Brian Deane
Well-Known Member
Does this figure thats been plucked out of thin air include the wages. Not just the players wages but the Clubs wages as a whole ? Were doomed doomed if it is
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I don’t believe it’ll be as low as £20 million for a moment however if it was true, it would be a truly fascinating window. Unknown names and unfancied talents coming in with us all wondering what CWAK had in mind and what they could do with them. If true, bring it on as the other PL teams would be in a much worse mess than us, and I’ll take our talent scouting from the lower leagues over theirs.
But as we've said many times before, few if any, fees are paid in one lump sum.I suspect it might be a bit less, unless that's wages and transfers. We'll have chopped a bit of the wage bill with people leaving at the end of the season. I suspect he'll raise some money from sales as well.
Buying the club and losing £20 million of TV money, plus all that gate money lost. I suspect it will be a fairly frugal window, unless a long-term target pops up (such as a keeper).
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Again.Wrong market to look at.
Value is always abroad.
He's got a mortgage though so he didn't have to blow a £50m+ hole in the budget.
But as we've said many times before, few if any, fees are paid in one lump sum.
All our costs have to be calculated over a timescale of 2-3 years, which includes at least one PL season payment, plus 2 further seasons of parachute payments.
Plus, I presume that most sensible clubs, of which we are certainly one, will have clauses in contracts to cover relegation from the PL
If Lundstram cannot get a new contract, despite the current wage expenditure being really low, why is there an assumption that more money will be available next season?
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Again.
Spout your shite elsewhere and save me having to put you on ignore, there’s a good lad.
The first team squad also share a £10m bonus for stopping up.McBurnie is on £20k a week thanks to the court ruling being based on 150% of his wage.
Think we must give out decent signing bonuses to keep the wages low.
It has always been cheaper to buy players from abroad, because the money circulating in our game is so much greater than that in Spain/France/Germay/Italy/Holland etc. Largely because it is spread out much more fairly.
Football clubs get themselves into financial difficulty so often in our football pyramid because the rewards/incentives of dining at the top table, the PL, are so high, especially at PL level.
Maguire/Van Dijk costing around £80 million is a perfect example of this, how many sides in France, outside of PSG, could demand the fees that both Leicester and Southampton did for those players? Especially given how Maguire was nothing special at the time of his transfer, Van Dijk was clearly levels above.
Benrahma signed for Brentford for around about £3 million, from Nice, a club in the top flight in France. Now, Brentford are looking at £30 million+ should they sell him to a PL club, even more should they get promotion themselves.
To put it even more simply, the foreign market is obviously far larger than the English/British market, so prices are less because of the increased supply over demand. Especially with the Home grown rules when picking squads.
McBurnie is on £20k a week thanks to the court ruling being based on 150% of his wage.
Think we must give out decent signing bonuses to keep the wages low.
Whatever it is, I don’t think finishing higher than expected will have much impact on Wilders transfer budget.
Bonus’s will eat into that money, and the obvious impact of Covid on the club to the tune of around £20-30m IMHO is hugely significant. I would expect that the bonus of finishing higher will do nothing but reduce the effects of Covid n the club. There may also be effects of the asset purchases, and the plans to upgrade facilities, though these could of course been covered through mortgages.
Saying that, a higher pkacebe a huge benefit when competing with Brighton/Watford/Palace and the like next season, but only because they too will have similar issues with lost revenue.
We may sell one or two, look to cash in if Wilder has a plan lined up to replace, we may get a bit in if Bournemouth sell Brooks and Ramsdale.
But we spent a wedge on Berge, and I suspect that may have been a large portion of the planned budget BEFORE the Covid intervention.
So in all, I will confidently say we will spend significantly less than last summer. If it’s as much as half again I will be amazed.
Concerning, because I fear a few players will need upgrading to keep with the plan of constant improvement as many of these lads have shown that unless they are at their very best we don’t compete.
I’m less concerned about the back line, but certainly the creative aspect needs work, and up front we lack real individual threat.
We need Wilder and his team to pull some gems out of the bag again!!
We will have budgeted for 17th - £105m. We can’t finish lower than 10th - £120m? We could finish 7th - £127m? If we do finish 7th and Man U/Chelsea win the cup, we then have Europa league money as well. The prince remortgaged the £50m for McCabe at £10m a season over five years, so providing we keep CWAK happy, what’s to whittle about?Whatever it is, I don’t think finishing higher than expected will have much impact on Wilders transfer budget.
Bonus’s will eat into that money, and the obvious impact of Covid on the club to the tune of around £20-30m IMHO is hugely significant. I would expect that the bonus of finishing higher will do nothing but reduce the effects of Covid n the club. There may also be effects of the asset purchases, and the plans to upgrade facilities, though these could of course been covered through mortgages.
Saying that, a higher pkacebe a huge benefit when competing with Brighton/Watford/Palace and the like next season, but only because they too will have similar issues with lost revenue.
We may sell one or two, look to cash in if Wilder has a plan lined up to replace, we may get a bit in if Bournemouth sell Brooks and Ramsdale.
But we spent a wedge on Berge, and I suspect that may have been a large portion of the planned budget BEFORE the Covid intervention.
So in all, I will confidently say we will spend significantly less than last summer. If it’s as much as half again I will be amazed.
Concerning, because I fear a few players will need upgrading to keep with the plan of constant improvement as many of these lads have shown that unless they are at their very best we don’t compete.
I’m less concerned about the back line, but certainly the creative aspect needs work, and up front we lack real individual threat.
We need Wilder and his team to pull some gems out of the bag again!!
I think our final league position will be a huge bonus on what our projected finances were at the start of the season. Only cos I imagine they would have planned for a worst case scenario. The question is did the forecast change that dramatically in January before the purchase of Berge and then Covid hitting.
We will have budgeted for 17th - £105m. We can’t finish lower than 10th - £120m? We could finish 7th - £127m? If we do finish 7th and Man U/Chelsea win the cup, we then have Europa league money as well. The prince remortgaged the £50m for McCabe at £10m a season over five years, so providing we keep CWAK happy, what’s to whittle about?
It’s hard to judge, yes the increase prize money may be an unexpected bonus but that may be why we jumped and got Berge in?
if we hoped to just stay up then through finishing higher we could be £15-20m better off. But Covid alone will swallow that and much more when loss of match day revenue plus tv money refund is added up.
I’m not being downhearted at all, and the market value may of course be better given every club is in the same boat, but I just suspect we may be competing with a lot more clubs this summer compared to last, and finding value and competing with other premier league sides in terms of wages etc will make this window extremely hard for us to find improvements to what we have.
We will have budgeted for 17th - £105m. We can’t finish lower than 10th - £120m? We could finish 7th - £127m? If we do finish 7th and Man U/Chelsea win the cup, we then have Europa league money as well. The prince remortgaged the £50m for McCabe at £10m a season over five years, so providing we keep CWAK happy, what’s to whittle about?
Plus.performance bonuses?McBurnie is on £20k a week thanks to the court ruling being based on 150% of his wage.
Think we must give out decent signing bonuses to keep the wages low.
When will Wilder understand that we need pace to be successful?I keep saying it ! if we dont add quality and pace this window next season will be a struggle.
Wilder said himself stand still and we go backwoods.
2nd season syndrome looms large we have to strengthen.
We currently have the best defence bar Liverpool? Yet people are talking of spending a large chunk of our budget there? Bogle, Lewis, Robinson. The midfield is well covered. Yet £14m for Eze keeps getting bandied about. The forwards and keeper are the problem. So surely that’s where we look to spend the serious money? if the defence and midfield ain’t broke, why look to fix it? If the roof on your house is leaking, you don’t buy a new door first, do you? Get the forwards and keeper sorted, then pad out the rest of the squad with the loose change.Nothing. Why discuss it at all?
Though given the headline title on this “discussion forum” is the “budget 20/21“ I would say we are here speculating and reasoning what we can expect in the summer, and what that might mean for next season.
To answer your other points.
I’m sure the club is doing everything to keep CWAK happy.
And yes, everyone knows the prize money is higher. But that will be in excess to the increase we have already spent.
So in simple terms we were expecting a minimum amount and set our budget accordingly For the year. We bought players, spending it in a way that the payments out would be covered by future premier league money in (at worst parachute payments)!
So on that front, every extra year we stay in the premier allows us to extend what we are doing. So it’s not like we can spend all our budget every year, we have spent big for us last season with a view to that being paid over three years.
We achieved the main objective in staying here for next season. We need to progress but can at best only add one or two if we pay fees similar to last season.
Example.
Year 1- 10 players in paid over three year period.
year 2- still paying for 10 players from last year, plus want more. So buy say 5...means we are now paying for 15 players.
Year 3(if we stay up) we are paying for 15 players...want more...you get the picture!
what I’m trying to say is that nearly all clubs go up and spend the most in their first year, then much less subsequently. We will be exactly the same unless there is some intervention through further investors.
How do you know that?The prince remortgaged the £50m for McCabe at £10m a season over five years, so providing we keep CWAK happy, what’s to whittle about?
Take your point but pace does give us another string to our bow.When will Wilder understand that we need pace to be successful?
1st season - Lavery and Sharp
2nd season - Clarke and Donaldson
3rd season - Sharp and McGoldrick
4th season - McBurnie and McGoldrick
I bet if we won the Champions League people would say, 'that's all well and good, but if we don't add some pace and quality next season we are DEFINITELY going to struggle'. When will the myth end?
I also think it's disrespectful to assume a team of players who have finished top half will struggle next season, as if what they've achieved this season is some sort of fluke.
Take your point but pace does give us another string to our bow.
Leicester are a good example of what pace adds to your armory.
Weve done great ! But when under cosh pace on the break gives teams something to think about .We try to hit on the break ,pace would make us more dangerous.
City are being caught out with pace on the break repeatedly at the moment.
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