New view of Lane re-development

[vorpal blade]

someone posted this on Old Photos etc ....... (forgot to look who, SOZ)

 

[MobileBlade]

En Tout Cas wasn't a building firm it installed tennis courts and football pitches to the best of my knowledge.

Really? ........

 

[Sheffsteel]

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someone posted this on Old Photos etc ....... (forgot to look who, SOZ)

That’s weird, looks like the mound of earth which defines “a Kop” has already been moved.
Maybe flattening the whole Shoreham Street site isn’t as big a job as we all thought.

It’s a shame our Kop wasn’t on the Bramall Lane side then could build retail outlets and restaurants and bars underneath and try to tie it in with the China Town development.

 

[MobileBlade]

I thought that Henry Boot built it.

And who contracted Henry Boot?

 

[stringer]

The plan is to move all the radio reporters and journalists from the back of the South stand over to the Media Centre between the Kop and South stand. This then frees up some additional seats in the South stand.

Is it?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Really? ........

No, I made it up.












Yes, really.

Hinchliffe owned EnToutCas. When the Kop was redeveloped to all seats, SH wasn't a Director.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

School Green Lane. There was a bunker under the helipad ! He's still there. Drinks in the Rising Son.

correct - you are well informed !

UTB

 

[MobileBlade]

No, I made it up.

Yes, really.

Gosh. Who would award a building contract to a tennis court surface company (that originally went bankrupt in 1994)?

 

[Working Class Hero]

That corner bit between the Kop and South can’t be used for seats because it’s well past the corner flag.

The corner bit is half office space and half a (massive) Media Centre for Sky tv and all the dozens of reporters that seem to turn up when the PL show is in town.

A full corner wouldn't be feasible but if we ever needed more seats there is plenty of room for a wing that would add a fair amount to the capacity. I'm not saying that should happen but I'd rather see that than a business centre.

 

[BushBlade]

There are still some clients that realise the importance of using the architect throughout the process to get better buildings - but what you say is usually true (sadly).

Novated isn't it? doesn't really matter because its a made up politically correct way of saying 'all but sacked' - substituted ......

Yes, it's novated but auto correct caught me out on that one.

 

[BushBlade]

Gosh. Who would award a building contract to a tennis court surface company (that originally went bankrupt in 1994)?

Same kind of stupid fuck that appoints a plumbing company to do their new underpinned basement and then wonder why their house fell down.

 

[vorpal blade]

That corner bit between the Kop and South can’t be used for seats because it’s well past the corner flag.

A full corner wouldn't be feasible but if we ever needed more seats there is plenty of room for a wing that would add a fair amount to the capacity. I'm not saying that should happen but I'd rather see that than a business centre.

WRONG - a full corner of seats is quite feasible - but you would have to demolish some of the side of the kop at least to put it in properly. But 'we' have to accept some demolition to PROPERLY do the job.

 

[vorpal blade]

That’s weird, looks like the mound of earth which defines “a Kop” has already been moved.
Maybe flattening the whole Shoreham Street site isn’t as big a job as we all thought.

Don't be afraid ..... the kop mounded up towards John Street, they had to build more terracing at 'this' end to make it level along the top.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No, I made it up.












Yes, really.

Hinchliffe owned EnToutCas. When the Kop was redeveloped to all seats, SH wasn't a Director.

Err, and he hadn't bought En Tout Cas at that point either.

 

[Sean Thornton]

correct - you are well informed !

UTB

Used to live close by!

 

[The Crab]

Don't be daft, you'd never get a fire certificate for a manatee!

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You have to know the right people

 

[Sean Thornton]

Gosh. Who would award a building contract to a tennis court surface company (that originally went bankrupt in 1994)?

Seeing as SH didn't own ETC in 1991 when the all seater Kop was finished and SH wasn't a director its hard to see how he had any involvement or the ability to appoint Henry Boot.

 

[Booker4]

En-Tous-Cas were merely the sponsors of the Kop for one or more seasons, I recall.

 

[Working Class Hero]

WRONG - a full corner of seats is quite feasible - but you would have to demolish some of the side of the kop at least to put it in properly. But 'we' have to accept some demolition to PROPERLY do the job.

Obviously it's feasible with some demolition, an airport is feasible with some demolition.

 

[Sheffsteel]

WRONG - a full corner of seats is quite feasible - but you would have to demolish some of the side of the kop at least to put it in properly. But 'we' have to accept some demolition to PROPERLY do the job.

So we’d lose at a guess 1000 seats on the Kop to gain at a guess 1000 seats by joining the 2 stands together to make a corner.
The Kop doesn’t stop at the corner flag, it goes beyond and almost behind the South stand, hence why some seats at the bottom corner have a no view (so taken the seats out).

 

[vorpal blade]

Well, yes - but instead of guessing, someone ought to do the profit - loss maths. I'm sure I did do it about 20 years ago.

If the existing kop is to be demolished (plenty of us think its had its day) this sum is immaterial anyway.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Used to live close by!

really?.............hello Mr Woolhouse

UTB

 

[The Crab]

really?.............hello Mr Woolhouse

UTB

Interpol still after him.........................

 

[Sothall_Blade]

The Kop was built by this fellow and "man with beard"
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This fellow also being the one-armed pot washer from Robin's Nest and "man with beard" being Mr Baxter from Grange Hill:-

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

As Bramall Lane has developed organically over the years there will always be areas of the ground that do not blend in well with other parts. The corners do not fit neatly, the stands have different rakes, older bits of the ground obscure newer bits etc.

The ground is also restricted by the road network that surrounds it and the needs of the local businesses and residents have to be taken into account.

If you are wanting a fit for purpose all singing all dancing stadium then the only alternative is to knock the whole thing down and start again. I don't believe there is any stomach for that from either the Board's point of view or the fans so we will have to put up with the old girl as she is.

Long may she continue to develop as she always has.

 

[Bladeloyal]

I thought that Henry Boot built it.

Correct

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

As Bramall Lane has developed organically over the years there will always be areas of the ground that do not blend in well with other parts. The corners do not fit neatly, the stands have different rakes, older bits of the ground obscure newer bits etc.

The ground is also restricted by the road network that surrounds it and the needs of the local businesses and residents have to be taken into account.

If you are wanting a fit for purpose all singing all dancing stadium then the only alternative is to knock the whole thing down and start again. I don't believe there is any stomach for that from either the Board's point of view or the fans so we will have to put up with the old girl as she is.

Long may she continue to develop as she always has.

Please please don’t start referring to Bramall Lane as the “old girl”

It’s stinks of the pigs calling their dump the ‘old lady’ , it sickly and it makes me want to throw up when I hear it.

 

[bromtom]

A corner would be possible if you build it in line with the end of the Kop but up stick it on stilts so it's not blocked by the South Stand. You could have a tunnel to access the Kop from the bottom underneath it so the height would be useful. Build it at the same or greater rake than the South Stand and then that wouldn't be in the way, and then like mentioned in my shit drawing post, they could fashion some kind of building above the corner, which would also act as the roof for the corner stand.

I've been at the pens again.

Here's like a little 3D thing

I'd prefer something like this though. Some seats at least. Hate the idea of filling the only corner we have that has genuine expansion potential with another business centre.

Would be an engineering challenge at the very least.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

A corner would be possible if you build it in line with the end of the Kop but up stick it on stilts so it's not blocked by the South Stand. You could have a tunnel to access the Kop from the bottom underneath it so the height would be useful. Build it at the same or greater rake than the South Stand and then that wouldn't be in the way, and then like mentioned in my shit drawing post, they could fashion some kind of building above the corner, which would also act as the roof for the corner stand.

I've been at the pens again.

Here's like a little 3D thing

I'd prefer something like this though. Some seats at least. Hate the idea of filling the only corner we have that has genuine expansion potential with another business centre.

Would be an engineering challenge at the very least.

I’m hoping McCabe see the potential for the extra seats. When the plans were originally drawn up our fan base was smaller. It’s grown and hopefully he’ll recognise this.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Would be an engineering challenge at the very least.

This is exactly why I suggested repeatedly, at every opportunity, well past the point that it was remotely amusing (if indeed it ever was), that we had to take advantage of the fact that Martyn Woolford had a degree in civil engineering. The man was never given a chance to prove himself.