09/11/09 - Barnsley v. Sheffield United

[Jim Chimmerney]

He made a proper bee-line for him in the summer so you would imagine he wanted him in the first team.

A bit like that winger from Wigan

 

[Robbie]

A bit like that winger from Wigan

Hmmmmm Wigan?

 

[Pinchy]

Soton,

The myth persists! Your favourite shadow-chaser was fit and plodding away merrily right at the start of the current exposure of Blacko's limitations. Coventry - conceded 3, one directly attributable to his appalling passing; Swansea - conceded 2, one directly attributable to his mistimed challenge. Ipswich - conceded 3, lucky to get a point. Given that evidence, and the general concensus that he adds absolutely nothing to our attacking play, what have we massively missed and where was 'it' in the aforementioned games?

 

[Come from away]

Actually the ref missed the handball against Moore when Walker crossed the ball and it stuck at Shottons foot. Moore stuck out his foot and then ball went off his hand and deflected to Shotton. Could have had three, game over.

 

[Greasy Chip Butty]

Not too sure about the shotton one, boots got tangled he was just trying to free himself, stupid to book Walker though. Bogdanavich was lucky in the first half after kicking Treacy after 'falling' over him, but Davies was very lucky to stay on. And very stupid doing that infront of the ref.

 

[Come from away]

It was actually Walker who headed the ball against our crossbar.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

i think he can only be judged once he has at least half a dozen of the injured lads back and available

The worst possible scenario for me is that he will get these "half a dozen" players back and win a couple of games here and there.

We're not going to go up under Blackwell this season and his record of signing players has been, on the whole, absolutely fucking awful. The chances of him taking us anywhere but further down the league (year on year) isn't good.

Not only have we got to watch him slowly rip the club apart from the inside and return us to a pre-Warnock state of mid-table championship obscurity (which is quite an achievement given the squad he inherited), we also have to put up with him playing the most inept, boring, bumbling hoofball to have ever graced a football pitch.

If he's still here in January I hope to hell McCabe doesn't give him a penny to spend, if he wants his money pissed up the wall he'd be better served giving away free beer at half time.

 

[Guesty]

Loving the shoes off approach I can see a trend happening,.

A trend started by Dirty Leeds... (or at least they did it before us)

 

[super_pig]

>I know i'm going to get slated for this.
not from me olle.. brilliant post mate.. bravo..

>this 'we have no right' bullshit
me neither.. i sometimes think they have realised they have a captive market.. they know we will support anything in red and white stripes.. it is in our dna.. it isn't as though we will go and buy brand y instead is it? are they taking the piss?

 

[Bramley]

How can you come out and defend that? It doesn't matter whether I went to the game or not. You might want to criticice me for not going to the game, but I'm not interested in that. I have 2 eyes and watched a truly awful performance.

Battle back. Are you winding me up? It was a complete fluke. We didn't have any shots on target. We got lucky and twice. If Barnsley had taken their chances (Macken in particular) then the game would have been betyond us. last night was awful. It's the icing on the cake for me. We only got back into the game on 2 lucky penalty decisions. The second was was definately a pen, but was soft from Barnsley's point of view and the first was dubious. Even if the first was a pen, then it was again soft from Barnsley's point of view.

We got back into the game, twice, because of Barnsley's poor finishing and their indiscipline. They should have buried us. Robbins will be furious that they completely dominated the game and threw it away. Don't kid yourself. We desrved nothing! People have been complaining for the last few weeks that we've been 'unlucky'. We'll last night it evened itself out as we were 'lucky' to come away with anything.

Why is Kilgallon arrogant? Hmmm. Did you see the way he reacted last night after his injury. He couldn't wait to get off the pitch. He made no attempt to run the injury off and then questioned Blackwell's judgement. Now Blackwell is a terrible manager, but it's not Killa's place to defy his orders or question what he has to say. Could you hear what Killa was saying from the stand Mousey? There were a lot of F words in there. Blackwell was saying something along the lines of run it off, hold on til h/t and killa replied with several fuck offs. Do you regard this behaviour as anything other than arrogant?

It always pisses me off when people come back with this 'we have no right' bullshit. We have no right to beat Barnsley because they area small shit club and a shit team. We have no right to expect to score becasue we have a £3.5 million partnership upfront. We have no right to win games because we have a good squad. Let's all just turn up to the games and hope for the best. Yes, that's it be happy and expect nothing. We have no right to expect anything from Sheffield United. I don't care how much we spend on the team, how good all our players are, we have no right to expect to beat anyone in this league. Thanks Mousey. I have a new philosophy. Oh, I can see this will be a happy season for me.

With that last paragraph mate, you sure you weren't following Leeds about 4 or 5 years ago?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Soton,

The myth persists! Your favourite shadow-chaser was fit and plodding away merrily right at the start of the current exposure of Blacko's limitations. Coventry - conceded 3, one directly attributable to his appalling passing; Swansea - conceded 2, one directly attributable to his mistimed challenge. Ipswich - conceded 3, lucky to get a point. Given that evidence, and the general concensus that he adds absolutely nothing to our attacking play, what have we massively missed and where was 'it' in the aforementioned games?

Agreed and in true Mock The Week stylie, if Monty is the answer, what's the question ?

 

[Micalijo]

You didn't think I'd let that one go did you

So why is it when we don't show character it's Blackwell's fault and when we do it's not down to him?

It's ultimately down to the players on an individual and collective basis. You'd expect Geary for example to outwardly show more guts and spirit than Killa say, but is that down to Blackwell, course not. I'll grant you that he can demotivate players but at the end of the day, you need players to have enough personal pride and fight and maybe they're the ones we've been missing in recent weeks.

Good effort 7 minutes Jim. I originally typed a sentence saying that my dislike of Blackwell is such that I can allow myself to believe comments like mine have a degree of validity, but thought that was obvious and also didn't want to ruin your fun, so deleted it before posting. Honest guv. You are quite right to pick me up on it though. I don't think spirit has been the problem at all - although Scunthorpe seemed bad and Blackpool. More a lack of quality and leadership.

On a related subject, did you see my post in reply to your about us getting results when coming from behind? I think you missed out Ipswich. Now we have Barnsley so that is 5 results when falling behind which I think is above average?

 

[Micalijo]

Fleety I have heard from a reliable source that IF (and only IF) we beat P'boro by no less than six goals in our relegation six-pointer with Evans scoring half of them, then we beat Bristol City by more than one clear goal, dispose of Plymouth with ease, then if we are leading 2-0 against Nottingham Forest on Tuedsay 8th December in the 88th minute our fans will be allowed to give Blackwell a little bit of credit, but mostly it will be down to the fans for not letting the rot continue, Gary Speed & general apathy from the opposition for taking us too lightly*

* All of this obviously would be neglected if Blackwell puts his left arm round an opposing manager at any stage during the matchday.

Please don't give up the day job Santos.

 

[super_pig]

>can only judged when he has a decent amount of fit players to choose from
i've had it with this.. look it is a bloody SMOKESCREEN.. up until last night only ward and monty were missing from the usual starting 11

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Good effort 7 minutes Jim. I originally typed a sentence saying that my dislike of Blackwell is such that I can allow myself to believe comments like mine have a degree of validity, but thought that was obvious and also didn't want to ruin your fun, so deleted it before posting. Honest guv. You are quite right to pick me up on it though. I don't think spirit has been the problem at all - although Scunthorpe seemed bad and Blackpool. More a lack of quality and leadership.

On a related subject, did you see my post in reply to your about us getting results when coming from behind? I think you missed out Ipswich. Now we have Barnsley so that is 5 results when falling behind which I think is above average?

I remember the post but not the detail

1 win and 5 draws I make it from 12 games where we've gone behind, probably average yeah. The worrying thing still is that we are conceding first (12 out of 16), especially when we seem so strong under Blackwell when we score first.

 

[Micalijo]

5 draws and 1 win if we include Ipswich.

 

[Ollessendro]

Ok Mousey/Micalijo I concede on the Kilgallon point. However everything else stands.

SotonBlade, you have to be be one of the most patient people in the world. How you can still be 'sat on the fence' after our recent form is beyond me. If the Dalai Lama was a Blade even he woould be callling for Blackwell to go!?

Flawed is spot on with what he says. He just emphasises my points further. There is much more to this than just current form. Blackwell is taking us into the abyss. I'm going to get slated for this, but if it gets rid of Blackwell then I hope that we lose against Peterborough. You've all seen that my shoes are already off. I'm not interested if people call me less of a Blade or whatever. I've seen the bigger picture and although it always hurts to see United lose, if it means we get rid of KB then so be it.

 

[super_pig]

>If the Dalai Lama was a Blade even he woould be callling for Blackwell to go!?
genius .. pure genius

 

[Ollessendro]

Yeah Santos I'd like to say Well Done Blades also.

Well done for chasing shadows last night lads. Well done for putting on one of our worst performances for some time. Well done for taking your chances. Well done for not stringing more than 2 passes together for the whole evening. Well done for making Bogdanovic and Anderson look like Messi and Xavi. Praise to the midfield for not being there. For allowing Barnsley to run over the top of them. Wow, we battled hard. Well done lads. Well done for being 2nd best. Well done for being lucky to get a result. Well done for putting in an embaressing performance. Give yourselves a pat on the back.

I know that things have been bad lately, but chalking up some positives from that shables is scraping the barell. However it's the same candidates who thought that losing by only 1 goal to 'in form' teams at home is progress. I know I am rambling on abnout this, but I am absolutely flabbergasted that people are still getting behid Blackwell after the shite he has served up in the last 2 months. And yes the team has to share some of the responsibility as they were awful.

 

[Santos]

Yeah Santos I'd like to say Well Done Blades also.

Well done for chasing shadows last night lads. Well done for putting on one of our worst performances for some time. Well done for taking your chances. Well done for not stringing more than 2 passes together for the whole evening. Well done for making Bogdanovic and Anderson look like Messi and Xavi. Praise to the midfield for not being there. For allowing Barnsley to run over the top of them. Wow, we battled hard. Well done lads. Well done for being 2nd best. Well done for being lucky to get a result. Well done for putting in an embaressing performance. Give yourselves a pat on the back.

I know that things have been bad lately, but chalking up some positives from that shables is scraping the barell. However it's the same candidates who thought that losing by only 1 goal to 'in form' teams at home is progress. I know I am rambling on abnout this, but I am absolutely flabbergasted that people are still getting behid Blackwell after the shite he has served up in the last 2 months. And yes the team has to share some of the responsibility as they were awful.

Look, if we had our full strength side out, had minimal injuries and they had played together atleast a handful of times and we played like that then I would completely agree with you. You have to take everything into consideration and if you don't do this then it's a very blinkered and one dimensional view.

Now relax ;-)

 

[Blunkett]

From a Barnsley point of view:

To be fair to us, we're actually not THAT bad. Someone earlier described us as a shit side, and I don't think we are. Average, but not shit. Robins has improved us immensely. If we still had Davey at the helm, you would probably have walked all over us again.

As for the penalties, i'd agree that the second one was nailed on. A typical wingers tackle from Hamill, and a good decision. Not sure about the first one, but if the boot was on the other foot, then I would have been up in arms had it not been given. I suppose that indicates that it probably was also the correct decision.

After lurking on here for the last week or so, I see you lot slate Henderson and Evans a lot. Bit harsh I think, as they had no service whatsoever from midfield. Any striker can look shit and dissinterested if they hardly have a meaningful kick of the ball. Your problem was the middle of the park. Quinn looked poor, and Harper did nothing apart from bollock his teammates.

The back five looked very shaky, but thats obviously down to the injuries and suspensions.

As for the 'incidents'? Macken and Davies should probably have both gone. Davies went to headbutt Macken after Macken flailed an arm at him. Either send them both off, or let them play on. To be fair to Clattenburg, he probably did the right thing.

Couldn't see the Shotton/Killgallon and the Shotton/Walker incidents as I sit near the away end. But I saw the Anderson/Treacy/Cornerflag stuff - it was 10 yards in front of me. Anderson shoves Treacy, Treacy goes down, Anderson trips over Treacy, Treacy points at Anderson, Anderson shoves him away. Probably a booking for Anderson I imagine.

Anderson, Walker, Bogdanovich probably best players on pitch, ref had a good game.

Fair?