Another Great Piece of Business

[bartman]

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When you fail to get promoted by such a small margin you have to view selling Beattie as a massive mistake because his goals would have most likely harvested the points we needed for promotion.

Maybe our bankers didn't give us a choice and our chairman wasn't prepared to(or able to) back us any further

 

[Bladesway]

Maybe our bankers didn't give us a choice and our chairman wasn't prepared to(or able to) back us any further

We have absolutely no proof whatsoever that the banks wouldn't let us finish the season with the best squad available to get promotion. Let me put it to you this way and you pretend to be the bank.

"Hi, you want your money back yes, well we are in a good position with the current team and squad to get promotion. If and when this happens then we will repay XX to you with the guaranteed money from this. Bearing in mind these quality players will be actually worth more when we come to a Premiership season it can only be to your benefit to stay with us on this.

If we don't get promoted then we agree to sell these players and you will get XX back. So your risk is lower and your return better. You also stand a better chance of getting the rest of the loan back quicker with us in the Premiership than in the Championship because of the improved revenue streams."

Pop Quiz.

 

[JohnDenver]

You say crock of shite, but he scores goals in the Championship, which is more than can be said for any of our current crocks.

Also, on your earlier point of good business. You really think that £1.2, paid on the never never is better than getting promoted? The value of promotion even out of this shit pit league has to be in millions for the club.

Don't just take into account what we sold them for but when we sold them. Beattie went when we were pushing for promotion to the Premiership along with almost all the rest of the decent players in that squad. When you fail to get promoted by such a small margin you have to view selling Beattie as a massive mistake because his goals would have most likely harvested the points we needed for promotion.

I actually said "sack of shit". I just can't stand him as a footballer so I wouldn't bother trying to reason with me - I'm too far gone.

Not sure what my earlier point about good business was? Are you mixing me up with someone else?

 

[Darren]

You say crock of shite, but he scores goals in the Championship, which is more than can be said for any of our current crocks.

Also, on your earlier point of good business. You really think that £1.2, paid on the never never is better than getting promoted? The value of promotion even out of this shit pit league has to be in millions for the club.

Don't just take into account what we sold them for but when we sold them. Beattie went when we were pushing for promotion to the Premiership along with almost all the rest of the decent players in that squad. When you fail to get promoted by such a small margin you have to view selling Beattie as a massive mistake because his goals would have most likely harvested the points we needed for promotion.

Thats actually quite a poor argument as, has been repeated ad nauseum here, we did better without Beattie than with him in 2008-09. Of course, that could have nothing to do with Beattie leaving and we may have been even better with him, but, prima facie* the evidence suggests that we were a better team without him

* Two Latin phrases in one post. Is this a record?

 

[Revolution]

Thats actually quite a poor argument as, has been repeated ad nauseum here, we did better without Beattie than with him in 2008-09. Of course, that could have nothing to do with Beattie leaving and we may have been even better with him, but, prima facie* the evidence suggests that we were a better team without him

* Two Latin phrases in one post. Is this a record?

Sharp dropped
Cotterill reinstated
Great defence
Crap attack when it mattered.

 

[bartman]

We have absolutely no proof whatsoever that the banks wouldn't let us finish the season with the best squad available to get promotion. Let me put it to you this way and you pretend to be the bank.

"Hi, you want your money back yes, well we are in a good position with the current team and squad to get promotion. If and when this happens then we will repay XX to you with the guaranteed money from this. Bearing in mind these quality players will be actually worth more when we come to a Premiership season it can only be to your benefit to stay with us on this.

If we don't get promoted then we agree to sell these players and you will get XX back. So your risk is lower and your return better. You also stand a better chance of getting the rest of the loan back quicker with us in the Premiership than in the Championship because of the improved revenue streams."

Pop Quiz.

reply from the bank

" if we extend your borrowing facilities will you provide a personal guarantee in case promotion isn't achieved ? will you also guarantee (by way of a personal guarantee) the sale price of the players you intend to sell if you are not promoted ? ."

The bank's role is to limit risk wherever and not expose itself to further un-necessary risk by speculatiing on a business model which would appear to have over-committed itself. To them to extend borrowing facilities security would have been required

By the way,I have no idea if the bank did intervene however,with the potential win from the Tevez affair(did we know the result at this stage ?) surely some of this money could have been used to pay the wages until the end of the season.

 

[bartman]

Sharp dropped
Cotterill reinstated
Great defence
Crap attack when it mattered.

don't think it helped us when Hendo got injured in the play off semi. However,i thought Blackwell got the team selection wrong at Wembley and should have gone with Halford up front (instead of the shot BT) with either Sharp or Ward next to him. Cotterill was a shoe in on the right wing and rightly played

 

[Darren]

Sharp dropped
Cotterill reinstated
Great defence
Crap attack when it mattered.

The game that did for us was the 0-0 jome draw draw against relegation threatened Forest on Easter Monday. That coming on the back of 5 consecutive wins. Win that and its in our hands in the last game...

 

[Pollingtonblade]

The game that did for us was the 0-0 jome draw draw against relegation threatened Forest on Easter Monday. That coming on the back of 5 consecutive wins. Win that and its in our hands in the last game...

Or the first game of the season, the last minute goal Birmingham scored.

 

[Darren]

Or the first game of the season, the last minute goal Birmingham scored.

True, had that not gone in, we would have gone up if all other results remained the same.....

 

[Guesty]

Or the first game of the season, the last minute goal Birmingham scored.

I said at the time that would cost us!

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

I said at the time that would cost us!

And that c*nt Phillips is still doing it to other clubs at the age of 97. He even put one or two past Brum this season.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

I do think people are often overly critical of our transfer policy.

For example, over the last few years, we have actually done pretty well in the transfer market:
1. Tonge - £2million - incredible business!
2. Henderson - £2million - not far off
3. Slew - £1million - Clearly nothing like some people were expecting
4. Lowton - "up to £3million" - Vague, but still great business for a 3rd tier club
5. Blackman - £1.2million - More great business IMO, for a player worth arounf £250k, who can turn that down? I also believe our downturn in form was much more correlated with the loss of miller rather than NB
6. Quinn - Nothing you can do about letting him go. A higher club came in for him, with the chance of over a million in our bank, again, we can't turn that down.

I actually think we have been pretty good in the 'outgoings' department of our transfer policy. Granted, movement inwards has been pretty sh*te, but no one can argue that we got less than the real value for any of the players above. We don't get robbed for players, we just sign some dross!

"i used to think you were crazy, but now i can see your nuts." - Austin Powers

 

[Bladesway]

Thats actually quite a poor argument as, has been repeated ad nauseum here, we did better without Beattie than with him in 2008-09. Of course, that could have nothing to do with Beattie leaving and we may have been even better with him, but, prima facie* the evidence suggests that we were a better team without him

* Two Latin phrases in one post. Is this a record?

My point is the goals he would have scored would have gathered at least another three points over the second half of the season. Sorry but the evidence of selling your top scorer shows you dont get promotion. Beattie, Blackman, Deane and Fjortoft are evidence of that alone.

The goals he scored kept Stoke up that season. 5 or 6 for us would have got us up.

 

[super_pig]

All that is true - we were backed into a corner (although we seem to be getting less than your best case scenario, no surprise there). The idiot move was extending Monty's contract in the summer of 2010, despite the fact that Britton and Quinn and Ertl were on the books. He brought nothing to the table that wasn't in the squad already and he was expensive.

and get this.. then repeated the mistake with Doyle and Collins ffs

 

[metalblade]

and get this.. then repeated the mistake with Doyle and Collins ffs

And Cresswell then compounds those mistakes giving short term deals to Kitson, Robson and Higginbottom .............. lets not mention the loans eh