Cheerio Hecky

[Deadbat]

The best Wilder is going to get now after 3 failures and sackings is a League One side. He's basically got to rebuild his rep. He won't get big wages or a big club really. Maybe a side like Derby take a chance but if he ever wants to be a manager again he has to do it the hard way. There's been lots of managers like Eoin Coyle, Paul Jewell etc who were lauded for a period then just disappeared without trace. He will know if he fails at his next job he is done really unless he goes right into LG 2 or non league.

I guess Wilder will think he's nowt to lose and may aswell pick up a good salary and have a go with us but in terms of his reputation if he came back and it went wrong and he ends up with the chippy comments and arrogant interviews then he will really sour himself with the fans of his own club and city.

It would be a ballsy move (salary aside) to come back and risk his legacy completely. Yes that original spell was amazing but if he returned and we continue to stink up the league (which I feel we would no matter who was manager) it would effectively end his career and maybe kill his reputation in the city.

I think he and United would be unwise to reunite but if Hecky is sacked not sure there is any obvious replacements. Is Robins or McKenna (won't come I feel) that much better than Hecky?

If we took Warnock for 6 months, it would be a laugh and at least but we'd see some fight and organisation.

It does seem like an impossible job. I think a new manager would get some uplift but not sure the results would change. The players,/squad is not up to this level at all.

The owner is playing at selling the club. If really wanted to sell, he would lower the price. Its only worth what someone is willing to pay. Currently seems we have no interest and the worth is dropping vy millions a week with every loss.

It seems promotion has given us that short term financial buffer but we've just kicked the can down the road for a few seasons.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Factors to consider straight off - Even if we look at this season as most did on this forum as a bonus as it ultimately stabilised the club financially. Anyone coming in now still has the same set of players until January and then who to say what money if any is available

Yes we got smashed by Newcastle but other than the Fulham game it has only been by a 1 goal margin. As many predicted the reality is the truth, you can't compete in the Premier League on a shoestring budget.

If (personally I am not saying yes) you sack Hecky you have 3 things to consider

1) Paying off the remainder of his contract through to 2026 - (not going to be mega money but still some budget)
2) Who do we bring in?
3) Who else goes from the coaching staff and who comes in see end of point 1

What can Wilder realistically do different to the same playing squad. According to the Yorkshire Post the total squads value was
£91 million in July 2023 when you add up Brewster, McBurnie and Berge (at the time) that doesn't leave much split across the rest of the squad. Appreciate those figures will be a little out now. To turn this around you could throw another £100 million at the squad and it still probably not be enough, such is the strength in depth that is lacking. Could be even £200 million.

Its not giving up its being realistic as most blades fans are we are Sheffield United, they try but trying isn't enough anymore, VAR has gotten rid of the opportunities of off the ball bully boy tactics (remember Morgan on Van Persie thuggery) and get in their faces like under Warnock. Against a Man United or Arsenal you always thought there was something there. The best thing we can do is play what we can this season try and develop a solid defence that doesn't leak goals and look to the future game by game.

 

[Slim Man]

Robins was the guy I wanted us to get when we appointed Wilson.

Either way, the club needs a result soon to restore some health to the situation.

It’s not great for fans or players to be defeated almost every week.

Ideally the current set up manage it. It seems unfair for the manager to carry the can for a lack of support but as we know, this is often the way.

Robins would be a fantastic appointment.

He's one of those, normally we wouldn't be able to attract Coventry's manager in our current state - but he's getting no younger at the end of the day. He might want to push for the move if we showed interest.

He deserves a Premier League chance.

 

[adiosmiamigo]

Hi Stegosaurus here

I guarantee if we got Warnock in, we'd make a fight of it and wouldn't beat Derby's record.

Sounds good to me,Stego.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Just looking at the players we will have available for the Arsenal game and we have just about got an eleven who you could possibly say are "first teamer's" which doesn't leave a lot of options whoever is the manager. This injury situation can't be put down to bad luck there are clubs out there with far worse training and medical facilities than Sheffield United and they keep the majority of their players fit why can't we? If there is a reason the get rid for me this is it, we had hardly any injuries when Wilder was in charge. We could put some of this down to luck but a lot of the blame has to go down to the training methods of Hecky and his staff, apparently Hecky has a track record for injuries to players in training and in the time he has been in charge we have been in a constant injury crisis. I think we have to take a look and decide if Hecky and his staff are fit for purpose.

West Ham have had like the same 20 players all season in their squad. The 11 that played against Villa yesterday played against us.

 

[Bladezz]

Then what’s the point in having him back? Bloke looked out for himself multiple times, angled for more clover whilst at his dream job. He also played absolute thundercunts like lunwank to make a point. Thinks he’s far bigger than the club.

His personality isn’t what I care about. Whether he’s liked or disliked I don’t care. The man got results over a 4/5 year period and had a terrible spell for 6 months.

I’ll take every day.

 

[Bladezz]

Robins would be a fantastic appointment.

He's one of those, normally we wouldn't be able to attract Coventry's manager in our current state - but he's getting no younger at the end of the day. He might want to push for the move if we showed interest.

He deserves a Premier League chance.

Coventry are 16th in the Championship.

 

[Slim Man]

Coventry are 16th in the Championship.

And we're rock bottom and going down from the Premier League, what's your point? He's more likely to get Coventry promoted than keep us up, and he's been there for a long long time.

Also my point was more based around compo.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Too many uncertainties around for anyone to want the job. Could be gone if PA manages to sell the club. Loads of lads out of contract at end of season etc etc. We all knew this year would be a struggle and likely be a relegation season but there's 4 other teams that are completely shite too. Whilst ive always felt we'll get relegated its not the forgone conclusion some think. A win or two and we'll feel very very different. Got to hope that we are in touching distance of these 4 clubs come the return of the international break, get a few more players fit and go at that 3/4 month spell with everything we've got. You never know. 30 point might be more than enough to stay up. Half the games this season we've been in them (forest, city, everton, spurs, man u) and really should be a few points better off than we are. McBurnie scores after 2 mins and that game on sat is different. Archer scores before half time again completely different. I honestly think we can compete against most teams.

Its harsh but we know the next 3 are likely to be defeats, kind of just want them out of the way before we can get at some more teams like us! not sure Hecky will survive that though

After Arsenal we have
Wolves H
Brighton A
Bournemouth H
Burnley A
I think these 4 games will tells us if we have a chance of staying up. Get 7 points out of them and we have a chance anything less then start planning your trip too Preston.
Would a new manager help, it could do with the new manager bounce factor.
But more importantly we desperately need players back.

 

[bertieblade]

if we decide to get rid of Hecky I would strongly suggest that he is moved into the football directors job that we have missed since Derek Dooley was here and bring in a younger coach to work under him

 

[Laney Blade]

We all know Hecky is not the answer, but what is the point of bringing someone else in now? The problem is the squad.
The club should wait until the end of the season,bring in someone who would have no loyalties to the present personnel and have a good clear out.
Remember we should be in a good financial position compared to others in the Championship and the likes of Leicester ,Leeds and Southampton would be out.

You mean United World will be in a good financial position. We may get a bit of it back for SUFC

 

[Danetheblade]

His personality isn’t what I care about. Whether he’s liked or disliked I don’t care. The man got results over a 4/5 year period and had a terrible spell for 6 months.

I’ll take every day.

Fully accept that. However the terrible spell happened in similar circumstances to now, what’s he going to do different with the same set of cards?

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

The best Wilder is going to get now after 3 failures and sackings is a League One side. He's basically got to rebuild his rep. He won't get big wages or a big club really. Maybe a side like Derby take a chance but if he ever wants to be a manager again he has to do it the hard way. There's been lots of managers like Eoin Coyle, Paul Jewell etc who were lauded for a period then just disappeared without trace. He will know if he fails at his next job he is done really unless he goes right into LG 2 or non league.

I guess Wilder will think he's nowt to lose and may aswell pick up a good salary and have a go with us but in terms of his reputation if he came back and it went wrong and he ends up with the chippy comments and arrogant interviews then he will really sour himself with the fans of his own club and city.

It would be a ballsy move (salary aside) to come back and risk his legacy completely. Yes that original spell was amazing but if he returned and we continue to stink up the league (which I feel we would no matter who was manager) it would effectively end his career and maybe kill his reputation in the city.

I think he and United would be unwise to reunite but if Hecky is sacked not sure there is any obvious replacements. Is Robins or McKenna (won't come I feel) that much better than Hecky?

If we took Warnock for 6 months, it would be a laugh and at least but we'd see some fight and organisation.

It does seem like an impossible job. I think a new manager would get some uplift but not sure the results would change. The players,/squad is not up to this level at all.

The owner is playing at selling the club. If really wanted to sell, he would lower the price. Its only worth what someone is willing to pay. Currently seems we have no interest and the worth is dropping vy millions a week with every loss.

It seems promotion has given us that short term financial buffer but we've just kicked the can down the road for a few seasons.

The longer we leave Hecky in charge the less appealing the job will be to anyone else. I do not see anything changing in performance or results playing as we are currently. We've failed to compete in most games this season and even the mid-table teams have walked all over us - Palace, Fulham, West Ham.

I'm really surprised that we've not sacked him. I can only think we're getting Arsenal out the way so there's some type of new manager momentum.

You're absolutely bang on that organisation is the issue. Game management is awful too (something we've always been worried about with Hecky). This is the reason I think change is needed.

 

[blade too long]

weve had a really tough start, and not had to play teams on our level of expectation
the 8-0 was a once a lifetime horror show
but we have only 1 more goal difference than burnley

and 2 wins sees us out of the bottom 3

no we wont be challenging for the champions league, ,,, but we knew that anyway

Hecky will be the man to bring us back up if we do go down,,hes proven that much

 

[Pintor75]

I've been a supporter of Hecky and the job he's done with the tools he's had, but if we get hammered at Arsenal and don't beat Wolves,we've got to remove him from the manager's chair, give him his old role back and bring someone else in

 

[Need4speed]

I think the days have gone where a manager is particularly harmed by the outcome in one job. I don't want Hecky sacked but if there was a change in manager I don't think any managers reputation would be on the line coming to us. We are expected to go down so if we do then no damage, if we don't big positive effect on reputation. But any incoming manager is going to want to know what will happen if we get relegated - squad, transfer budget etc. Because the Prince is trying to sell there would be uncertainty and that makes taking the job more of a risk

 

[Sean Thornton]

You mean United World will be in a good financial position. We may get a bit of it back for SUFC

How much has gone to United World and where can we see your evidence?

Remember you backed Dozy to the hilt, totally taken him by him and when he was exposed defended him again by saying he’d been scammed.

You must be a joy to listen too when holding court in the suites. You really are a know nowt.

 

[Bladezz]

Fully accept that. However the terrible spell happened in similar circumstances to now, what’s he going to do different with the same set of cards?

Well so far he finished 9th and Bottom. I understand the thinking of what you’re saying. But taking one season and not the other isn’t a balanced argument.

I believe we would have recruited totally different, but Wilder I beleive has the best chance of getting us back up. It seems last season we got promoted due to Illiman and that’s it.

Least Wilder got us promoted as a team not just one star player.

 

[Bladezz]

And we're rock bottom and going down from the Premier League, what's your point? He's more likely to get Coventry promoted than keep us up, and he's been there for a long long time.

Also my point was more based around compo.

Some people are moaning about Wilder who saved Boro from a relegation scrap and turned them into quarter finals fa cup and one point of playoffs as a bad part of his career.

Robins is currently 16th in Championship. They lost Gyokeres but spent a lot of money and new players everyone expected them to drop but isit the case of one player is the team makes the manager look amazing when in reality it’s not that.

Rosenior would be a better shout. Even Carrick has done better than Robins. Now that would cause a fuss here.

 

[Pintor75]

If we can't get (afford) Hessenhuttl, how about
William Still?
Carlos Corberan?

 

[Slim Man]

Some people are moaning about Wilder who saved Boro from a relegation scrap and turned them into quarter finals fa cup and one point of playoffs as a bad part of his career.

Robins is currently 16th in Championship. They lost Gyokeres but spent a lot of money and new players everyone expected them to drop but isit the case of one player is the team makes the manager look amazing when in reality it’s not that.

Rosenior would be a better shout. Even Carrick has done better than Robins. Now that would cause a fuss here.

Coventry fans love him and he's done an incredibly job there. You wouldn't take him?
Rosenior and Carrick are extremely raw, Cov are 16th but Boro are only 2 points ahead of them

People don't talk about that part of the job he did at Boro, it's when he had his first full season and had them in the relegation zone.

What are you on about?

 

[ancientblade]

hecky has been dealt a terrible hand by abdullah financial wise we needed to spend at least double what we have to have a fighting chance of staying in the premier league but i certainly dont think hecky is up to the job at this level and for me it has to be time for a change

 

[brownblade]

Firing and hiring very rarely works. Simple as that in my opinion.

 

[Silent Blade]

Yes we got smashed by Newcastle but other than the Fulham game it has only been by a 1 goal margin.

We lost 2-0 at West Ham

 

[LBA_Blade]

We lost 2-0 at West Ham

Fair point

 

[HarryHaslam]

Firing and hiring very rarely works. Simple as that in my opinion.

And it often works. We are in the league we are in now because firing and hiring can work.

Two very recent and relevant examples. Firing Adkins - Hiring Wilder… Firing Jokanovic - Hiring Heckingbottom

Both firings brought us huge success. When it is not working anymore you have to fire it’s as simple as that, no room for sentiment or feelings when it comes to the number 1 job at the club.

 

[Champagneblade]

How much has gone to United World and where can we see your evidence?

Remember you backed Dozy to the hilt, totally taken him by him and when he was exposed defended him again by saying he’d been scammed.

You must be a joy to listen too when holding court in the suites. You really are a know nowt.

Is it:
(I) 0
(II) Nothing
(III) Zero
(IV) All of the above
?

 

[Laney Blade]

How much has gone to United World and where can we see your evidence?

Remember you backed Dozy to the hilt, totally taken him by him and when he was exposed defended him again by saying he’d been scammed.

You must be a joy to listen too when holding court in the suites. You really are a know nowt.

I don't hold court in the suites or anywhere else. The CEO of United World said obviously SUFC are obviously the revenue driver to United World. He added the other 4 clubs can help us by sending their best player (s) and as another example giving us free IT advice. Tell me which marvellous players have we been gifted by the other 4 clubs ? Also I'm positive we don't need any IT advice from them. Basically I believe we would be a better team & have a better squad if all SUFC earned revenue was spent on SUFC. Abdullah says we've had £100 M back from the United World Pot & to be fair he hasnt claimed he's spent any of his own personal money. I believe United World benefits the other 4 inferior clubs but obviously we lose out being the dreaded revenue driver.

 

[steve26272]

. According to the Yorkshire Post the total squads value was
£91 million in July 2023 when you add up .

For context, for those who expect us to “compete” in this league

£91m is
Half a Haaland
A full Caicedo
One Fofana, one Porro &£10m change

next up is Arsenal, who’s Saka is valued at £5m more than our entire squad

Sadly we have to accept that apart from a select few teams, we are several levels of ability behind

Let’s hope the run of seemingly easier next 4 fixtures gives us hope of respectability

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

What's the point in sacking PH and his team and replacing them with a Manager and his staff who have less or zero experience in managing in the EPL or elite level status across the football world?

If the patient isn't responding and has only a few minutes to survive, you get a specialist in not a final year student who's only experience is watching from a distance.