Should the club take £1m for Brayford?

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Bladesman said:
Exactly, it's not just that as well. Players do go through periods of bad form often and it does not help when players around you are not in form either.

Like others have said already if we sold him do we really think the club would replace him with the same or better? Knowing us we would sell John, give Flynn his 1 year contract extension and play him at right back.
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To be fair to Flynn I think he'd do a decent job at wing back.
 



Ricky said:
1000% YES.

Or 750k.

Or 500k.

Only after replacing him though, ideally.

We could use the money but you've got to think about the wages he'll be on too, we could free up a lot of room.

We should never have anyone on that sort of money in League One. We shouldn't have a situation where one or two are paid much more than the rest, especially when they're nowhere near justifying it.

I think Brayford himself would probably rather move on now as well. I think he misses Daddy Nigel.
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That's nearer the truth than the delusional million.
We would have done well to get £500k if we had tried to offload when we bought him!
Such was the ludicrous obscenity of this Clough self centered purchase.
Be surprized if anyone would offer more than £250K now - at least to start.
Be shocked if anyone other than Clough would pay £500K for him.
He was just never that good, he's just a great attitude and if he's lost that he's nothing :(
 
MiserableBlader said:
That's nearer the truth than the delusional million.
We would have done well to get £500k if we had tried to offload when we bought him!
Such was the ludicrous obscenity of this Clough self centered purchase.
Be surprized if anyone would offer more than £250K now - at least to start.
Be shocked if anyone other than Clough would pay £500K for him.
He was just never that good, he's just a great attitude and if he's lost that he's nothing :(
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Brayfords not going on eBay with a starting price . I have said before the players around him , can certainly make him look a twat without trying .

It all depends on the clubs true intent . For starters you don't sell your best players , unless you have a ready made replacement as good or better. A pattern we have never known or worked to.

The other is that the manager has to sell before he can buy . If that's the case Brayford will go unless Adkins shows some balls and tells them to fuck off .

This season Brayford has not been up to scratch , mainly due to a serious injury . Does he want to leave , maybe he does , and has had enough.

The price for Brayford again IMO would be £500k . If we sell for that , then we are really in the shit big style.

UTB
 
Harry's Game said:
..if a Championship club offered it in the summer.

I would vote Yes.
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No chance.

I can't believe some on this thread are now crisitciing and getting on Brayfords back, and then somehow bringing it back to Clough.

Who's to say where we may be if we hadn't had Brayford this season, because I don't see any other right backs in the squad, and very few players with any pace.

Brayford may have not hit the heights of performances in previous years, but let's remember he's come back from a a serious knee injury, and I'd imagine he was rushed back a month ahead of schedule due to how crap we were doing.

Once he's had a proper pre season he'll be back to his best.

Finally, the biggest gripe of fans this season has been the unprofessionalism of so many of our players, their lazy attitude, don't care, lack of pace etc. so why would we want to get rid of a player who loves the club, is a leader in the example he sets, works hard and is professional.

We have so many more problems then to start actually wanting our better players sold and worse than that, to start turning on them.

And the money wouldn't get reinvested, so what's the point. I was okay with losing Murphy when they said the money would be reinvested and I thought we might get a top quality center half and midfielder, that turned to shit didn't it.

Brayford needs to stay if we're going up next season.
 
No no no and another definitely No. Love this guy. As people have said better people around him and a good pre season the beard will be back to normal although honestly don't think he has been as bad as some have suggested
 
sitwell said:
I slagged off an element of Quinns game ,and still do why he didn't make it as a regular in the premiership ,with his ability he easily should do. I loved Quinn still do but he could and should have done a lot better.
I also slag an element of Coutts game ,his chasing back and tackling are shocking but you have to recognise he brings pace to our side through his vision passing and control, and creates openings ,the other players are comfortable with giving him the ball in any situation because he is a footballer and gifted with the ball. He needs a good pre-season like Brayford ,he has missed a big chunk of his career and you can tell the way he plays he is still nervous ,but he is a player and his contribution needs to be recognised. I would love to see a comparison in our results this season when he has played and hasn't ,or when Baxter has played that position.
I never rated Porter but felt he got unfair stick some times as he was held out to dry by our tactics and players.

As for Coutts not making it into the team sometimes ,you have to ask the manager who is a joke in my eyes. Whatever he sees in Hammond is beyond me ,his performance yesterday was simply diabolical and yet he gets a shirt every week ,also gave away a stonewall penalty yesterday I thought.
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Much as I agree with you on most things SUFC Sitters, Coutts certainly isnt one of them! Whilst he undoubtedly has skill on the ball, vision and a good passing range, he has a heart the size of a pea.
All his good attributes are totally negated by his shocking inability to work, tackle and chase after about 30 minutes. I'm not sure whether it's lack of fitness or lack of interest in the cause. Either way it frustrates the fuck out of me to see a player blessed with some great gifts display such blatant lack of heart for the battle.
Having said all that, he'd still be in my starting XI at this point, such are the dire alternatives. But I'm sure opponents know only to well he'll disappear without trace pretty early on in a game. And don't even get me started on his goalscoring record as a professional!
As for his mate Brayford, surely destined to be jettisoned in the summer along with any other high wage earner. And on his form since return, we won't miss him. I (sadly) think John will never hit the heights of his halcyon days here again, his injury has robbed him of the vital edge his game requires.
A (reliable) little bird told me yesterday it's a 'kids' based first team squad next season, such is the drastic reduction in playing budget (hence the 10% ST reduction).
What a fucking continuing fiasco if this comes to pass....
 
LSF said:
Much as I agree with you on most things SUFC Sitters, Coutts certainly isnt one of them! Whilst he undoubtedly has skill on the ball, vision and a good passing range, he has a heart the size of a pea.
All his good attributes are totally negated by his shocking inability to work, tackle and chase after about 30 minutes. I'm not sure whether it's lack of fitness or lack of interest in the cause. Either way it frustrates the fuck out of me to see a player blessed with some great gifts display such blatant lack of heart for the battle.
Having said all that, he'd still be in my starting XI at this point, such are the dire alternatives. But I'm sure opponents know only to well he'll disappear without trace pretty early on in a game. And don't even get me started on his goalscoring record as a professional!
As for his mate Brayford, surely destined to be jettisoned in the summer along with any other high wage earner. And on his form since return, we won't miss him. I (sadly) think John will never hit the heights of his halcyon days here again, his injury has robbed him of the vital edge his game requires.
A (reliable) little bird told me yesterday it's a 'kids' based first team squad next season, such is the drastic reduction in playing budget (hence the 10% ST reduction).
What a fucking continuing fiasco if this comes to pass....
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Just about agree with that but ,the problems with Brayford and Coutts ,and many others in our squad stem from the manager for me. Under Clough I felt we were a club ,the players and the fans ,I really felt Clough was getting the club back to a feeling of a club for the first time since warnock ,from the juniors to the first team and building a long term goal Shame some fans sadly turned against the manager 18 months into this plan. And then we get this prick Adkins and his awful backroom staff ,signings like Woolford ,sammon and Hammond ,sucking the lifeblood out Sheffield United ,leaving the fans worse than despondent ,couldn't care less. I actually laughed when Billy got the winner ,I was more interested in going to the pub. No manager has done this to me as a long serving fan ,and I do believe this is rubbing off on the players. The whole club is as bad as I can ever remember it. He is poor poor manager ,no man management skills ,tactically awful ,substitutions beyond belief and no idea about Sheffield united and how we operate at all. I am missing the next 3 games as Im away and I don't care a toss ,it really takes something for me to feel this way about Utd. Hope hes gone when I get back.
 
sitwell said:
Just about agree with that but ,the problems with Brayford and Coutts ,and many others in our squad stem from the manager for me. Under Clough I felt we were a club ,the players and the fans ,I really felt Clough was getting the club back to a feeling of a club for the first time since warnock ,from the juniors to the first team and building a long term goal Shame some fans sadly turned against the manager 18 months into this plan. And then we get this prick Adkins and his awful backroom staff ,signings like Woolford ,sammon and Hammond ,sucking the lifeblood out Sheffield United ,leaving the fans worse than despondent ,couldn't care less. I actually laughed when Billy got the winner ,I was more interested in going to the pub. No manager has done this to me as a long serving fan ,and I do believe this is rubbing off on the players. The whole club is as bad as I can ever remember it. He is poor poor manager ,no man management skills ,tactically awful ,substitutions beyond belief and no idea about Sheffield united and how we operate at all. I am missing the next 3 games as Im away and I don't care a toss ,it really takes something for me to feel this way about Utd. Hope hes gone when I get back.
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Yep, think we are on the same page on this... And similar to you, I've probably seen my last game this season, holidays sees me miss next two home games then it's into dry dock for some parts renewal that will stop me seeing any more games.
Can't say as I'm upset at that and if he's gone by then, hey ho...
 
Given our proven history of always replacing our existing players with worse players, it's an easy no for me.
 
sitwell said:
Just about agree with that but ,the problems with Brayford and Coutts ,and many others in our squad stem from the manager for me. Under Clough I felt we were a club ,the players and the fans ,I really felt Clough was getting the club back to a feeling of a club for the first time since warnock ,from the juniors to the first team and building a long term goal Shame some fans sadly turned against the manager 18 months into this plan. And then we get this prick Adkins and his awful backroom staff ,signings like Woolford ,sammon and Hammond ,sucking the lifeblood out Sheffield United ,leaving the fans worse than despondent ,couldn't care less. I actually laughed when Billy got the winner ,I was more interested in going to the pub. No manager has done this to me as a long serving fan ,and I do believe this is rubbing off on the players. The whole club is as bad as I can ever remember it. He is poor poor manager ,no man management skills ,tactically awful ,substitutions beyond belief and no idea about Sheffield united and how we operate at all. I am missing the next 3 games as Im away and I don't care a toss ,it really takes something for me to feel this way about Utd. Hope hes gone when I get back.
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Such an unbelievable rose tinted view of Clough's run based pretty much entirely on the cup runs of the season before.

Completely ignoring how utterly shit we were last season and how completely split the fan base was.
 
He is now an established league 1 player. Who'd pay £1m for league one player out of form. . . . Only us maybe.
 



PeteBlade said:
Such an unbelievable rose tinted view of Clough's run based pretty much entirely on the cup runs of the season before.

Completely ignoring how utterly shit we were last season and how completely split the fan base was.
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We were told by everyone after Wilson to be patient with the next manager ,the MAJORITY of fans wanted him to stay and could see progress ,our bottleless joke of a board realised Nigel wasn't going to be a yes man and fucked the club up again by firing him and setting the club back years.
Try forward thinking , completely not based on cup runs the year before or last season either ,you forget that one ? I could see where Clough was going ,foundations were being laid we were 3 or 4 players off a good side. I cant see anything being laid by Adkins except a mound of dogshit. I was optimistic under Clough and was disappointed a lot of times last season but would have been happy going into this one. Now look at us.
 
sitwell said:
We were told by everyone after Wilson to be patient with the next manager ,the MAJORITY of fans wanted him to stay and could see progress ,our bottleless joke of a board realised Nigel wasn't going to be a yes man and fucked the club up again by firing him and setting the club back years.
Try forward thinking , completely not based on cup runs the year before or last season either ,you forget that one ? I could see where Clough was going ,foundations were being laid we were 3 or 4 players off a good side. I cant see anything being laid by Adkins except a mound of dogshit. I was optimistic under Clough and was disappointed a lot of times last season but would have been happy going into this one. Now look at us.
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You've no idea whether the board got rid of him because "he wasn't a yes man" that just seems made up.

Clough lumbered us with this slow, aging, creativity free squad on massive wages yet served up the most dire brand of football I've ever witnessed.

He wasn't the messiah, just a very average boy.
 
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Ha. And if anyone did come in for him, do you think McCabe would tell us how much (or little) he got for him?

pommpey
 
Progress under Clough? Progress from what? David Weir's team? By the end of last season we were worse than we were when Wilson left us - having spent far more money. Sacking Clough isn't what set us back, the squad Clough assembled is what's set us back, coupled with Adkins' poor performance and the board's refusal to back him as much as they should have.
 
sitwell said:
Not a fucking chance ,that would be 1 million quid we would never see again. Why do we want to sell our better players ? Just so we can have a good fucking moan again about us being a selling club ?
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True, but it would be 'not a fucking chance' that anybody would pay £1m for Brayford. He's 'Emperor's New Clothes'. He had a purple patch on loan, when the sun was shining, when we were marching to the semi at Wembley and when some people still thought Clough was a good manager. It was a 'John Harley' scenario when we couldn't believe our luck in having him. Now, that 'fit young bird' has turned into fat old bint, but we gaze longingly to the past. Move on and realise that our future lies in the Hammonds of the dating scene.

I think Brayford's injury has pretty much screwed his form and confidence and I, for one, wouldn't be too upset if he left for the usual 'undisclosed'. But I can't see anybody taking his wages on.

So, Sitwell, Brayford will be going nowhere and your scurrilous accusations of us being 'a selling club' will be proved unfounded.

Now Che, after the season ticket money is in, on the other hand...
 
northsomersetblade said:
Let's not have any Clough retro nostalgia bullshit.

The man was a nutter and he has landed us with half the problems that we currently have. An unfortunate blend of his fathers ego and his mothers football club management ability.
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I take you know what Nigel Adkins Mother and Father are like ? What a ridiculous pathetic comment.
 
grafikhaus said:
True, but it would be 'not a fucking chance' that anybody would pay £1m for Brayford. He's 'Emperor's New Clothes'. He had a purple patch on loan, when the sun was shining, when we were marching to the semi at Wembley and when some people still thought Clough was a good manager. It was a 'John Harley' scenario when we couldn't believe our luck in having him. Now, that 'fit young bird' has turned into fat old bint, but we gaze longingly to the past. Move on and realise that our future lies in the Hammonds of the dating scene.

I think Brayford's injury has pretty much screwed his form and confidence and I, for one, wouldn't be too upset if he left for the usual 'undisclosed'. But I can't see anybody taking his wages on.

So, Sitwell, Brayford will be going nowhere and your scurrilous accusations of us being 'a selling club' will be proved unfounded.

Now Che, after the season ticket money is in, on the other hand...
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Football people with budgets to spend will have looked at Che and seen a lad who has a bit of pace and strength on the ball with an ability to score a few goals in the third tier and against Premm teams a while ago.

They will also see a lad who often has a poor touch, loses concentration during the game, is just starting to learn how to play in partnership with his co-striker and who often plays the wrong ball at the wrong time, passes when he could shoot and vice-versa; his mind is full of coaching advice and he has Sharp trying to help him learn the game, he's often in two minds.

He has certain rare abilities but is way off being a prospect for higher leagues. Added to that every scout will have noted Che's off the field transgressions and his being dropped for training poorly last week.

He's just a young lad who has loads of work to do, on and off the field. Added to all that I don't think his best position is front striker. He made his name arriving late into the box from left midfield and I reckon he needs time to get the ball under control before he makes a run.
 
If Burton go up it seems a natural move for Brayford to rejoin Clough who knows how much we paid for him and to him.

Clough will be anxious about next season and will want familiar players around him again. Burton will not have mountains of cash to spend but we should drive a hard bargain for Brayford because he is Clough's talisman. Having said all that, If we get half the fee we paid then I think we will have done well because we were off our heads at the time and desperate. We will also save his wage which will also be ridiculous but that is where the deal might flounder because Brayford might have to take another pay cut. Burton will be very mindful of the possibility of coming straight back down from the Championship and won't commit to long, expensive player contracts. Clough might have learned that he can't commit such a big slice of his budget on Brayford.
 
I would say no.

Mainly because he shown he can do it in his first spell with us.

Whatever it is hes lacking or needs, then we need to find out.
 
sitwell said:
he brings pace to our side through his vision passing and control, and creates openings
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Cheers Sitters - nearly choked on my coffee when I read that bit. ;) Would it were true.

I managed my first live game on Saturday for a good while and watched Coutts closely hoping to see something in him that I must be missing on BP - I actually do want every player that appears in the red and white to do well. Sidenote - was anyone else pissed off at seeing Crewe in their red shirts at our ground. I felt totally offended by that. God I hate that white kit.

Coutts is moving slightly faster than early season and he is a better passer of the ball than Basham and Hammond (not saying much I know) but it tends to to be tippy tappy stuff that won't work with the calibre of the worst Blades side I have seen for decades. In his favour he does try to get the ball down to play. Trouble is he has a team around him that doesn't know how to. His attempted "killer" passes are rare, overhit or poorly directed. He still has poor stamina, commitment, flexibility and fitness. He's the only bloke I know who seems to walk faster than he runs. Defensively he is abject. Just as well he only marks space at corners eh?

The sad indictment is that no goals and 2 assists from 28 starts does represent an improvement for him (note - Baxter had 7 goals and 5 assists from the same number of starts). If he had creativity, vision and killer passing then I would love to see it. I suspect Baxter wouldn't have got as many games as he did after what he did (several times) and we would have been shut of him well before now.

Sorry, I just cannot see what you see in the man.
 
This cartoon has been so useful and saved me hours of considering and typing responses to some of the threads posted on S24....


They want a million for Brayford!
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I imagine there wouldn't quite be such nostalgia and hype surrounding Nigel Clough had his name been Nigel Smith.

I also doubt that he'd have got the Derby job.
 
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