Chris Wilder new contract

[metalblade]

I’m not overly enamoured by this news. Apologies for having an opinion that differs from yours. I’ve stated previously why I don’t think Wilder is the best long term manager for us, fully appreciate there are others who disagree with me, my reasons are:

- I don’t think Wilder is the man to spend money on the rebuild we need, he’s a wheeler dealer and has done much better with little or no money available.

- I don’t like his approach to foreign signings (or his lack of foreign signings), I don’t think he can hide behind the ‘culture’ argument for much longer, he bottled lightning with the L1 to 9th placed PL team, it’s unlikely to happen again without broadening his horizons a bit.

- I don’t think he’s going anywhere because his reputation in the game above our level is non-existent after Boro and Watford.

- The current football we’re playing is attritional and boring, Hecky’s promotion season was said to be dull, this is much worse. Granted, Hecky had Ndiaye.

He’s my favourite Blades manager in my 30+ years of watching the Blades but I don’t think Wilder mk2 is anything special and I’m convinced that it’s parochiality that causes a lot of our fans to be blinkered when it comes to his failings.

Got to agree with most of that Wilder seems to excel when he goes into clubs and does a total rebuild, yes it is working so far this season even if the performances have been less than convincing. Just of late some of the old Wilder traits are starting to show again, like his stubbornness, why would you play Burrows in midfield for a third time when after two it is clear it isn't working.
Bringing BBD back is a good move but I'm yet to be convinced Cannon is worth anything close to £10m and Choudhury is a poor signing if you believe all his reviews from Leicester and Watford fans, I hope it is sour grapes. I'm yet to be convinced Wilder has a plan B or can change tactics mid game other than throwing every striker on and hoping one of them scores.
Still Blades fans love an up and at em style manager and cloggers over skilled players and superior tactics. We outrun and outfight but rarely outplay the opposition. When we come up against teams that work as hard as us we struggle and better technical teams beat us. Runnin abaht as Wilder calls it is not always enough in this division and it certainly isn't in the division above, can he adapt or is he stuck in his ways?

 

[CornwallBlade]

Two and a half years is hardly excessive..

3 1/2?

 

[Blade56]

Congratulations for taking what I said out of context

Sorry GCH, it was an open net I couldn’t resist

 

[Danetheblade]

I’m not overly enamoured by this news. Apologies for having an opinion that differs from yours. I’ve stated previously why I don’t think Wilder is the best long term manager for us, fully appreciate there are others who disagree with me, my reasons are:

- I don’t think Wilder is the man to spend money on the rebuild we need, he’s a wheeler dealer and has done much better with little or no money available.

- I don’t like his approach to foreign signings (or his lack of foreign signings), I don’t think he can hide behind the ‘culture’ argument for much longer, he bottled lightning with the L1 to 9th placed PL team, it’s unlikely to happen again without broadening his horizons a bit.

- I don’t think he’s going anywhere because his reputation in the game above our level is non-existent after Boro and Watford.

- The current football we’re playing is attritional and boring, Hecky’s promotion season was said to be dull, this is much worse. Granted, Hecky had Ndiaye.

He’s my favourite Blades manager in my 30+ years of watching the Blades but I don’t think Wilder mk2 is anything special and I’m convinced that it’s parochiality that causes a lot of our fans to be blinkered when it comes to his failings.

Fully agree.

 

[Blade56]

Still Blades fans love an up and at em style manager and cloggers over skilled players and superior tactics.

I don’t FFS

 

[Blade56]

Can’t believe we didn’t put in a cheeky bid for Emery personally.

No, won’t bite but there's an obvious quip there!

 

[JayGreen17]

Sorry, but first missed step by the owners, should have seen where we are after this season, I seriously have my doubts about is going up with all the injuries, large turnover of the team mid season and also wilders inability to have a plan B.C….. and buying round players for square holes…. Add to that not having a replacement in for Soutts as a priority..

I do hope there’s break clauses in this contract.

 

[SUFCinks]

I would’ve extended but only by a year. I don’t think his transfer approach is good, nor his style of football.
Based on his current signings and style of football a full rebuild & rethink is required if we go up as neither will cut it.

 

[Lowen]

Couldn’t have been more against him coming back but now fully back onboard, although probably not as much as I was when we could’ve lost all 38 PL games and I still would’ve wanted him to remain in charge.

 

[Charlieblade]

I’m not overly enamoured by this news. Apologies for having an opinion that differs from yours. I’ve stated previously why I don’t think Wilder is the best long term manager for us, fully appreciate there are others who disagree with me, my reasons are:

- I don’t think Wilder is the man to spend money on the rebuild we need, he’s a wheeler dealer and has done much better with little or no money available.

- I don’t like his approach to foreign signings (or his lack of foreign signings), I don’t think he can hide behind the ‘culture’ argument for much longer, he bottled lightning with the L1 to 9th placed PL team, it’s unlikely to happen again without broadening his horizons a bit.

- I don’t think he’s going anywhere because his reputation in the game above our level is non-existent after Boro and Watford.

- The current football we’re playing is attritional and boring, Hecky’s promotion season was said to be dull, this is much worse. Granted, Hecky had Ndiaye.

He’s my favourite Blades manager in my 30+ years of watching the Blades but I don’t think Wilder mk2 is anything special and I’m convinced that it’s parochiality that causes a lot of our fans to be blinkered when it comes to his failings.

I agree with this assessment.
Wilder has done very well for the club, especially introducing younger players into the first team squad, following a 2 point deduction.
The rebuild was remarkable because it was unfinished business due to the owner lacking the funds to complete it.
My only reservation is that awarding Wilder a long contract now, could easily mean the end of our transfer window.
The situation has changed and Wilder needs to change with it. Continue to develop our academy and youth players, but adjust our team selection and tactics, and substitutions accordingly. The loss of Arblaster and the calming reassurance offered by Souttar, is still holding the club and the manager back.
Replace those key losses and use the funding and data offered by the new owners. Buying a new RB, and moving Gilchrist to CB is not the answer. Times have changed and Wilder needs to move with those times.
Yes, he has done well so far with the rebuild, but that early success is harmed by the long term injuries to Arblaster and Souttar. The clubs performances versus points gained do not reflect a long term success. Wilder needs to move the club style and effort into more urgent style backed by the integration of new players. Time will tell!

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Two and a half years is hardly excessive..

Bet Cheesebored wish he never posted this comment

 

[Cheesebored]

Bet Cheesebored wish he never posted this comment

3 years is hardly excessive

 

[YES Blade]

What should we have done instead? Offer all our managers going forward 6 month contracts?

It all depends on the manager…..

A young up and coming manager that has the potential to move to a top club, you give a long contract.

With Wilder, he’s not going to get any better offers so he only needs 1 or 2 years. Anything longer and you’re risking wasting money to pay him off.

 

[The Crab]

Just think timings a tad off. After Friday's debacle. Still smarts.

Friday was a debacle, but (for now at least) a glitch rather than a pattern.

We don’t know the specifics of the new contract but I’d like to think there are appropriate clauses in it to protect the club from what happened last time.

 

[Pintor75]

Would have waited till end of season and decided then, he's not been touted by other clubs, but deal is done, let get behind them and hope they go up

 

[Bladezz]

Needlessly excessive. He's likely going to get another big payout within a year or so

I would have given them a 10 year deal.

Think it’s a little light.

 

[Blade56]

I agree with this assessment.
Wilder has done very well for the club, especially introducing younger players into the first team squad, following a 2 point deduction.
The rebuild was remarkable because it was unfinished business due to the owner lacking the funds to complete it.
My only reservation is that awarding Wilder a long contract now, could easily mean the end of our transfer window.
The situation has changed and Wilder needs to change with it. Continue to develop our academy and youth players, but adjust our team selection and tactics, and substitutions accordingly. The loss of Arblaster and the calming reassurance offered by Souttar, is still holding the club and the manager back.
Replace those key losses and use the funding and data offered by the new owners. Buying a new RB, and moving Gilchrist to CB is not the answer. Times have changed and Wilder needs to move with those times.
Yes, he has done well so far with the rebuild, but that early success is harmed by the long term injuries to Arblaster and Souttar. The clubs performances versus points gained do not reflect a long term success. Wilder needs to move the club style and effort into more urgent style backed by the integration of new players. Time will tell!

I just can’t get past this comment….
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[Bladezz]

Would have waited till end of season and decided then, he's not been touted by other clubs, but deal is done, let get behind them and hope they go up

Why would he be touted by other clubs?

The teams that would be interested are Championship teams. None of them could ever prize him away from us.

Bottom 5 or so Premier League teams would potentially be interested. But with the position Blades are in why would he move?

Is he going to get a top 15 Premier League job? Highly unlikely.

It’s the same for Blades as a club. We have found our current level and hopefully we can move slightly up in the football pyramid but will take many years. Same for Wilder.

 

[Blade56]

Why would he be touted by other clubs?

The teams that would be interested are Championship teams. None of them could ever prize him away from us.

Bottom 5 or so Premier League teams would potentially be interested. But with the position Blades are in why would he move?

Is he going to get a top 15 Premier League job? Highly unlikely.

It’s the same for Blades as a club. We have found our current level and hopefully we can move slightly up in the football pyramid but will take many years. Same for Wilder.

And there’s zero chance of him going to a forrin club so a long contract is imo naive by new owners

 

[MobileBlade]

Or could the new owners just be saying we have been watching what you have achieved through a long take over process and how you have turned things around. This is your reward. Thank you.

 

[Bladezz]

And there’s zero chance of him going to a forrin club so a long contract is imo naive by new owners

You would destroy any morale. Players are signing due to Wilder as they all come out and say it. Having stability is something we need.

We are second in the table after a huge summer overhaul and transfer profit.

You may dislike Wilder but trying to justify your dislike is hilarious.

 

[Blade56]

You would destroy any morale. Players are signing due to Wilder as they all come out and say it. Having stability is something we need.

We are second in the table after a huge summer overhaul and transfer profit.

You may dislike Wilder but trying to justify your dislike is hilarious.

You’re confusing dislike with appropriateness. I don’t dislike Wilder and I think he’s brilliant at what he does now but I don’t believe he is appropriate long term for where I want SUFC to go.

Issue I have is what each fans vision for the club?

Mine is along the lines of Forest, Brighton and Villa developing to be a top 6-8 consistently with a modern manager backed by the right owners utilising modern methods and a mix of players capable of exciting technical football. And dare I say even some silverware.

Many fans idolise Wilder for his past achievements, happy to be fighting it out for a top 2 but happy with the journey rather than getting back to PL cause we will get hammered again. They love his current almost miraculous league position even though performances have been uninspiring and definitely declining last few games. They love a gritty battling side of players that Wilder can get to play beyond their best. Like many fans they love that he’s down with the fans, gets us, gets the club, gets pissed as fans do in public and is red and white all the way through.

Please don’t tell me who I “dislike” in your confusion of where I see the club going and who I think is the right person to take us there. I like Wilder and am 100% behind his effort but just don’t see him long term capable of taking the club where I’d like to see it before I check out.

 

[Silent Blade]

Can’t believe we didn’t put in a cheeky bid for Emery personally.

 

[TJ blade]

Sorry, but first missed step by the owners, should have seen where we are after this season, I seriously have my doubts about is going up with all the injuries, large turnover of the team mid season and also wilders inability to have a plan B.C….. and buying round players for square holes…. Add to that not having a replacement in for Soutts as a priority..

I do hope there’s break clauses in this contract.

Only my opinion. But contracts probably don't mean a thing in football, it's all about results & progress, say Wilder takes us up, and then we get our arses kicked again, he's probably out before Xmas, I'm certainly worried about recruitment, his insistence to play players out of position even when it's apparently not working, as for the signing of Cannon, when he came with stoke, I didn't even know he was on the pitch! Obviously we have to give Tom & the rest of them a chance. Sometimes though , it's not the players what are worrying me it's the Manager with his seemingly lack of ideas & tactics, hope I'm wrong and have to come back on here and apologise. We need a big reaction at Derby on Saturday.

 

[Bladezz]

You’re confusing dislike with appropriateness. I don’t dislike Wilder and I think he’s brilliant at what he does now but I don’t believe he is appropriate long term for where I want SUFC to go.

Issue I have is what each fans vision for the club?

Mine is along the lines of Forest, Brighton and Villa developing to be a top 6-8 consistently with a modern manager backed by the right owners utilising modern methods and a mix of players capable of exciting technical football. And dare I say even some silverware.

Many fans idolise Wilder for his past achievements, happy to be fighting it out for a top 2 but happy with the journey rather than getting back to PL cause we will get hammered again. They love his current almost miraculous league position even though performances have been uninspiring and definitely declining last few games. They love a gritty battling side of players that Wilder can get to play beyond their best. Like many fans they love that he’s down with the fans, gets us, gets the club, gets pissed as fans do in public and is red and white all the way through.

Please don’t tell me who I “dislike” in your confusion of where I see the club going and who I think is the right person to take us there. I like Wilder and am 100% behind his effort but just don’t see him long term capable of taking the club where I’d like to see it before I check out.

You’re confusing dislike with appropriateness. I don’t dislike Wilder and I think he’s brilliant at what he does now but I don’t believe he is appropriate long term for where I want SUFC to go.

Issue I have is what each fans vision for the club?

Mine is along the lines of Forest, Brighton and Villa developing to be a top 6-8 consistently with a modern manager backed by the right owners utilising modern methods and a mix of players capable of exciting technical football. And dare I say even some silverware.

Many fans idolise Wilder for his past achievements, happy to be fighting it out for a top 2 but happy with the journey rather than getting back to PL cause we will get hammered again. They love his current almost miraculous league position even though performances have been uninspiring and definitely declining last few games. They love a gritty battling side of players that Wilder can get to play beyond their best. Like many fans they love that he’s down with the fans, gets us, gets the club, gets pissed as fans do in public and is red and white all the way through.

Please don’t tell me who I “dislike” in your confusion of where I see the club going and who I think is the right person to take us there. I like Wilder and am 100% behind his effort but just don’t see him long term capable of taking the club where I’d like to see it before I check out.

You want Sheffield United to be a top 6-8 Club.

That will take 10+ years. We aren’t anywhere near the same size as Villa or Nottingham Forest. Your delusional.

If you think giving a manager a 2 and half year deal ends our chances of being a top 8 premier league club then your going to be very disappointed.

 

[YES Blade]

You want Sheffield United to be a top 6-8 Club.

That will take 10+ years. We aren’t anywhere near the same size as Villa or Nottingham Forest. Your delusional.

If you think giving a manager a 2 and half year deal ends our chances of being a top 8 premier league club then your going to be very disappointed.

Is this the same Forest that up until 3 years ago spent 23 years outside the Premier League? Yeah massive club

 

[Pintor75]

Why would he be touted by other clubs?

The teams that would be interested are Championship teams. None of them could ever prize him away from us.

Bottom 5 or so Premier League teams would potentially be interested. But with the position Blades are in why would he move?

Is he going to get a top 15 Premier League job? Highly unlikely.

It’s the same for Blades as a club. We have found our current level and hopefully we can move slightly up in the football pyramid but will take many years. Same for Wilder.

That's exactly what I'm saying, why rush into a contract when he's not going to leave, I know you're a fan ,but it's just my opinion, no offence

 

[Bladezz]

That's exactly what I'm saying, why rush into a contract when he's not going to leave, I know you're a fan ,but it's just my opinion, no offence

We couldn’t have rushed any less into a new contract!? The man had 5 months left of his contract. Players are signing for the club to play for him. He brings stability to our club.

I am a fan that’s correct.

 

[jt64]

My concern for this is what it means for potential much needed changes and improvements to the club's player scouting and recruitment processes. Those are much more important than whoever is coaching the first team, and need a great degree of separation from each other. I can't see a situation where Wilder signs on to 2028 and also agrees to be much more hands off recruitment going forward. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

My concern for this is what it means for potential much needed changes and improvements to the club's player scouting and recruitment processes. Those are much more important than whoever is coaching the first team, and need a great degree of separation from each other. I can't see a situation where Wilder signs on to 2028 and also agrees to be much more hands off recruitment going forward. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

I think that's exactly what's going to happen to be honest, I don't see him having much say on transfers after this window. From what owners have said so far about scouting, data etc it seems clear to me that CW will be in more of a head coach role once they get that department up and running, whatever his job title.

For me he has more than earned a new contract in his work since the summer. Granted offers aren't coming in for him and he probably wouldn't accept them if they were, but he shouldn't be penalised for his loyalty to the club.