Berge

[Living In a Fantasy World]

He has a release clause, if it's met we can't do anything, if we sell him for less then we are potentially shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

If we wanted to cash in ..last summer would have been the time to do it & then re-invest .. not a couple of days before a transfer window closes & under a embargo ..
Hecky wanted competition for each position, you not gonna get that by parting with Khadra & potentially Berge

 

[bertieblade]

We never received a decent offer in the Summer, apparently the interest of a number of clubs has forced the price up to something that is deemed to be acceptable

 

[Bladesman]

We never received a decent offer in the Summer, apparently the interest of a number of clubs has forced the price up to something that is deemed to be acceptable

Sounds good. I do think we want close to 20mil or around what we paid for him.

January is silly season for transfer fees.

 

[Montytheblade]

Heard it's likely to be closer to 30m now. As a previous poster mentioned, due to the amount of interest that is being shown. Which is superb business to be honest,

 

[Ned the Donkey]

For transfers in general, what if clubs agree terms etc and then the player says, "No thanks, I'd rather stay."
Are there precedents for that. I know it's usually the other way round with players angling for a move, but there must be instances of a player refusing to be transferrered?

 

[Mendi]

Reports from Newcastle are seeking a loan deal for him.

 

[Sheffsteel]

If he goes to Fulham it proves that he really isn't ambitious we surely will be in the premier league with them next season and we are a bigger club than them imho

We are definitely bigger than Fulham but they are a more attractive club than us.

You can't underestimate just how London is such a massive pull for players around the world.
Their stadium (from a player point of view) will also be better than ours next season and they will be paying him higher wages than we can afford.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Selling berge is a terrible idea

One of the only players who is capable of stepping up to the prem

Agree that Berge is well capable of stepping up to the PL, he DOES have quality and I rate him, even though he's been poor since the World Cup.
However I see Berges value at Sheff Utd in a very similar light to Pogba at Man Utd.

Pogba was regularly underwhelming at Man Utd but no one ever said Pogba was past it.
He was still rated as an in demand top player with a decent transfer value.

Same with Berge. I think if Berge goes to Fulham for 25 million, then it's a win, win, win situation, everyone is a winner.

We're happy because for us, he's often played like a 15 million player, with occasionally rare glimpses of being a 30 mil player.
Fulham will be happy because you can easily imagine Berge looking comfortable and being really good in the PL. Then Fulham will have got themselves a bargain.
And finally the player is happy, he'll probably see his salary increased to £50K a week and be living in one of the most desirable cities in the world.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

The annoying thing is, you can tell there's a real togetherness about this squad and they arguably want to try and stick together and finish what they've started.

 

[Champagneblade]

The club is forcing him out per Hecky

There’s problem a matter of interpretation between wants to stay and isn’t campaigning to leave.

If he’s on 35k here, he will be paid 70k there.

Fulham aren’t getting relegated so he has minimum 18 months of a go at the Premier League.

As a foreigner he has a chance to live in the capital where his mate, the Arsenal lad, plays.

He may not be pushing but if the clubs agreed he’ll have no problem signing up with them.

Yes this ground is a bit shit but small difference when you compare both location and money. Plus they have a genuine chance to get into Europe even if it’s just the Conference League. Europe seems to be a pull for some players even though you can line up half the time against teams no better then Wrexham.

 

[nopigfansintown]

 

[Gin&Juice]

Bahh he wanted to go! But I think it was more down to Charles Green than the club itself.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Bahh he wanted to go! But I think it was more down to Charles Green than the club itself.

Charles green sells the team. He shit himself about the numbers and panic sold. Many parallels here I presume.

 

[Kev Gee]

For transfers in general, what if clubs agree terms etc and then the player says, "No thanks, I'd rather stay."
Are there precedents for that. I know it's usually the other way round with players angling for a move, but there must be instances of a player refusing to be transferrered?

Very rare but it does happen.
Didn't Dane Whitehouse refuse a transfer?
Regards Berge. I think he may not want a move but will do whatever he is agent advises. If the club you play for makes it clear they want you gone. Then it would be silly to stay. As long as we can bring in someone to replace him then we shouldn't be weaker.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Very rare but it does happen.
Didn't Dane Whitehouse refuse a transfer?
Regards Berge. I think he may not want a move but will do whatever he is agent advises. If the club you play for makes it clear they want you gone. Then it would be silly to stay. As long as we can bring in someone to replace him then we shouldn't be weaker.

Agent advises … go sign away and make me some dosh shocker!!

 

[nopigfansintown]

There’s problem a matter of interpretation between wants to stay and isn’t campaigning to leave.

If he’s on 35k here, he will be paid 70k there.

Fulham aren’t getting relegated so he has minimum 18 months of a go at the Premier League.

As a foreigner he has a chance to live in the capital where his mate, the Arsenal lad, plays.

He may not be pushing but if the clubs agreed he’ll have no problem signing up with them.

Yes this ground is a bit shit but small difference when you compare both location and money. Plus they have a genuine chance to get into Europe even if it’s just the Conference League. Europe seems to be a pull for some players even though you can line up half the time against teams no better then Wrexham.

When a club wants to sell a footballer it's brutal. They get a call to go to a meeting with club officials. They are told we've accepted a bid from x,y,z, we want you out, go and speak to them. The manager is often involved in the process which leads to the "I know where I'm not wanted" feeling. It takes immense strength of character to do a Dane Whitehouse if that's what you want to do. You are told "we don't want you".

From what I know of Sander he's been told "the club want you out but there's a price". This isn't a new development. He's been living in a hotel since before the last window. Despite significant wage cuts he's never rocked the boat and had expressed a desire to get promoted with United. He's even been playing through an injury for several months and put his hand up to play yesterday (despite potentially jeopardising moves).. Compare and contrast with Ramsdale...

SUFC ultimately have the power as he's under contract. The managers carefully chosen words tell us who is driving the move.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Agree that Berge is well capable of stepping up to the PL, he DOES have quality and I rate him, even though he's been poor since the World Cup.
However I see Berges value at Sheff Utd in a very similar light to Pogba at Man Utd.

Pogba was regularly underwhelming at Man Utd but no one ever said Pogba was past it.
He was still rated as an in demand top player with a decent transfer value.

Same with Berge. I think if Berge goes to Fulham for 25 million, then it's a win, win, win situation, everyone is a winner.

We're happy because for us, he's often played like a 15 million player, with occasionally rare glimpses of being a 30 mil player.
Fulham will be happy because you can easily imagine Berge looking comfortable and being really good in the PL. Then Fulham will have got themselves a bargain.
And finally the player is happy, he'll probably see his salary increased to £50K a week and be living in one of the most desirable cities in the world.

When pogba was fit fot manure he was there best player by a country mile

Players look different in different teams put pogba in a man city team he would look the best midfielder in the world

Put berge in a passing team like Fulham he will look very good IMO

Though if we can get 20 mill for him which i doubt then its a decent deal

 

[Charlieblade]

Very difficult choice for Berge.
Stay with the Blades
Move to another club
Listen to the agent, the current manager and the current board.
The flash to bang times seems short on this one, but he, and we knew it was coming, sooner or later.
I can see the attraction offered by Fulham, but his best move from a coaching and football perspective would be a move to Newcastle. No money worries, a good manager and a fairly certain top six future.
We know he will move sooner or later. Get it done now if money is made available for a new striker and a midfielder.
Don’t forget to pay that bill as well.

 

[Stu_Blade]

Very difficult choice for Berge.
Stay with the Blades
Move to another club
Listen to the agent, the current manager and the current board.
The flash to bang times seems short on this one, but he, and we knew it was coming, sooner or later.
I can see the attraction offered by Fulham, but his best move from a coaching and football perspective would be a move to Newcastle. No money worries, a good manager and a fairly certain top six future.
We know he will move sooner or later. Get it done now if money is made available for a new striker and a midfielder.
Don’t forget to pay that bill as well.

The catch with Newcastle is they are only looking at a loan move according to reports. If we are to get rid, we need the cash now with a possible exchange deal to bulk up the midfield options. A loan deal to Newcastle would be the worst option of all.

 

[coaxingstar71]

When a club wants to sell a footballer it's brutal. They get a call to go to a meeting with club officials. They are told we've accepted a bid from x,y,z, we want you out, go and speak to them. The manager is often involved in the process which leads to the "I know where I'm not wanted" feeling. It takes immense strength of character to do a Dane Whitehouse if that's what you want to do. You are told "we don't want you".

From what I know of Sander he's been told "the club want you out but there's a price". This isn't a new development. He's been living in a hotel since before the last window. Despite significant wage cuts he's never rocked the boat and had expressed a desire to get promoted with United. He's even been playing through an injury for several months and put his hand up to play yesterday (despite potentially jeopardising moves).. Compare and contrast with Ramsdale...

SUFC ultimately have the power as he's under contract. The managers carefully chosen words tell us who is driving the move.

Dane was told by the club they’d accepted Birmingham’s offer and he could go, however he went to see Spackman who told him he definitely didn’t want him to go and so Dane turned it down. Presumably Sander or any other player under contract could do the same.

 

[adiosmiamigo]

I feel torn about Sander. On the one hand, teams seeking promotion shouldnt be selling their best players. On the other, the lad is quite inconsistent and injury prone. If we have to sell to pay our bills, I'd rather Sander go than Ndiaye - and If Sander is going, it must be on the proviso that someone else is coming in. Osborn is not an adequate level of cover. Not remotely.

And of course, any additional sales, e.g. Ndiaye would be suicide and unforgivable given where we are in the table.

For transfers in general, what if clubs agree terms etc and then the player says, "No thanks, I'd rather stay."
Are there precedents for that. I know it's usually the other way round with players angling for a move, but there must be instances of a player refusing to be transferrered?

Didn't Dane Whitehouse refuse to be transferred to Birmingham?

 

[Addison]

There was no better refusal from a player to be transferred in our history than that of the great Jimmy Hagan.

" despite United accepting what would have been a British record transfer fee of £32,500 from Wednesday in February 1951. Hagan rejected the transfer and Wednesday were relegated to the Second Division."

What a legend stood up to the Board and relegated the Pigs in one go .

 

[broomhillblade]

For transfers in general, what if clubs agree terms etc and then the player says, "No thanks, I'd rather stay."
Are there precedents for that. I know it's usually the other way round with players angling for a move, but there must be instances of a player refusing to be transferrered?

Jimmy Hagan refused a transfer to Wednesday after both clubs had agreed a fee.

From The Jimmy Hagan Story:
Meanwhile Sheffield Wednesday were having their own problems in the First Division and at the beginning of February 1951 made an audacious transfer bid of £32,500 for Hagan, who was by now 33 years old. Hagan told the Owls Secretary-Manager, Eric Taylor: “You surely wouldn’t think of paying all that money for a player of my age, would you?” Taylor replied: “I think you are just the man to pull us together for a few years if you come to Hillsborough.”

The Owls wanted Hagan to play alongside Derek Dooley and the United Board jumped at the offer, deciding in a vote of 9 – 2 that such a huge fee would be a fair return for the loss of their top player and talisman. The two clubs agreed the deal, subject to Hagan’s acceptance, but Wednesday insisted on an immediate decision so that Jimmy could play in the following Saturday’s game. The news hit the Sheffield public like a bombshell and there was talk of little else. Had it gone through, the transfer would have been a new British record. It would also have split the city down the middle for Hagan was regarded as irreplaceable at Bramall Lane. Hagan told the Wednesday management that he would think about it, whilst tens of thousands of Blades fans held their breath.

Finally, after giving it a great deal of thought he politely declined the offer. Whatever reasons he gave, we don’t know, but he told his family that he would not have been able to hold his head up in the city had he moved to Hillsborough. Financially, of course, it would have had little benefit for Hagan. Wages were still limited to a fixed maximum and players did not receive big signing-on fees. However, being in the First Division ‘shop window’ could have helped his chances of getting an England recall.

 

[Charlieblade]

The catch with Newcastle is they are only looking at a loan move according to reports. If we are to get rid, we need the cash now with a possible exchange deal to bulk up the midfield options. A loan deal to Newcastle would be the worst option of all.

Unaware of them only wanting a loan move, (although it would make sense for the barcodes). That would obviously be of no use to anyone.
A permanent move to Newcastle would be much better for him from a future footballing perspective.

 

[Maidenhead]

For transfers in general, what if clubs agree terms etc and then the player says, "No thanks, I'd rather stay."
Are there precedents for that. I know it's usually the other way round with players angling for a move, but there must be instances of a player refusing to be transferrered?

Dane Whitehouse, Birmingham City

 

[Keen Blade]

If he goes to Fulham it proves that he really isn't ambitious we surely will be in the premier league with them next season and we are a bigger club than them imho

Bigger but not richer and money talks

 

[Razor_Blade]

For transfers in general, what if clubs agree terms etc and then the player says, "No thanks, I'd rather stay."
Are there precedents for that. I know it's usually the other way round with players angling for a move, but there must be instances of a player refusing to be transferrered?

Yes Dane whitehouse did it when the club tried to sell him. He politely told them he wasn't going.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Jimmy Hagan refused a transfer to Wednesday after both clubs had agreed a fee.

From The Jimmy Hagan Story:
Meanwhile Sheffield Wednesday were having their own problems in the First Division and at the beginning of February 1951 made an audacious transfer bid of £32,500 for Hagan, who was by now 33 years old. Hagan told the Owls Secretary-Manager, Eric Taylor: “You surely wouldn’t think of paying all that money for a player of my age, would you?” Taylor replied: “I think you are just the man to pull us together for a few years if you come to Hillsborough.”

The Owls wanted Hagan to play alongside Derek Dooley and the United Board jumped at the offer, deciding in a vote of 9 – 2 that such a huge fee would be a fair return for the loss of their top player and talisman. The two clubs agreed the deal, subject to Hagan’s acceptance, but Wednesday insisted on an immediate decision so that Jimmy could play in the following Saturday’s game. The news hit the Sheffield public like a bombshell and there was talk of little else. Had it gone through, the transfer would have been a new British record. It would also have split the city down the middle for Hagan was regarded as irreplaceable at Bramall Lane. Hagan told the Wednesday management that he would think about it, whilst tens of thousands of Blades fans held their breath.

Finally, after giving it a great deal of thought he politely declined the offer. Whatever reasons he gave, we don’t know, but he told his family that he would not have been able to hold his head up in the city had he moved to Hillsborough. Financially, of course, it would have had little benefit for Hagan. Wages were still limited to a fixed maximum and players did not receive big signing-on fees. However, being in the First Division ‘shop window’ could have helped his chances of getting an England recall.

I was under the impression the rivalry between us and Wednesday only got anyway heated later than the 50's. Lots of people saying family members would watch both teams. This suggests even back then there was some "us and them" mentality going on. Maybe he had a bigger commitment to his fellow team mates. The wage cap would have helped, I've often wondered if a wage cap in the modern game would help foot all in general. Players choosing where they play on factors other than money.

 

[dn5 shaun]

We are definitely bigger than Fulham but they are a more attractive club than us.

You can't underestimate just how London is such a massive pull for players around the world.
Their stadium (from a player point of view) will also be better than ours next season and they will be paying him higher wages than we can afford.

Their stadium won't be better than ours next season, the new stand might be better than any of ours but the other 3 sides are awful. Behind the goals there's a pole holding the roof up right in the middle giving it restricted view, the stand opposite the new one is as old as the old John Street stand and decade's out of date.