Che Adams :- submarine

[YES Blade]

You are perfectly entitled to your view of course, but do you not find it odd that everyone else on this thread thinks he is not?

The kid who was fantastically sharp against Spurs at BDTBL morphed into a fat unprofessional young man who seemed to enjoy the trappings too much. For chunks of last season, it was a toss up whether to go with him of Connor Sammon. That is how poor he was.

Well rid for excellent money and we've moved on. Simply 'end of' in my book.

I'd say it's more that I'm judging him on his ability rather than what he's said about us on twitter.

Maybe for you it was a toss up between Sammon and Adams, but for me Adams was clearly the better player.

Adams still got 12 goals last season in that poor team!

 

[metalblade]

Who is your source at Birmingham?

He's started the last four matches, I wouldn't expect to see that if he's a poor trainer who likes to go out regularly.

You seem to be forgetting that he was pulled out of the first team at the lane due to his poor work ethic and discipline in other words out on the piss and late for training.

 

[YES Blade]

You seem to be forgetting that he was pulled out of the first team at the lane due to his poor work ethic and discipline in other words out on the piss and late for training.

The lad was 19 last season, maybe he's learnt from his mistakes. It doesn't mean he's doing the exact same thing now at Birmingham or he's going to be like that for the rest of his career.

At this moment in time he has started the last 4 matches, that suggests to me that Zola doesn't have any issues with him.

 

[YES Blade]

i will stick my neck out here and say it 'he will never get a game in the prem' you can re post this in the future if he does but i can't ever see it happening, he thought he was Ronaldo and it all went to his head or as metalblade said his belly - what a great sale for us !

I'm not trying to say that Adams is the next big thing or anything. I'm just comparing him to our current strikers and would he improve our strike force.

At this moment in time Adams would improve our squad and would be either a starter or on the bench in the Championship for us. I can't see how anyone can disagree with that?

 

[metalblade]

We shall see, Forest let him go so did we there is a reason for that.

 

[I should coco]

At this moment in time he has started the last 4 matches, that suggests to me that Zola doesn't have any issues with him.

Ah yes, Emile Zola, famous author and crap football manager.

He'll be out of a job before summer and then see how many top clubs come wading in with big bids for Adams.

BTW, where's Tyler Durden when you need him ("Jug eared.....")?

 

[metalblade]

I'm sure Brum have only managed one win since Zola took charge

 

[I should coco]

At this moment in time Adams would improve our squad and would be either a starter or on the bench in the Championship for us. I can't see how anyone can disagree with that?

Are you his agent or something? How would you propose to explain the concept of 'pressing' to him?

Sharp and a big man to start, then pace to come on and run at tired defenders (Lavery/Chapman/Done). I don't see where a fat kid stood on the half way line fits in with this at all.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

It's difficult to compare Hanson with Adams as they are completely different players, but we're talking about a 21 year old who has shown potential at Championship level vs a 30 year old who has never played above League One level. Hanson might have one or two average seasons of 10 goals maximum at Championship level (can't see him getting that many myself) while Adams has the potential to go to the Premier League.

Lavery I'd agree, at his age could still develop further and prove to be a Championship level player but at the moment he has only scored 3 goals in team which is top of League One, I'd like to seem him giving Wilder more of a selection head ache than he is right now. At the moment Adams is younger and ahead of Lavery.

I'm not saying our strikers are completely shit and we should get rid of them all, I'm just saying that Adams is a better player (Sharp excluded).

Like in a lot of sport it's easy to mistake potential for actual/tangible ability.

Potentially Adams could tear it up and be a PL level striker, but the real-time actual and demonstrable performances are what matters. Especially for a club like ours.

I'd happily cash in on all our players with 'potential' (a la Ramsdale) and buy players who can deliver for us right now, today.

 

[YES Blade]

Like in a lot of sport it's easy to mistake potential for actual/tangible ability.

Potentially Adams could tear it up and be a PL level striker, but the real-time actual and demonstrable performances are what matters. Especially for a club like ours.

I'd happily cash in on all our players with 'potential' (a la Ramsdale) and buy players who can deliver for us right now, today.

To be fair Adams did deliver, he scored 12 goals for a bang average League One side last season.

 

[YES Blade]

Are you his agent or something? How would you propose to explain the concept of 'pressing' to him?

Sharp and a big man to start, then pace to come on and run at tired defenders (Lavery/Chapman/Done). I don't see where a fat kid stood on the half way line fits in with this at all.

I thought you would be his agent, you're the one who knows how poor he trains and all about his personal life.

 

[Ricky]

I said before we signed Lavery that I'd much rather have him than Adams. I absolutely stand by that 100%. Much better attitude, similar positions, not fat. And also more of a threat with the ball at his feet - he doesn't just try and run through defenders for a start, or attempt shitty nutmegs all the time. Or dive.

 

[moDtheGod]

When Che arrived at the lane he was strong fast and looked a great prospect sadly it all went to his head and his guts he got fat lost his pace couldn't beat a man.................... talent wasted. We were right to sell, he has turned out to be an idiot who thinks he is much better than he actually is.

There's a lot of this type of comment about Adams. I'm not picking on you metal, I could have quoted others. But he's still a kid - his career isn't finished so we can't say absolutely that he's finished or that he's peaked. "He's turned out"... he's 20 years old. Let's see how he "turned out" in 10 years or more.

Yes at the moment his attitude seems questionable, but he's still very, very young. Maybe he will move again, perhaps down the league ladder, and it will shake him up? Maybe he'll experience a life event (a death, a birth, a woman, whatever) that will also sharpen his attitude? If he sorts his attitude (I'm working with rumours only here, maybe the drinking etc isn't true, but it feels believable) then I could see him playing for a bottom end of the prem side for sure.

Everyone's written him off and he's not even 21. He MIGHT very well have peaked. But it's far too early to say.

Definitely good business for us though. We shifted a kid who at the time had a questionable attitude and very limited experience for a seven figure amount, having picked him up from the nov-league for buttons. Regardless of what you think about his ability or attitude, I don't see how any can think that it wasn't good business.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Evidence here of calling a player with the benefit of rumour and speculation.

He has talent. He is human. He is young.
Part of a managers job is to nurture that talent and get the best from it.
Clough was vilified for being very harsh on the lad....as he was with McNulty. Perhaps there was a reason for this?
And perhaps the reason we saw inconsistency last season is Adkins failure to manage the player.

Wilder would have sorted the lad, but opted instead to sell him and fund purchases of others. Good decision it turns out.

But let's remember that we are speculating on a kid who's not even at our club, and some are slating him. Have no lessons been learned from the rise of Coutts and Freeman? Two players vilified by nearly all as recently as August? Yet now (as I said they would BTW) crucial parts of a success side.

Birmingham, are a fuck wit club. Sacked a top manager to bring in a name....anyone see any similarities? They have a manger with no clue. That's not gonna help Adams or anyone else. But I would be wary of saying Adams will never make it big, because he may just be one top manager away from that.

 

[tyke1889]

I said before we signed Lavery that I'd much rather have him than Adams. I absolutely stand by that 100%. Much better attitude, similar positions, not fat. And also more of a threat with the ball at his feet - he doesn't just try and run through defenders for a start, or attempt shitty nutmegs all the time. Or dive.

No we've got Samir for that.

 

[YES Blade]

I said before we signed Lavery that I'd much rather have him than Adams. I absolutely stand by that 100%. Much better attitude, similar positions, not fat. And also more of a threat with the ball at his feet - he doesn't just try and run through defenders for a start, or attempt shitty nutmegs all the time. Or dive.

Lavery could be better than Adams I agree, but aren't you slightly disappointed in him? To me he needs to be making it a lot harder for Wilder to not start him.

 

[Ricky]

No we've got Samir for that.

But Samir's called Carruthers, and he's a loveable rogue with the ability to back it up, so he can do what he likes.

Lavery could be better than Adams I agree, but aren't you slightly disappointed in him? To me he needs to be making it a lot harder for Wilder to not start him.

I just think he's been unfortunate more than anything. He was doing quite well when he was in the team and was only going to get better. He appears to have a poor goalscoring record but his appearances have been scattered all over the place with a lot of brief cameos, he's had no consistent run in the team. And we then signed an established experienced player in Hanson who Wilder will feel obliged to start, and at the moment he's worth his place in the team. But personally I'd rather see Lavery start ahead of him more often than not.

 

[Tyler Durden]

He's a shit Jordan Slew and that's that.

 

[Superblades]

Just seen the highlights and on another day he could have had a hat trick. Green made a good save to keep it at 0-0 and he had a couple of other chances.

 

[Good Pinch Of Snuff]

I'm not trying to say that Adams is the next big thing or anything. I'm just comparing him to our current strikers and would he improve our strike force.

At this moment in time Adams would improve our squad and would be either a starter or on the bench in the Championship for us. I can't see how anyone can disagree with that?

i think your missing the point, its not about his performances on the pitch its about his antics off it, Wilder saw it and had him out

 

[Snowman]

 

[JordoBlade]

Let's not lower ourselves to his level. Let's just beat him and his beloved Birmingham and hopefully finish above them next season should we get promoted.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Hate him as much as anyone for his disrespect of our club, but he's clearly a very good and promising player and would get in our team now and next season.

 

[Hodgyman]

I thought that Che was a great young prospect when he first arrived. The lad disrespected himself and his own potential by not having enough sense and self discipline for a professional sportsman.

CW did well to offload him and get a unrealistic price for him. I guess that Birmingham paid what he could potentially be worth, but I'm not sure that he will ever achieve that potential.

I do not feel any animosity to the lad, just pity for his failings

 

[coolhandluke]

Evidence here of calling a player with the benefit of rumour and speculation.

He has talent. He is human. He is young.
Part of a managers job is to nurture that talent and get the best from it.
Clough was vilified for being very harsh on the lad....as he was with McNulty. Perhaps there was a reason for this?
And perhaps the reason we saw inconsistency last season is Adkins failure to manage the player.

Wilder would have sorted the lad, but opted instead to sell him and fund purchases of others. Good decision it turns out.

But let's remember that we are speculating on a kid who's not even at our club, and some are slating him. Have no lessons been learned from the rise of Coutts and Freeman? Two players vilified by nearly all as recently as August? Yet now (as I said they would BTW) crucial parts of a success side.

Birmingham, are a fuck wit club. Sacked a top manager to bring in a name....anyone see any similarities? They have a manger with no clue. That's not gonna help Adams or anyone else. But I would be wary of saying Adams will never make it big, because he may just be one top manager away from that.

There's a fundamental difference between someone like Coutts and Adams . Coutts can actually play football at a high level , Adams can't .

Whilst Adams attitude , or more pertinently lack of it , doesn't help him . It's his distinct lack of footballing ability that's he's able to apply on a consistent basis that tells me all I need to know about him .

He is technically poor , can't read the game and his poor attitude merely compounds all of this . Sharp was exasperated to the point of anger last season trying to play upfront with him .

My only abiding memory of Adams is the fact that we got good money for a talentless ' player ' . Best piece of business for us since we sold Lee Morris to Derby .

 

[dillis]

A lot of idiots on this board.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I watched the whole game and as a footballer, Che Adams has progressed IMHO.

He is still young and the 2 apparent dives in the box were embarrassing. He probably felt a touch both times, but minor in the extreme. He needs to wise up very quickly as he had this reputation with us.

Going to be interesting when we play them next season.

UTB

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

At this moment in time he has started the last 4 matches, that suggests to me that Zola doesn't have any issues with him.

He used to have a bad attitude but Zola nipped it in the Budd....

 

[Tyler Durden]

The faux-paternalistic shite on here is quite nauseating.

"He's just a young lad, bless him. Let's pat him on the head and forget that he's a fucking arsehole."

 

[Sean Thornton]

But Samir's called Carruthers, and he's a loveable rogue with the ability to back it up, so he can do what he likes.




I just think he's been unfortunate more than anything. He was doing quite well when he was in the team and was only going to get better. He appears to have a poor goalscoring record but his appearances have been scattered all over the place with a lot of brief cameos, he's had no consistent run in the team. And we then signed an established experienced player in Hanson who Wilder will feel obliged to start, and at the moment he's worth his place in the team. But personally I'd rather see Lavery start ahead of him more often than not.

But looked what happened to THE Carruthers. A sad sad end.......


I think Lavery has a lot to offer. Certain circumstances have hindered his starts, I believe he'll show he's capable of more given the chance.