CONFIRMED Cameron Archer signs for the Blades - 4 year contract

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Scarebus said:
It's a huge assumption, but, I'd hope we can negotiate in our ability to trigger the buy back, rather than it auto trigger on relegation.

It gives us an option to keep archer regardless.
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Absolutely no way we could possibly afford him on relegation
 

Lord Eddard Muir said:
Or Archer joins Marc Bosman in the elite club of players who get a rule named after them. A rule which will probably be summed up as "clubs will no longer be allowed to 'do an Archer'"
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Or, powers that be see it as bending the rules and declaring him an elegiac lr player. At least they wont give us a points deduction as a president was set with West Am, oh, wait a minute……
 
Blade56 said:
Or, powers that be see it as bending the rules and declaring him an elegiac lr player. At least they wont give us a points deduction as a president was set with West Am, oh, wait a minute……
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They can't say that about him! Hang on, what?
 
Fair way of thinking about it based on what we know;

- Archer good/great season - chance of United staying up far better. If Villa came calling we may have to sell for double what we bought him for = 18m+ profit (minus wages) plus we bank another years premier league money

Archer poor/average season- United stay up chances = less likely but if we did Villa may think against activating buyback. But we get the Premier league money, have a 1 year more experienced Archer. Downside eats into next years striker budget a bit and we may only have funds for one more average priced striker. This scenario is a normal transfer scenario

Archer good/great season- United relegated. This sucks as we lose him but get our fee more pr less back and overall the deal was a good one after all Archer played well and this was the only way to get him. Next young Star striker off the Premier League conveyerbelt may fancy joining us as we are good for careers.

Archer poor/average season - we get relegated. Everyone will be fine with him leaving and getting our money back. Our young strikers that we own will all be a year more experienced and hopefully 2 of them realise their potential.

Brewster double whammy of injuries + relegation avoided unless it happens in year 2.

New owners may even try to pay our way out of the clauses if he is doing well.
 
Scarebus said:
It's a huge assumption, but, I'd hope we can negotiate in our ability to trigger the buy back, rather than it auto trigger on relegation.

It gives us an option to keep archer regardless.
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Yea this would be my hope too. Maybe 50% discount if Villa don't particularly want him back on their books? Then again, that would depend on whether another promoted team want to buy him for the same price we "paid"
 
Smirth said:
So if true and we go down, which lets face it, is the most likely option, we're in the same position again in 12 months time of needing a striker. Except this time we'll have another 3 out of contract (Jebbison, McBurnie & Osula), so we'll need 3 strikers - assuming they won't sign which isn't looking very likely at the moment.

We really are the masters of kicking the can down the road for another 12 months and putting ourselves in a weaker and weaker position.
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We could always try and get Osula and Jebbo on new deals but that seems like a bit too off the wall for the club at the mo.
 
Just rewatched his reel, plays and scores at devastating speed but to really capitalise on this talent he needs a target man with him. Akpom was just tapping in lots of his creations.

So excited about him and Hamer in the same team

For anyone wanting a bit of footy porn
 
Smirth said:
So if true and we go down, which lets face it, is the most likely option, we're in the same position again in 12 months time of needing a striker. Except this time we'll have another 3 out of contract (Jebbison, McBurnie & Osula), so we'll need 3 strikers - assuming they won't sign which isn't looking very likely at the moment.

We really are the masters of kicking the can down the road for another 12 months and putting ourselves in a weaker and weaker position.
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Got a (not ITK) feeling that Will (3 years) Marsh (3years) and Oli (2 years) sign. Jebbo potentially sold if injury clears up by/on deadline day (maybe suitors will be put off by his injury record and therefore even he signs).
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
At anything over £15m we are massively overpaying again here and carrying a large risk.
If he is a success, what can they then buy him back for, and does it cover the risk we're taking?
That's where this deal should be judged because he's currently a £10-12m player that we're nearly paying double for so if he's a success and keeps us up are we getting £40-50m for him? If he's a success and we go down anyway , do we have to sell a now £25-30m player for £20m or can we keep him?
As always the devil will be in the detail, and we'll never really know it until it's all played out.
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This is the thing though Bob. We only pay £18m if we stay up, at which point (you would hope) Archer will have played a part in securing a further £120m+ of income for the club. At that point £18m is a sound investment.

I don't disagree that Archer seems expensive at £18m but equally these are the other PL signings with a similar profile to Archer
Brentford: Kevin Schade (21, £22m). Scored 5 goals in 32 Bundesliga appearances (8 starts) and has yet to score in 20 PL games (8 starts).
Brighton: João Pedro (21, £30m). Has 4 PL goals (inc 1 penalty) in 31 appearances (16 starts)
Burnley: Zeki Amdouni (22, £16m). Scored 24 goals in 66 Swiss top flight appearances (53 starts) and 7 in 11 UEFA Conference League games (8 starts)
Everton: Chermiti (CF, 19, £10m). Scored 3 goals in 16 Liga Portugal appearances (9 starts)
Spurs: Alejo Véliz (CF, 19, £13m). Scored 17 goals in 53 Argentinian top flight appearances (42 starts)

United: Cameron Archer (CF, 21, £18m). Scored 18 goals in 40 Championship appearances (35 starts). No goals in 10 PL appearances (0 starts, total of 72 minutes)

At £18m, Archer sits exactly where you would expect in relation to those.
 
Smirth said:
So if true and we go down, which lets face it, is the most likely option, we're in the same position again in 12 months time of needing a striker. Except this time we'll have another 3 out of contract (Jebbison, McBurnie & Osula), so we'll need 3 strikers - assuming they won't sign which isn't looking very likely at the moment.

We really are the masters of kicking the can down the road for another 12 months and putting ourselves in a weaker and weaker position.
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But regardless of whether u go down or not, u need to buy a striker now for this season. This deal lets u buy a striker for this season and if u go down it hasn't cost u any money. So u will be relegated with more money in the bank to enable u to buy a striker.
 

Archer sounds good, made an impression in February & is at least better than what we have, because osula has huge potential but PL is too early for him. this month of premier league despite losing our 1st 2 has given me so much confidence. that there are worse teams in the league & i think we could stay up, because i think weve had harder games in the championship. you look at it Everton & Wolves look terrible, Luton have been written off by everyone. thats 3 right there that we could be better than. Forest dont look sparkling, how do Fulham go with Mitrovic, will Burnley live up to the expectations

although combat, i hope archers ready for combat, & thats he's ready to search for his dark side. because we need a goalscorer. incredibly brian deane is the only player to get double figures for us in the premier league
 
South Sea Blade said:
Yep. Last summer we kicked the can so far down the road we ended up in the Premier League.
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It was poor planning. Now you are in the PL you need to spend money on players that are good enough for the Premier League. Oh wait... you have done a deal where Archer is effectively signing for free. More kicking the can down the road, you could have told Villa to take a hike and paid Saints real money to buy Che Adams. Now you are lumbered with an extra 15m/20m cash that needs to be accounted for
 
Balham Blade said:
This is the thing though Bob. We only pay £18m if we stay up, at which point (you would hope) Archer will have played a part in securing a further £120m+ of income for the club. At that point £18m is a sound investment.

I don't disagree that Archer seems expensive at £18m but equally these are the other PL signings with a similar profile to Archer
Brentford: Kevin Schade (21, £22m). Scored 5 goals in 32 Bundesliga appearances (8 starts) and has yet to score in 20 PL games (8 starts).
Brighton: João Pedro (21, £30m). Has 4 PL goals (inc 1 penalty) in 31 appearances (16 starts)
Burnley: Zeki Amdouni (22, £16m). Scored 24 goals in 66 Swiss top flight appearances (53 starts) and 7 in 11 UEFA Conference League games (8 starts)
Everton: Chermiti (CF, 19, £10m). Scored 3 goals in 16 Liga Portugal appearances (9 starts)
Spurs: Alejo Véliz (CF, 19, £13m). Scored 17 goals in 53 Argentinian top flight appearances (42 starts)

United: Cameron Archer (CF, 21, £18m). Scored 18 goals in 40 Championship appearances (35 starts). No goals in 10 PL appearances (0 starts, total of 72 minutes)

At £18m, Archer sits exactly where you would expect in relation to those.
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A good comparison and facts - thanks Balham Blade, but I would say Brighton and Burnley are throwing a bit of money around and I think they've overpaid to get those deals done early. If we were paying similar levels to Everton and Spurs then I'd think it was at the right price.
 
Begley said:
But regardless of whether u go down or not, u need to buy a striker now for this season. This deal lets u buy a striker for this season and if u go down it hasn't cost u any money. So u will be relegated with more money in the bank to enable u to buy a striker.
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I seriously can't understand anyone thinking this is in any shape a bad deal for Utd or the other deals we've made this window, if we do get relegated we won't be losing massive amounts anything like the ones we lost from our last Premier experience i.e Berge, McBurnie & Brewster
 
Don't think I have an issue with this deal. We wouldn't be able to afford him without the buy back and it protects us if he doesn't deliver.

Definitely concerned we seem to be putting our goalscoring hopes on a young lad with half a good season behind him who's never bagged in The Premier League. That said nobody we could afford would guarantee us goals.

I hope people don't expect too much from him. If we don't create chances for him then he's not going to offer loads else unless he improves his all round game
 
Balham Blade said:
This is the thing though Bob. We only pay £18m if we stay up, at which point (you would hope) Archer will have played a part in securing a further £120m+ of income for the club. At that point £18m is a sound investment.

I don't disagree that Archer seems expensive at £18m but equally these are the other PL signings with a similar profile to Archer
Brentford: Kevin Schade (21, £22m). Scored 5 goals in 32 Bundesliga appearances (8 starts) and has yet to score in 20 PL games (8 starts).
Brighton: João Pedro (21, £30m). Has 4 PL goals (inc 1 penalty) in 31 appearances (16 starts)
Burnley: Zeki Amdouni (22, £16m). Scored 24 goals in 66 Swiss top flight appearances (53 starts) and 7 in 11 UEFA Conference League games (8 starts)
Everton: Chermiti (CF, 19, £10m). Scored 3 goals in 16 Liga Portugal appearances (9 starts)
Spurs: Alejo Véliz (CF, 19, £13m). Scored 17 goals in 53 Argentinian top flight appearances (42 starts)

United: Cameron Archer (CF, 21, £18m). Scored 18 goals in 40 Championship appearances (35 starts). No goals in 10 PL appearances (0 starts, total of 72 minutes)

At £18m, Archer sits exactly where you would expect in relation to those.
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Villa just sold Ramsey to Burnley for 14m too. Ramsey has never played one second of PL football. Archer played PL football 3 days ago against Everton. He is also a goal scorer which adds a premium to all players
 
Let’s hope Archer is like the main girl in one of those countless US teen movies, the girl with glasses who no one notices or thinks Is plane looking

Even though she CLEARLY FUCKIKG ISNT

Obviously better narratives out there but I’m happy with it
 
Begley said:
I think the FFP people will see this as a loophole and I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the rules to prevent clubs from doing this going forward. It is a cracking deal for a newly promoted club and allows the parent club to fudge their FFP numbers. A genuinely win win transfer. So hats off to whoever between Sheffield United and Villa came up with the idea.
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I agree they may not like it but I am struggling to see how they can prevent it. Clubs like Man City with partner clubs abroad could buy players from City, loan them to who ever they want and subsequently sell them back to Man City. I can see the multi club model being used in all sorts of ways to get round FFP
 
Roygbiv said:
Don't think I have an issue with this deal. We wouldn't be able to afford him without the buy back and it protects us if he doesn't deliver.

Definitely concerned we seem to be putting our goalscoring hopes on a young lad with half a good season behind him who's never bagged in The Premier League. That said nobody we could afford would guarantee us goals.

I hope people don't expect too much from him. If we don't create chances for him then he's not going to offer loads else unless he improves his all round game
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The problem is that to get a player that has bagged goals in the PL you are talking very silly transfer fees, at least 40m+ and they will want 100k+ a week. Archer is at about the highest level possible without having proven PL experience. The fee is reasonable, the insurance policy is great to have and his wages won't break the bank, he was on a reported 20k a week at Villa. I mean this with no disrespect to Sheffield United but I am surprised you got him, I expected him to go to a more established PL team e.g. Everton. But maybe they don't have the smart people to be creative with how to construct a deal to suit both parties.
 
Begley said:
I mean this with no disrespect to Sheffield United but I am surprised you got him, I expected him to go to a more established PL team e.g. Everton. But maybe they don't have the smart people to be creative with how to construct a deal to suit both parties.
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Think Everton's FFP problem is worse than Villa's
 
Begley said:
McAtee is a great player, if u could do a similar deal with City for him that would be huge for u guys
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McAtee is very talented….a poor man’s Phil Foden….good dribbler with a few tricks.
He wasn’t as effective as our other Man City loanee Doyle….who is more of an all rounder, engine room, always involved player.
Where as McAtee can go missing in games but then from no where comes up with a moment of class.
With McAtee you know you always have a chance.

Mouth of the South said:
The best striker I saw at the Lane last season and look forward to seeing how he does in the Prem. He will need service so adding another 1 or 2 creative players will be key.
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Was so impressed with Boro that night. Their whole team was on another level above ours…with Akpom and Archer up front looking class.
Boro was one of the best away displays I’ve seen at Bramall Lane during the past few years and that included when we were in the Premier League.

Most of our fans decided there and then….that Boro team wouldn‘t lose another match and would pip us to promotion.
Obviously they couldn’t keep up their superb form.
 
Scarebus said:
It's a huge assumption, but, I'd hope we can negotiate in our ability to trigger the buy back, rather than it auto trigger on relegation.

It gives us an option to keep archer regardless.
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What if Villa said….no problem….we’ll sell to Burnley then instead.
Thats the problem….when you’re desperate we have to do what works in the short term.
At least there’s little financial risk regards being left with a large debt and having no means to pay it.
 

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