Cheerio Hecky

[Bladezz]

You're more obsessed with Mark Robins than I am. Just checked the table they are a whopping... checks notes 4 points off the play offs. In October.
He's had far more turmoil to deal with and hasn't thrown his teddies out the pram and walked out the back door like Wilder did. Therefore don't compare him, he doesn't deserved to be compared to actual decent professional people.

Ask Watford and Boro fans their opinion of Wilder, since you for some reason are obviously on his payroll and can't see what's infront of your face.

Boro fans loved him until he got linked to a premier league job. But remember he failed…

Watford fans don’t really say much about him. He inherited a mess and most liked his straight talking and trying to resolve the issues.

It’s more the Robins thing is insane. Your defeating you own argument by saying Wilder failed but he’s out performed Robins

 

[Sean Thornton]

Since Wilder left there’s nothing show he’s back to being PL1 season Wilder. In PL2, when struggling, he failed miserably. We in such a position now. And let’s not harp on about Covid. Other teams fought relegation battles without fans with far less capitulation.

 

[Slim Man]

Boro fans loved him until he got linked to a premier league job. But remember he failed…

Watford fans don’t really say much about him. He inherited a mess and most liked his straight talking and trying to resolve the issues.

It’s more the Robins thing is insane. Your defeating you own argument by saying Wilder failed but he’s out performed Robins

Hows he outperformed Robins? I've just outlined very real life reasons why he hasn't.

By that same reckoning Hecky outperformed every manager bar 1 in the Championship last season, definitely including Wilder, so why don't you want to keep him?

 

[Stegosaurus]

Since Wilder left there’s nothing show he’s back to being PL1 season Wilder. In PL2, when struggling, he failed miserably. We in such a position now. And let’s not harp on about Covid. Other teams fought relegation battles without fans with far less capitulation.

Hi Stegosaurus here

Wilder looked into a great tactic (more than likely Knill's handiwork) and road the coattails of that. Once teams realised how to counter it, Wilder didn't have a clue how to change and adapt.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No worries your personal experience with someone is of incredibly little concern but that’s unfortunate for you.

You say he’s failed at his last 2 jobs, but Robins is 16th isn’t a failure. You have to choose one. Wilder got quarter final FA Cup and 1 point outside of playoff. They sold Tavernier for £15m and they struggled and he got sacked.

Watford a failure he started 12th finished 12th since then they are in a relaxation battle.

Robins basically has done a carbon copy but you don’t see it as a failure?

You’ve missed the bit about Boro being third from bottom when he was sacked and his attitude over the Burnley “job”.

I’m not advocating Robins but you’re writing him off whilst believing Wilder is the one, despite his failures.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Since Wilder left there’s nothing show he’s back to being PL1 season Wilder. In PL2, when struggling, he failed miserably. We in such a position now. And let’s not harp on about Covid. Other teams fought relegation battles without fans with far less capitulation.

Wilder did build an unbelievable rapport with the fans though. I doubt the club has ever been so united, and that definitely transferred to the players.

Compare that to now and even last season, and it's worlds apart. There has to be an argument for any manager who can bring that back.

I'm not sure Wilder is that person simply because there seems to be too large a portion of our fans against it.

 

[Bladezz]

Hows he outperformed Robins? I've just outlined very real life reasons why he hasn't.

By that same reckoning Hecky outperformed every manager bar 1 in the Championship last season, definitely including Wilder, so why don't you want to keep him?

You’ve missed the bit about Boro being third from bottom when he was sacked and his attitude over the Burnley “job”.

I’m not advocating Robins but you’re writing him off whilst believing Wilder is the one, despite his failures.

Oh no I beleive you should be sacked. If your towards the bottom even if there are circumstances you get sacked it’s football.

But you cannot call Wilder at Boro a failure if Robins currently is a success. Have to choose one.

 

[Slim Man]

Oh no I beleive you should be sacked. If your towards the bottom even if there are circumstances you get sacked it’s football.

But you cannot call Wilder at Boro a failure if Robins currently is a success. Have to choose one.

By your own method of measuring managers as per previous posts Heckingbottom outperformed every manager in the championship apart from Vincent Kompany last season. Why do you want someone that was worse than him in 2 jobs?

Go off the league table, ppg, xG, shots on target per game. Whatever metric you like.

By the way, I'm firmly Hecky out for the record. But certainly not for him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Wilder did build an unbelievable rapport with the fans though. I doubt the club has ever been so united, and that definitely transferred to the players.

Compare that to now and even last season, and it's worlds apart. There has to be an argument for any manager who can bring that back.

I'm not sure Wilder is that person simply because there seems to be too large a portion of our fans against it.

Can’t argue with much there but he’s done little of note since. His last season though, jumped ship chasing money etc etc etc but my gripe then was that at the end he continually played the lazy twat that was Lundc*nt when everyone could see he couldn’t care less. For me it showed Wilder had given up the ghost*, something l thought would never happen.

* my current gripe follows the statement from the club about next season. It appears they’d given up the ghost preseason, about 5 months before Wilder did.

Another concern is would Wilder be simply coming back here to be earning again as there seems to be little else in the pipeline for him.

 

[Bladezz]

By your own method of measuring managers as per previous posts Heckingbottom outperformed every manager in the championship apart from Vincent Kompany last season. Why do you want someone that was worse than him in 2 jobs?

Go off the league table, ppg, xG, shots on target per game. Whatever metric you like.

By the way, I'm firmly Hecky out for the record. But certainly not for him.

I’m happy with a Rosenior for a style of play or Carrick for similar reasons. I think it’s common sense Wilder comes back. But some people don’t agree. When in reality it’s only the chairman can decide and he knows everything that went on.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I’m happy with a Rosenior for a style of play or Carrick for similar reasons. I think it’s common sense Wilder comes back. But some people don’t agree. When in reality it’s only the chairman can decide and he knows everything that went on.

Re the owner - he’s not chairman btw that’s Yusef G - plenty are vociferously stating he doesn’t know football.

 

[Roygbiv]

Wilder coming back will almost certainly be a disaster but I'm wondering whether now is the best time to do it. Lots of fans seem to have that itch they want to scratch and this season is doomed so maybe it's the safest time to get it out of the way.

 

[Addison]

Should the inevitable defeat against Arsenal happen and tactical ineptitude continue PA will have some decisions to make as a run of potentially easier fixtures follows;

1. Does he stick with PH and his team to the end of the season, accept relegation, the appalling injury situation continuing allowing the value of the Club to plummet?
2. Twist and bring in CW as he's available with no compensation pay out and well known to SUFC but with all the baggage.
3. Twist and go for those who have worked for him, before or he's previously courted such as Still and Blessin. Both will require compensation paying.
4. Go for the firefighter option. Warnock or Allardyce. Both free at the moment but in Sams case will want to be paid a fortune.
5. Try and court an up and coming manager such as Mckenna or Roseinor, again costly in terms of compo.
6. Be innovative in an effort to protect his asset and restructure SUFC by moving PH upstairs to a Technical Director role passing some of the cost onto United World and bring in a Head coach to work with PH.
7. Do nothing hoping for a Christmas miracle and ask Daren Smith to put out some positive tweets.

I'm opting for 7 at the moment with no chance of my preferred option 6 ever happening.

 

[Freethinker]

Can’t argue with much there but he’s done little of note since. His last season though, jumped ship chasing money etc etc etc but my gripe then was that at the end he continually played the lazy twat that was Lundc*nt when everyone could see he couldn’t care less. For me it showed Wilder had given up the ghost*, something l thought would never happen.

* my current gripe follows the statement from the club about next season. It appears they’d given up the ghost preseason, about 5 months before Wilder did.

Another concern is would Wilder be simply coming back here to be earning again as there seems to be little else in the pipeline for him.

He doesn't need the money,it would be to try and rebuild his reputation imo

 

[Addison]

Can’t argue with much there but he’s done little of note since. His last season though, jumped ship chasing money etc etc etc but my gripe then was that at the end he continually played the lazy twat that was Lundc*nt when everyone could see he couldn’t care less. For me it showed Wilder had given up the ghost*, something l thought would never happen.

* my current gripe follows the statement from the club about next season. It appears they’d given up the ghost preseason, about 5 months before Wilder did.

Another concern is would Wilder be simply coming back here to be earning again as there seems to be little else in the pipeline for him.

I'm presuming you mean the statement from Bettis about only having to sell one player next season should we go down? The plan seems to be debt reduction with no strategy currently beyond that.

Agree on Lundstam, very frustrating and the fact PH continued to play him after that still irritates. The Crystal Palace home game is etched in my memory!! CW was allowed too much power last time imo and got lost as a Football Manager acting at times like a fan rather than a Manager. When the Board did stand up to him it culminated in a 4 month stand off which killed off any prospect of the club surviving in the EPL. Faults on both sides imo. Will lessons have been learnt? We'll only know that if they take the plunge and bring him back. A logical decision would involve a short term contract to the end of the season with a huge bonus for survival. Responsibilities to be limited to coaching the first team only. Would he come back on that basis? Depends whether he wants to try and rebuild his reputation or follow the money overseas.

In any event I'm in the we must do something camp now. To continue stagnating as we are will do irreparable harm to the club in the long term.

 

[Stegosaurus]

Hi Stegosaurus here,

Now, I think the words we are all tiptoeing around here are "get Big Sam in"

 

[Revolution]

Hi Stegosaurus here,

Now, I think the words we are all tiptoeing around here are "get Big Sam in"

No chance. Too expensive.

 

[Sean Thornton]

He doesn't need the money,it would be to try and rebuild his reputation imo

It seemed it was very important when he left.
He needs to start below PL level then because he’s not managed it with two championship clubs. Plus l’d rather have a manager focused on us rather than himself.

 

[Higgo's Belly]

Hassenhuttl has got to be in the frame for the job. Currently available and has the required Premier League experience. Took Southampton over when in the relegation zone and kept them up that season and the following three seasons. Club got rid of his back room staff, but still had 12 points from 14 games when sacked. It was a totally ridiculous decision to sack him.
We all know it’s when, not if PH gets sacked, as he isn’t turning this around. It’s going to be Wilder, but wouldn’t be surprised if he brings back Billy Sharp, as one of his coaching staff.

 

[Sheffsteel]

He doesn't need the money,it would be to try and rebuild his reputation imo

I see bringing back Chris Wilder a little like the Ravel Morrison sigining.

Wilder has performed miracles in the past....bigger miracles than keeping this current SU team up
but now his stock his low.....this is actually a positive because he'll be cheap and probably available.
Also he'll be hungry and determined to prove the doubters wrong and rebuild his reputation. It's his one-off, unlikely, chance to return to the big time.

Even at this early stage, the performances and massive gap in quality suggests we're 100% down
and even becoming the worse side in the 30 year Premier League is a realistic possibly.
Accept that Hecky has his hands tied but to be the worse PL ever, is something no one ever expected when the season started.

So if it's a 1 year contract, it's a low risk/ high reward option. What do we have to lose?

However acknowledge that the 1st half against Man Utd was Wilder-esque,
so maybe there is hope that Hecky can start producing performances to be proud of.
Personally not bothered about results. just want my Sheff United back where we compete and give everything for the badge.
We might get relegated but we go down fighting, for me that is a minimum. If Hecky has us playing, almost every match
like the 1st half against Man Utd, then he stays and I'll fully support him even if we're losing.

However if the 1st half against Man Utd is a one-off and we're outclassed by Wolves and Bournmouth, then surely he needs to be changed
but finances suggests it would only be a 1 year contract, so that means Warnock or Wilder. Either would be worth the low risk gamble.

 

[Tezza1889]

Media pressure clearly building now on PH so I now expect him to be gone before wolves, which I don't want to happen, but wolves gives the new guy a chance for a decent start, it would also give hecky a chance, but the board may already see it as too late and pull the trigger..

So somethings changed, they don't think the performances match the squads capability and possibly don't think hecky is getting the maximum out of them, but with relegation goes any chance of a buyout at anywhere near the prince's inflated price, thier hand could be forced after Arsenal (a game nobody thinks we should judge anything on, sadly)..

I think (my opinion) we're getting exactly the performance from the players that we are capable of getting, they are expensive players to us, but don't strike fear into anybody at this level and things have moved on at an incredible rate in the PL these last 2 years, now the benches are full of world class players at nearly everry club, case in point Tottenham, and more recently Man Utd, both brought over 100m of subs on the pitch, so when we're gassed at 60 minutes, with around another 40 to play, on they come, and thier fitness and class turn the second half in thier favour..

The buzz is of course about Wilder, and if he's coming back, I expect he's already spoken privately to PH, so hopefully it'll be amicable, but personally it's swapping apples for pears, both managers can't do it in the pressure cooker of the Premier league, and if the board are thinking about Wilder and the crowd pushing us along like that first season, they can think again, he won't be greeted as the messiah this time, we don't like chest beating then turning your back when the going gets tough, walking out on us is what he did, when 100% of the fanbase wanted him to dust himself off, go down, and fight our way back up, together. What was it "we go again".

I'll say it now, if he gets appointed, I don't think he sees the season out, if he doesn't work a miracle, he'll be off again before relegation is confirmed..

So for me, Hecky in.. He'd go down with the ship, he wouldn't give up on us and he deserves our loyalty, let's let him dust himself off and go again next season..

Don't forget, with Hecky we'd lose Mcall as well, be a sad day..

 

[Davalon]

Bringing Wilder back would be incredibly divisive and as I don't see any manager making much difference with this squad, it seems a naive move to me.

I'm not suggesting continuing to lose every week will keep everyone behind Hecky but if Wilder comes and as expected we continue in a similar vein, then toxicity will increase much quicker imho.

That's before we discuss the unimaginative parochial approach that seemingly envelopes so many.

 

[adiosmiamigo]

Hassenhuttl has got to be in the frame for the job. Currently available and has the required Premier League experience. Took Southampton over when in the relegation zone and kept them up that season and the following three seasons. Club got rid of his back room staff, but still had 12 points from 14 games when sacked. It was a totally ridiculous decision to sack him.
We all know it’s when, not if PH gets sacked, as he isn’t turning this around. It’s going to be Wilder, but wouldn’t be surprised if he brings back Billy Sharp, as one of his coaching staff.

Yep,Billy as player/coach,sounds good to me.

 

[Sheffsteel]

So for me, Hecky in.. He'd go down with the ship, he wouldn't give up on us and he deserves our loyalty, let's let him dust himself off and go again next season..

Don't forget, with Hecky we'd lose Mcall as well, be a sad day..

It's not about going down...we all knew relegation was a distinctly probability.
It's the way you go down that counts. We might be creating history this season for all the wrong reasons.

Imagine if we end up with 12 points, say 2 wins and 6 draws for the whole season, to be honest think this is very possible.
We'd be a laughing stock, opposition teams don't even need to try against us.
The manager stops trying and just accepts relegation, this lack of leadership transfers to the players, who also stop trying.
Even the fans will give up. I've never known Blades predict and accept we'll lose....before a ball has been kicked, that can't be right.
Once the rot has started it's tricky to stop it.

Also did anyone analyse our matches last season.
Remember old Pompey, in his post match review he almost always said we were unconvincing and quite poor in stages. To be honest he was correct.
The worrying thing for me, when we were promoted under Wilder, we were so well drilled and had a definite style.
Where as under Hecky, our style was so mixed, most games we had 15 minutes spells where we played some nice passing football and looked a good team, but in the same match we always had a 15 minute spell where we had zero composure and couldn't string 3 passes together.
Under Wilder we had no star players, we were a team, where as under Hecky we were totally reliant on the brilliance of N'Diaye and to a lesser degree McAtee. Now we've lost N'Diaye, we look lost regards tactics to create chances.

Also was concerned that when Wilder was manager we went 1-0 up, we then continued to attack trying to go 2-0 up, then 3-0 up
where as under Hecky when leading we parked the bus for the last 20 minutes of every match, defending in numbers trying to hold on.
Fair play, this pragmatic/ negative approach worked, our defence was often under loads of pressure in the Championship but our goalie has little to do.
So even though we rarely looked special we tended to win most matches 1-0 or 2-1 and Hecky deserves credit for that.

 

[Freethinker]

It seemed it was very important when he left.
He needs to start below PL level then because he’s not managed it with two championship clubs. Plus l’d rather have a manager focused on us rather than himself.

He would be tbh, we're nowhere near premier quality,I understand people's reservations but at this stage it could be a game changer or a flop, nothing to lose, going down anyway with hecky

 

[Sheffsteel]

Bringing Wilder back would be incredibly divisive and as I don't see any manager making much difference with this squad, it seems a naive move to me.

I'm not suggesting continuing to lose every week will keep everyone behind Hecky but if Wilder comes and as expected we continue in a similar vein, then toxicity will increase much quicker imho.

That's before we discuss the unimaginative parochial approach that seemingly envelopes so many.

Davalon, the point find bizarre is that the pro Hecky people....seem fixated in their support...as though he's their dad...
That makes no sense....Hecky has been dealt a bad hand so think it's a little unfair to make him accountable for results and he should be given a reasonable length of time to turn things around but surely a manager is always accountable for performances, starting tactics, in game tactics and substitutions, style of play, effort, confidence etc.?

Don't think our fans or the Prince should be burying their heads in the sand and standing by doing nothing to prevent us creating the worse record in PL history. Doing nothing would be criminal.....surely we need to do something....at least try to stay up.

You make a good point regards toxicity, agree....Hecky is likeable, unlike Wilder non controversial but pretty bland, he shows zero emotion in his interviews and never reveals anything. Owners often follow the mood amongst the fans, it's not toxic yet so Hecky might have more time
but surely at some point the fans will lose patience and turn. We're going to matches with no hope, and that can't continue.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

No chance. Too expensive.

Well, if you want to see a modern day Brontosaurus,bring him in. Ask any Leeds fan about his style of football,also he failed miserably there with better players than we have. Jesus wept,is Bruce in the possibility’s also.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

No manager coming in will be someone who we could plan for 2 years + plus with as the owner wants out so whoever it is if it is happening would have to be a guy willing to potentially be short term.

I can't think of many realistic candidates

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

I am so torn on the idea of Wilder coming back.

The way he left has never sat right, we were awful that last season and his record since leaving is average at best.

On the flip side, that last season was COVID influenced - football records are almost erased for that season - it wasn't football. Perhaps him making-up with the Prince shows he has matured and is capable of working in harmony and open to outside guidance - particularly around recruitment.

He originally came into the club and his first job was to lift the mood, he did that relatively quickly, the same would need doing again.

I obviously hope we pull off a miracle result v Arsenal, and back it up with 3 points v Wolves - then I suspect this thread would be further down the list.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Fortunately for SUFC your not in charge and Wilder will be back in due to him being the best man for the job.

But I wouldn’t want Robins anywhere near us. Maybe if we were in the Championship and we were looking for a new manager.

I really hope you are not in charge either.
Why is Wilder the best man for the job ?
There are literally 100's of managers out there, what makes you think he's the best man ?
Why are we obsessed with appointing ex managers or former players I can not think of another club with this obsession,
If Man Utd sack there manager would any of their fans be mentioning Ferguson.
Would be the biggest mistake since United couldn't find an extra 50p to sign Maradona.
If they appointment Wilder it would split the fan base right down the middle for a start, not too mention the cost of bricking up all the back doors.