division club that is down sizing it's budget. The only type of manager we are going to attract is an unproven. Ask yourself why McCall and Robinson turned it down? Their stock is high enough to attract interest from clubs in a better position than ours.

As for Davis I can't comment as he was seemingly never in the running. Perhaps the same again, stock is high, could do better. He attracted interest from Wolves for a start. Apart from all that you can't make people take the job when they don't want it!
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
We're a third division club that is down sizing it's budget. The only type of manager we are going to attract is an unproven. Ask yourself why McCall and Robinson turned it down? Their stock is high enough to attract interest from clubs in a better position than ours.

As for Davis I can't comment as he was seemingly never in the running. Perhaps the same again, stock is high, could do better. He attracted interest from Wolves for a start. Apart from all that you can't make people take the job when they don't want it!
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I suspect that their compo was coming out of the player budget was a big factor.

Weir having all the budget is a much better bet.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
I suspect that their compo was coming out of the player budget was a big factor.

Weir having all the budget is a much better bet.
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As long as we actually have a budget, i agree. Our transfer budget has a habit of vanishing due to a whole series of convenient and laughable excuses.

He seems a safe gamble, if there is such a thing. Someone like Curle could crash and burn and be sacked withing 6 months, but this geeeeeezer sounds like he's a bit of a steady eddie tactics and motivator kinda chap. He should command respect more than any of the other (realistic) candidates. It looks more like a plan than a quick fix. Though obviously it's all guesswork until we see if we actually get some new players.
 
KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
As long as we actually have a budget, i agree. Our transfer budget has a habit of vanishing due to a whole series of convenient and laughable excuses.

He seems a safe gamble, if there is such a thing. Someone like Curle could crash and burn and be sacked withing 6 months, but this geeeeeezer sounds like he's a bit of a steady eddie tactics and motivator kinda chap. He should command respect more than any of the other (realistic) candidates. It looks more like a plan than a quick fix. Though obviously it's all guesswork until we see if we actually get some new players.
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I'm taking about the player budget not transfer budget.
He would be looking at 2K/week if we had to pay compo. have

Previously covered it but 20 players on 2.5k/week is good at 3rd division level.
Chuck in the academy and Weirs got a good job and time and space to operate in.
Could be the difference between promotion or not?
[If we don't go up but we see how the culture and style of play changes then promotion is not as important in the first year, 3rd year it becomes a problem but that's for the future].
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
I'm taking about the player budget not transfer budget.
He would be looking at 2K/week if we had to pay compo. have

Previously covered it but 20 players on 2.5k/week is good at 3rd division level.
Chuck in the academy and Weirs got a good job and time and space to operate in.
Could be the difference between promotion or not?
[If we don't go up but we see how the culture and style of play changes then promotion is not as important in the first year, 3rd year it becomes a problem but that's for the future].
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But we don't have 20 players? We barely have 11 players who will be on 2k a week. Unless we have some transfer budget, we're going to need a miracle to build a squad.
 



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