Cheerio Hecky

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I am so torn on the idea of Wilder coming back.

The way he left has never sat right, we were awful that last season and his record since leaving is average at best.

On the flip side, that last season was COVID influenced - football records are almost erased for that season - it wasn't football. Perhaps him making-up with the Prince shows he has matured and is capable of working in harmony and open to outside guidance - particularly around recruitment.

He originally came into the club and his first job was to lift the mood, he did that relatively quickly, the same would need doing again.

I obviously hope we pull off a miracle result v Arsenal, and back it up with 3 points v Wolves - then I suspect this thread would be further down the list.
Miracle there's more chance of a Unicorn winning the Grand National than United getting any sort of result at Arsenal.
 

Barring a change of ownership & considerable investment by a new owner ( which I do do not see happening) we’re absolutely going down with strong likelihood of a shocking points total .
With our current injury list & lack of quality / depth in our squad I just cannot see this making any difference. If the club does go down the line of of a change in manager then i hope it’s not a short term one to try & rescue the season , if we are to do this I hope it’s for a more longer term as I think we need a change in approach / style of play so would definitely not look to bring Wilder back .
 
I remember loads on here, saying what a great job Hecky did last here, and how much he worked miracles to get us up, and deserves our support, no matter what happened this season.What a fickle and ungrateful lot we are.
The club made it’s intentions very clear at the start of the season, when it sold our 2 best players on the eve of it.The Prince is just here this season for the Prem money, and no one can save us from that.A change of manger will make no difference.We simply do not have a squad good enough or deep enough to survive in this league, and there’s only one person to blame for that.
 
Wilder looked into a great tactic (more than likely Knill's handiwork) and road the coattails of that. Once teams realised how to counter it, Wilder didn't have a clue how to change and adapt.
This is a myth.

What did teams do to counter it?

"Well it stopped working, didn't it" isn't a valid answer.
 
Robins would cost compo and has no Premier League experience.
Wilder is out of work and has PL experience.
If it was out of those two, only one outcome.
 
Really pressed on Norwood and our wing backs who then couldn't get over the half way line oh, and losing JOC
We need someone in midfield, Norwoods ability with dead ball situations doesn't outweigh his lack of ability as a midfielder Hammer is doing all the work on his own, while Souza is constantly trying to hold the defensive midfield on his own, we need to shore up that midfield
 
Really pressed on Norwood and our wing backs who then couldn't get over the half way line oh, and losing JOC
And positioned people higher up the field which meant our RCB and LCB thought twice...better teams knew we didnt create much (post xmas showed this) and knew their defence would be fine as it wouldnt get flooded with bodies. Before we knew it we had a flat back 5, our best player in Norwood smothered with fleck one side helping out and more often than not Lundstram (who had ran out of gas by then) on the right or Berge who was adjusting to a new game / club / country through a lockdown.

Not Wilder bashing but he didnt have an answer to that and that remained the case the following season, which ultimately was the reason we struggled so badly
 
The club needs to move on and stop this longing for everything comforting about the past ffs.

New manager, new outlook, when they’re not dead there is talent in this squad we had Wilder who did great things and then faded quickly once he was sussed out, Hecky just rehashed wilders tactics and now what? Wilder again to try attempt what he failed at last time? Somethings just have a shelf life and when it’s done it’s done.

I swear a massive % of our fans go to bed with a semi on over the thought of Wilder as manager, Warnock DOF, Sharp assistant and Jagielka as defensive coach.

Prince just plays up to it too, tried Slav and instead of backing him listened to the over lapping CB crowd because he knows it buys him some favour.
 
Fucking hilarious….JTW….after the summer abomination and without doubt the single worst transfer window in the history of football, the thought of our great leaders dragging us through another month of incompetence and chaos is simply just hilarious.
But hilarious because the only other options for emotion are pure rage with a side helping of tears!

And it makes no difference whether those discussions were with Hecky…Wilder or anyone else. The manager will not get the players needed to make any difference. We have no identity and no playing style, and worse still appear to have no plan to get it so a JTW may as well just be written off and the club making it clear we are getting nobody in.

What should they do?….play the kids. At least we get to see them trying….and they will learn a lot. We might just uncover some players for next season.
What will they do? Get some more cheap players on loan that our owner and the board have scouted to just fill a gap on the pitch.
 
Honestly, u think Wilder coming in would be good for the players, would definitely lift the place, but, on the other hand, I would love Hecky to stay at the club if he were to step aside as manager, think he deserves that much!
I'm not sure on whats happening behind the scenes, but we can all see whats happening infront of them!!
 

What puzzles me more than anything is how a lot of people are crying for Wilder to come back yet don't want Wilder-Ball tactics and want us to continue to blood youth players.

If wilder returns those dated tactics come back and the youth pathway to the first team will become extremely limited like before.

Whoever is in charge this season is almost written off, changing manager is not going to solve a single thing, let's build on what we have for next season with the positive financial position we now find ourselves in.
 
The club needs to move on and stop this longing for everything comforting about the past ffs.


I swear a massive % of our fans go to bed with a semi on over the thought of Wilder as manager, Warnock DOF, Sharp assistant and Jagielka as defensive coach.
Not that i would want any of them back but it wouldn't do Hecky any harm to call Warnock to get some tips on how to concede less than 2 goals a game
 
The club accepted relegation on the night we got promoted.

Everything since then has been an absolute shit show.

It feels like the kind of season where we have 3 or 4 managers. Bring wilder in, Warnock, Big Sam whoever, then sack them in Feb/March for next one.

I cant even be arsed to go to the games as they feel inevitable that we will lose.
 
This is a myth.

What did teams do to counter it?

"Well it stopped working, didn't it" isn't a valid answer.

It started with Leicester at home in 20/21. Brendan Rogers set his team up to cut off the outball to Stevens and Baldock and we really struggled to counteract that.

Really pressed on Norwood and our wing backs who then couldn't get over the half way line oh, and losing JOC

This... here's what I wrote on it in April 2022
Wilder's system took us from the bottom of League One to the bottom of the Premier League. You're conveniently forgetting the last 9 months of Wilderball when we'd been figured out (high, wide forwards to pin the wing backs in; pressure on Norwood, make the gap between defence and forwards too big for Fleck and Berge). The best tacticians evolve; to an extent Wilder did when we went from 3-4-1-2 to 3-5-2 but that was more of a tweak than anything else. He was found wanting when the bigger questions started to appear.

That first four years though... 😍 😍 😍 😍



We weren't in any danger of relegation under Jokanovic. We'd have finished between 10th and 16th.


[talks on January transfers didn't go well] for whom?
Clearly Heckingbottom given that the Prince's pet journalists are once again running stories that he's going to be fired.
 
It's not about going down...we all knew relegation was a distinctly probability.
It's the way you go down that counts. We might be creating history this season for all the wrong reasons.

Imagine if we end up with 12 points, say 2 wins and 6 draws for the whole season, to be honest think this is very possible.
We'd be a laughing stock, opposition teams don't even need to try against us.
The manager stops trying and just accepts relegation, this lack of leadership transfers to the players, who also stop trying.
Even the fans will give up. I've never known Blades predict and accept we'll lose....before a ball has been kicked, that can't be right.
Once the rot has started it's tricky to stop it.

Also did anyone analyse our matches last season.
Remember old Pompey, in his post match review he almost always said we were unconvincing and quite poor in stages. To be honest he was correct.
The worrying thing for me, when we were promoted under Wilder, we were so well drilled and had a definite style.
Where as under Hecky, our style was so mixed, most games we had 15 minutes spells where we played some nice passing football and looked a good team, but in the same match we always had a 15 minute spell where we had zero composure and couldn't string 3 passes together.
Under Wilder we had no star players, we were a team, where as under Hecky we were totally reliant on the brilliance of N'Diaye and to a lesser degree McAtee. Now we've lost N'Diaye, we look lost regards tactics to create chances.

Also was concerned that when Wilder was manager we went 1-0 up, we then continued to attack trying to go 2-0 up, then 3-0 up
where as under Hecky when leading we parked the bus for the last 20 minutes of every match, defending in numbers trying to hold on.
Fair play, this pragmatic/ negative approach worked, our defence was often under loads of pressure in the Championship but our goalie has little to do.
So even though we rarely looked special we tended to win most matches 1-0 or 2-1 and Hecky deserves credit for that.

Yes some of my post is defeatist of course, but in reality without a billionaire you're fucked in this division..

We've all seen how much the quality has risen, and I go on about the bench a lot, but you combine this factor with the extra time rule, ordinary clubs are fucked from the start..

Remember Forest going crackers with money, and how we'd hoped they'd go down and get what they deserved, but they did what was needed to scrape through, that's how much money you need..which we of course have no where near.

The Premier league and the new rules are designed to exclude ordinary teams, they sort of want you as a temporary member, like getting a timeshare, a taste of it for a small amount of time.

This is a different way of thinking I know, not everybody's noticed this..

But they want a division owned by billionaires, who'll provide the best players the world has to offer, and a club like united trying to crash the party, nah, they don't let that happen, hence the Spurs debacle, I do believe we'd have played till they won, because that's what they wanted..

As for newly promoted sides, thier role is to do exactly what we did when Newcastle smashed us, turn up, get fucked by 4 or 5+ goals and fuck off back down with your bang average players, we don't want you here rubbing shoulders with the top boys for too long or you'll weaken the product, they've spunked millions and turned up with Elvis and Frank Sinatra, we've turned up with the Steps..

Unless you have a billionaire, and are signing Brazilians and world Cup winners they only want you as cannon fodder, Newcastle with thier untold riches will only help build thier brand and will obviously keep paying up till they win the title..

I actually think our season with Wilder put this in motion, cannon fodder pushing for European football.. Time for a rethink?
 
Fucking hilarious….JTW….after the summer abomination and without doubt the single worst transfer window in the history of football, the thought of our great leaders dragging us through another month of incompetence and chaos is simply just hilarious.
But hilarious because the only other options for emotion are pure rage with a side helping of tears!

And it makes no difference whether those discussions were with Hecky…Wilder or anyone else. The manager will not get the players needed to make any difference. We have no identity and no playing style, and worse still appear to have no plan to get it so a JTW may as well just be written off and the club making it clear we are getting nobody in.

What should they do?….play the kids. At least we get to see them trying….and they will learn a lot. We might just uncover some players for next season.
What will they do? Get some more cheap players on loan that our owner and the board have scouted to just fill a gap on the pitch.

I'll tell you what'll happen in the January window, we'll have some new prospective owners sniffing about, thus negating us being able to spend any money while a situation is ongoing..

Takes the piss every transfer window..
 
You’ve missed the bit about Boro being third from bottom when he was sacked and his attitude over the Burnley “job”.

I’m not advocating Robins but you’re writing him off whilst believing Wilder is the one, despite his failures.
Thing is as well, Coventry may well be 16th. But they’re also only 4 points shy of the play offs with 34 matches still to play.

Unless you’re like Wednesday are, it’s too early to be writing anyone off in the Championship.
 
It’s like F1 . Is Max V the best driver or is it the best car ? To be successful in the prem you need a talented sizeable squad . A long term investment plan and a manager who can improve already world class players . No disrespect to Hecky but we have none of this . He is the right shoe for this foot of a football club . It is going to take someone with a vision for the club which we have never seen before to change the DNA of what we are . Brighton are a perfect example of this . Dynamic manager, best in class recruitment. The one thing they lack is the catchment of a large city to verify the investment in the ground . I hope one day some sees it fitting to have a club that is from where football was invented playing at the very top level of world football.
It’s the hope that kills you .
 

I like hecky and I don't want him to go.

However despite been given a bad hand this summer with transfers and effectively compromising the first 4 games of season.

And despite the injury crisis too, 8 losses from 9 and no wins at all usually does end up with a sacking. (Injury crisis every season under hecky btw. I'm hoping it's not something to do with him. Obv leg breaks cannot be!)

The situation is weird because the board might know (prince will say he doesn't) they've not exactly given hecky as good a chance as they could have.

But I do feel we should be doing a bit better, we've had patches in some games of good play. And in many others it's been a constant give away of possession and inevitably we concede a few.

It feels strange they would say should we "lose to Arsenal" because let's be honest its pretty much a foregone conclusion.
Makes me feel this story isn't accurate.

However if he goes soon out of options we can think of. If we can't tempt a Hassenhutl who to be fair might not suit our squad the argument for Wilder sort of makes sense.
He's worked with alot of the players, the setup when fit is largely what he set up and he knows the club and is a fan.
He had success every season with us aside from his final one which was during COVID and by all accounts he became disillusioned with the Prince during that season. Alongside losing JOC was massive for us.

Take away any personal thoughts because of his departure and he nearly got Boro in playoffs and then last season started poorly and was sacked.
A failed Watford experiment can't be judged really.

This all said my reservations about Wilder coming back is that you cannot be sure it will work.
Some fans seem to think he's now an utter arse so certainly if we don't turn it round pronto he won't have a united United. (He's a blade after all, and try and look at it balanced).

Personally I'm predicting that if we give hecky the boot, Prince will appoint a random manager from abroad.
 

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