Cheerio Hecky

[Russtheblade]

8 losses from 9 including an 8-0. Don’t care what league, that’s sacking form.

I seem to recall Hecky being given a 5 year contract to see out come what may? We could relieve him of 1st team responsibilities & reinstate him as academy head on the same terms,otherwise he's going nowhere

 

[Balham]

What can Wilder realistically do different to the same playing squad. According to the Yorkshire Post the total squads value was £91 million in July 2023 when you add up Brewster, McBurnie and Berge (at the time) that doesn't leave much split across the rest of the squad. Appreciate those figures will be a little out now. To turn this around you could throw another £100 million at the squad and it still probably not be enough, such is the strength in depth that is lacking. Could be even £200 million.

Presuming that the squad valuation is based on transfer fees paid we're currently sitting at just over £100m, 2/3 of which is tied up in four players: Brewster £18.5m, Archer £18m, McBurnie £17m & Hamer £11m. Taking a simplistic estimate of their book values at the end of September (simplifying the process a bit as I don't have all the details) gives a carrying value of around £55m, 75% of which is again tied up in four players but this time it's Archer (£17.6m), Hamer (£10.7m), Brewster (£6.8m) and Souza (£6.5m).

£55m bought Manchester United Mason Mount in the last year of his Chelsea contract. It's what Manchester City paid for Matheus Nunes (including the Doyle discount) or half of what Arsenal paid for Declan Rice. It's £5m less than Liverpool paid for Dominik Szoboszlai. It's also only £10m more than mid-table West Ham will eventually pay for Mohamed Kudus and relegation rivals Wolves paid for Matheus Cunha.

We have brought a water pistol to a gunfight.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Ndiaye bailed us out many times last season on his own. McAtee and Doyle into the middle stopped the sudden slide from a 12 point lead when they came in.

16 points clear. He's not Pep and he may well not be up to what is a near impossible job. But he deserves more respect than he's currently getting. This revisionist history that the team were promoted in spite of him is bollocks

 

[bladesadviser]

If we’re going to build get the Ipswich manager in.

The Ipswich manager isn't coming here, he is going to be promoted with Ipswich and will get better backing than Hecky. He has just moved his family from the North west to Suffolk, he also turned down Brighton when Potter left for Chelsea

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don't hold court in the suites or anywhere else. The CEO of United World said obviously SUFC are obviously the revenue driver to United World. He added the other 4 clubs can help us by sending their best player (s) and as another example giving us free IT advice. Tell me which marvellous players have we been gifted by the other 4 clubs ? Also I'm positive we don't need any IT advice from them. Basically I believe we would be a better team & have a better squad if all SUFC earned revenue was spent on SUFC. Abdullah says we've had £100 M back from the United World Pot & to be fair he hasnt claimed he's spent any of his own personal money. I believe United World benefits the other 4 inferior clubs but obviously we lose out being the dreaded revenue driver.

Not what I’ve heard.

But let’s stick to the point about you reading the accounts. The dealings with United World/associated businesses are declared so you either haven’t read them or don’t understand them.

£100m from United World? £100m towards how many years? Where’s the rest of the money come from to pay the bills?

The Prince hasn’t claimed he’s spent his own money? Who has funded the share issues then? There’s this thing called double entry book-keeping which often goes with joined up thinking. You seem to be devoid of understanding either. Your dislike of the owner is making you look very silly with your ill informed comments.

 

[ChrisDysonHT]

The best Wilder is going to get now after 3 failures and sackings is a League One side. He's basically got to rebuild his rep. He won't get big wages or a big club really. Maybe a side like Derby take a chance but if he ever wants to be a manager again he has to do it the hard way. There's been lots of managers like Eoin Coyle, Paul Jewell etc who were lauded for a period then just disappeared without trace. He will know if he fails at his next job he is done really unless he goes right into LG 2 or non league.

I guess Wilder will think he's nowt to lose and may aswell pick up a good salary and have a go with us but in terms of his reputation if he came back and it went wrong and he ends up with the chippy comments and arrogant interviews then he will really sour himself with the fans of his own club and city.

It would be a ballsy move (salary aside) to come back and risk his legacy completely. Yes that original spell was amazing but if he returned and we continue to stink up the league (which I feel we would no matter who was manager) it would effectively end his career and maybe kill his reputation in the city.

I think he and United would be unwise to reunite but if Hecky is sacked not sure there is any obvious replacements. Is Robins or McKenna (won't come I feel) that much better than Hecky?

If we took Warnock for 6 months, it would be a laugh and at least but we'd see some fight and organisation.

It does seem like an impossible job. I think a new manager would get some uplift but not sure the results would change. The players,/squad is not up to this level at all.

The owner is playing at selling the club. If really wanted to sell, he would lower the price. Its only worth what someone is willing to pay. Currently seems we have no interest and the worth is dropping vy millions a week with every loss.

It seems promotion has given us that short term financial buffer but we've just kicked the can down the road for a few seasons.

6 months for #Warnock for me ... he would get us to 13 points ... get the Tv cameras in as well, be great to hear him giving them a rollocking ... then get Mark Robbins in

 

[Bladezz]

Coventry fans love him and he's done an incredibly job there. You wouldn't take him?
Rosenior and Carrick are extremely raw, Cov are 16th but Boro are only 2 points ahead of them

People don't talk about that part of the job he did at Boro, it's when he had his first full season and had them in the relegation zone.

What are you on about?

Your whole argument is based on Robins being 16th is good. When I named two managers out performing him?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Question: As a fanbase, are we too levelheaded, too reasonable, too loyal to our club hierarchy and too accepting of our fate to sustain a modestly successful team in the Premier league. Professional football can be a stupidly crazy environment, where owners and fans expect and demand their teams to be much better than they realistically are…But the Prem clubs with the most loyal revered fanbases can also be the most toxic and if they want a regime change or simply want to replace the manager, they vent their frustrations.
I’m just fed up of the Blades being the Premier leagues “happy tourists” and the novelty act that comes to visit every so often, but doesn’t really belong there. It’s also very galling to see many clubs our size and smaller attract the necessary investment and make a good fist of it in the top flight.
I know we joke about car park protests, but do we need to be more demanding and more critical of our club’s decisions to try and drive it forward?

Yes, we have been fed the party line time after time and it’s become the norm just to accept it now.

Some of our fans even make excuses for every regime based on what they are fed.

We will never achieve anything while we have this level of compliance amongst the fan base.

 

[Slim Man]

Your whole argument is based on Robins being 16th is good. When I named two managers out performing him?

He’s 16th… in October having lost his 2 most important players I don’t know what point you’re trying to make but it’s not a good one

 

[Balham]

He’s 16th… in October having lost his 2 most important players I don’t know what point you’re trying to make but it’s not a good one

He's 16th having spent, by Coventry's standards, a fortune (over £25m!) in the summer. He will be under significant pressure at Christmas if they're not in the top 6.

 

[Slim Man]

He's 16th having spent, by Coventry's standards, a fortune (over £25m!) in the summer. He will be under significant pressure at Christmas if they're not in the top 6.

£20m he's basically generated by bringing on Gyokores and Hamer so much
May I also add it's October

 

[vas borbokis]

Unless someone with money to burn shows interest in owning us, we will never be more than fleeting visitors to the top league.
The difference in ability of the players we can afford is never going to match up on our budgets. Can't understand why people think this can change by changing the manager. It's a fantasy world and will remain so unless we get our own wealthy fairy godfather.
We fans just need to stop getting so worked up about it and give the boys we do have working for us the best support we can muster, so they and we can maximise what we have, instead of running everyone down so they don't want to give their all.
Not saying fans are the problem, but many, particularly on here constantly calling for change, are not helping at all. Quite the opposite.
The only sustainable model on our budgets is to yo yo. If we chuck away all the folk punching above their weight for us to get us promoted when we get back in the championship, we will end up back in league 1, and maybe down there or even lower for many years.
We have great staff for our financial level. People that care, have history with us and give everything for the club. Let's not pour petrol on it!

 

[Bladezz]

He’s 16th… in October having lost his 2 most important players I don’t know what point you’re trying to make but it’s not a good one

I’m struggling terribly with your point of Robins is a manager that should be anywhere near us.

He’s 16th in the Championship and looks like he was carried by Gyokeres. Now he’s not got a top striker they don’t seem to be anywhere near the level.

There are plenty of better managers than Robins.

 

[Bladezz]

I seem to recall Hecky being given a 5 year contract to see out come what may? We could relieve him of 1st team responsibilities & reinstate him as academy head on the same terms,otherwise he's going nowhere

The naivety on this post is incredible.

 

[Slim Man]

I’m struggling terribly with your point of Robins is a manager that should be anywhere near us.

He’s 16th in the Championship and looks like he was carried by Gyokeres. Now he’s not got a top striker they don’t seem to be anywhere near the level.

There are plenty of better managers than Robins.

Take away anyones 30 goal a season man and see what happens to them... it's hardly rocket science is it?

There are better managers than Robins, but he's done an incredible job at Coventry with basically no funds and constant uncertainty at board level. He's got more in common with what's going on at United than anyone else we could appoint bar your lord and saviour Chris Wilder who should be nowhere near the job.

The fact he's thrived under those circumstances and still managed to get that side to within a penalty shoot-out of PL football is remarkable. He would be a far better replacement for Hecky than 99% of those in the betting, and the other 1% would be unattainable.

 

[Balham]

£20m he's basically generated by bringing on Gyokores and Hamer so much
May I also add it's October

Maybe he got lucky with Gyokores and Hamer like we did with Ndiaye and Berge? Yes, it's October but it's also over a quarter of the way through the Championship season and you're recommending a manager who's averaging just over a point a game at that level to save us at the next level up. It's a bit daft.

Coventry's transfer spend in the summer was the third highest in the division (behind Leicester and Leeds). Ours was fourth lowest in the PL, behind Luton (net spend higher than us), Palace (net spend higher than us) and Everton (financial basket case). We had a weak squad to begin with and we've at best traded like for like rather than strengthening. I'm not sure how a midtable Championship manager is going to improve the situation.

Take away anyones 30 goal a season man and see what happens to them... it's hardly rocket science is it?

There are better managers than Robins, but he's done an incredible job at Coventry with basically no funds and constant uncertainty at board level. He's got more in common with what's going on at United than anyone else we could appoint bar your lord and saviour Chris Wilder who should be nowhere near the job.

The fact he's thrived under those circumstances and still managed to get that side to within a penalty shoot-out of PL football is remarkable. He would be a far better replacement for Hecky than 99% of those in the betting, and the other 1% would be unattainable.

Heckingbottom got us to within a shootout of a play off final which we would have had a good chance of winning, despite our awful record in finals. He then got us promoted automatically the following season and at no stage were we languishing in the bottom half...even in October.

 

[Bladezz]

Take away anyones 30 goal a season man and see what happens to them... it's hardly rocket science is it?

There are better managers than Robins, but he's done an incredible job at Coventry with basically no funds and constant uncertainty at board level. He's got more in common with what's going on at United than anyone else we could appoint bar your lord and saviour Chris Wilder who should be nowhere near the job.

The fact he's thrived under those circumstances and still managed to get that side to within a penalty shoot-out of PL football is remarkable. He would be a far better replacement for Hecky than 99% of those in the betting, and the other 1% would be unattainable.

Fortunately for SUFC your not in charge and Wilder will be back in due to him being the best man for the job.

But I wouldn’t want Robins anywhere near us. Maybe if we were in the Championship and we were looking for a new manager.

 

[Slim Man]

Maybe he got lucky with Gyokores and Hamer like we did with Ndiaye and Berge? Yes, it's October but it's also over a quarter of the way through the Championship season and you're recommending a manager who's averaging just over a point a game at that level to save us at the next level up. It's a bit daft.

Coventry's transfer spend in the summer was the third highest in the division (behind Leicester and Leeds). Ours was fourth lowest in the PL, behind Luton (net spend higher than us), Palace (net spend higher than us) and Everton (financial basket case). We had a weak squad to begin with and we've at best traded like for like rather than strengthening. I'm not sure how a midtable Championship manager is going to improve the situation.

Mark Robins has had to deal with more at Coventry than any manager in the Football League, to suggest he's done anything less than an incredible job at Coventry is literally mental.

A mid-table Championship manager? He literally had them penalties away from the Prem

 

[Slim Man]

Fortunately for SUFC your not in charge and Wilder will be back in due to him being the best man for the job.

But I wouldn’t want Robins anywhere near us. Maybe if we were in the Championship and we were looking for a new manager.

Best man for the job? Cheapest man for the job more like.

Self serving bellend who should be nowhere near a Premier League job. It's just easy for the board cos they think it'll get the fans back onside. Hint: it won't

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Nigel Adkins?

Very entertaining seeing him fail to get a tune out of Tranmere, I must admit.

 

[BrinsworthBlade]

Best man for the job? Cheapest man for the job more like.

Self serving bellend who should be nowhere near a Premier League job. It's just easy for the board cos they think it'll get the fans back onside. Hint: it won't

You've just hit the nail on the head.

 

[Balham]

Mark Robins has had to deal with more at Coventry than any manager in the Football League, to suggest he's done anything less than an incredible job at Coventry is literally mental.

A mid-table Championship manager? He literally had them penalties away from the Prem

Spot the anomoly.



16th is midtable if we're being generous. 12th is the very definition of midtable.

It's also worth reminding you that he lost that playoff final to Luton Town. Jaap Stam got Reading to within a penalty shootout of the Premier League. Should we employ him?

 

[him behind you]

Best man for the job? Cheapest man for the job more like.

Self serving bellend who should be nowhere near a Premier League job. It's just easy for the board cos they think it'll get the fans back onside. Hint: it won't

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Bladesince59]

Wilder comes my ST goes

 

[Slim Man]

Spot the anomoly.

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16th is midtable if we're being generous. 12th is the very definition of midtable.

It's also worth reminding you that he lost that playoff final to Luton Town. Jaap Stam got Reading to within a penalty shootout of the Premier League. Should we employ him?

2 seasons after promotion consolidating then the third manages to get them in the play off final? Not bad if you ask me. Especially considering their spend.

Luton are a very good side, and better than us. Not sure why you're referring to them in a derogatory way?

 

[Bladezz]

Best man for the job? Cheapest man for the job more like.

Self serving bellend who should be nowhere near a Premier League job. It's just easy for the board cos they think it'll get the fans back onside. Hint: it won't

You’re taking it personally. Your opinion on his attitude etc isn’t really important when it comes to football decisions.

Robins greatest achievement is promotion from league one to the championship and getting into the playoffs.

Wilders is League one to 9th in the PL.

You can hate him for a person you believe him to be. I don’t know him so cannot comment like some seemingly do on here.

I agree it’s a cheap option though but unless you can throw names out who are as good for some compensation then it’s a no brainier.

 

[Slim Man]

You’re taking it personally. Your opinion on his attitude etc isn’t really important when it comes to football decisions.

Robins greatest achievement is promotion from league one to the championship and getting into the playoffs.

Wilders is League one to 9th in the PL.

You can hate him for a person you believe him to be. I don’t know him so cannot comment like some seemingly do on here.

I agree it’s a cheap option though but unless you can throw names out who are as good for some compensation then it’s a no brainier.

Wilder's failed in his 2 jobs since... Why does that entitle him to a PL job?

I've met him. I don't just 'believe him to be'. He's a nob.

 

[Bladezz]

Wilder's failed in his 2 jobs since... Why does that entitle him to a PL job?

I've met him. I don't just 'believe him to be'. He's a nob.

No worries your personal experience with someone is of incredibly little concern but that’s unfortunate for you.

You say he’s failed at his last 2 jobs, but Robins is 16th isn’t a failure. You have to choose one. Wilder got quarter final FA Cup and 1 point outside of playoff. They sold Tavernier for £15m and they struggled and he got sacked.

Watford a failure he started 12th finished 12th since then they are in a relaxation battle.

Robins basically has done a carbon copy but you don’t see it as a failure?

 

[ekke287]

Wilder isn’t the option as we’re basically seeing an extension of his tactics though Hecky anyway.

If the talk is of Wilder you may as well stick with Hecky as there’ll be no difference.

A new manager at this point needs to be someone new, to try a different approach, not tried, tested and failed methods that didn’t work last time.

 

[Slim Man]

No worries your personal experience with someone is of incredibly little concern but that’s unfortunate for you.

You say he’s failed at his last 2 jobs, but Robins is 16th isn’t a failure. You have to choose one. Wilder got quarter final FA Cup and 1 point outside of playoff. They sold Tavernier for £15m and they struggled and he got sacked.

Watford a failure he started 12th finished 12th since then they are in a relaxation battle.

Robins basically has done a carbon copy but you don’t see it as a failure?

You're more obsessed with Mark Robins than I am. Just checked the table they are a whopping... checks notes 4 points off the play offs. In October.
He's had far more turmoil to deal with and hasn't thrown his teddies out the pram and walked out the back door like Wilder did. Therefore don't compare him, he doesn't deserved to be compared to actual decent professional people.

Ask Watford and Boro fans their opinion of Wilder, since you for some reason are obviously on his payroll and can't see what's infront of your face.