Wilder OUT

[AWetFlannel]

Difficult to see how we'll win a few on yesterday's evidence. Birmingham were average and we had one chance in the whole game and other than that barely a shot on target.

Birmingham were average, we were average and we drew. If you can't see us picking up a few wins, presumably you can't see Birmingham doing so either; you'll get great odds on us both to go down

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Thread probably about 9 games too early?

 

[Valley Blade]

I would rather watch the kids plays under a positive forward thinking manager that sets us to play just like Sunderland did they didn't have the best squad on paper their squad.was one of the youngest and they played with pace and width and had a go.

If you are talking about Sunderland in the promotion season, then they were crap for months. They limped into the playoffs and were crap in the final. If you are talking about last season, then it was virtually a completely different team, with an enormous financial outlay.

 

[Matlock Blade]

I'm not going to say Wilder out. However I would suggest him maybe managing Leeds United Seniors. He is signing as many past-it Leeds players as he can. Bamford is doing ok. However we are stuck with ex Leeds players who we are paying wages to. Rothwell, rubbish. Shackleton never played well for us and still not fit.
Phillips probably on a large wage, Wilder says he won't be available for a few matches. He only lasted a few matches last season. Why are we wasting money on him when he's hardly going to play?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Thread probably about 9 games too early?

It is far too early. Give it 10 games.

Having said that, people are entitled to have their view on what they are watching, and to say if they don’t like it. That’s got nothing to do with “entitlement” or anything else. My view is that the squad is nowhere near what it should be for a club with our recent history. So much money squandered on shit with seemingly no plan for building a squad, and the blame for that has to go in a few different directions, including Wilder.

But we’ll see what it looks like once the transfer window closes.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

It is far too early. Give it 10 games.

Having said that, people are entitled to have their view on what they are watching, and to say if they don’t like it. That’s got nothing to do with “entitlement” or anything else. My view is that the squad is nowhere near what it should be for a club with our recent history. So much money squandered on shit with seemingly no plan for building a squad, and the blame for that has to go in a few different directions, including Wilder.

But we’ll see what it looks like once the transfer window closes.

Of course everyone has their opinion and these differences make up the fun in posting.

They’re are a few Blades who wanted Wilder out before a ball was kicked. A valid view.

I’m one for giving the manager/player a chance as I did with Selles and Cannon and I’m looking forward to replying to these posters whichever way the season goes.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Birmingham were average, we were average and we drew. If you can't see us picking up a few wins, presumably you can't see Birmingham doing so either; you'll get great odds on us both to go down

Birmingham were marginally the better team and were away from home on the first day of the season when you'd expect the home team to be bang at it.
Flip the scenario around and can you imagine us picking up a point there?

 

[calcalcal]

Birmingham were marginally the better team and were away from home on the first day of the season when you'd expect the home team to be bang at it.
Flip the scenario around and can you imagine us picking up a point there?

Did last season with 10 men

 

[AWetFlannel]

Birmingham were marginally the better team and were away from home on the first day of the season when you'd expect the home team to be bang at it.
Flip the scenario around and can you imagine us picking up a point there?

I can certainly imagine us picking up a point there because we did a few months ago despite being down to 10 men for the majority of the game.

Bristol City, Norwich, Pompey and Stoke all got beat at home yesterday, I imagine none of their fans are as negative as this thread.

 

[ben1987]

I’m absolutely convinced that Wilder isn’t the right man to take us forward in the long term and he’s nowhere near the same manager he was a decade ago. No way Wilder MK1 puts up with Cannon but Wilder MK3 seems intent on stubbornly proving all of us PlayStation managers wrong.

HOWEVER

It’s the second summer in a row where the season kicks off and the squad is nowhere near complete. All this bollocks about knowing what we need and getting it done early hasn’t materialised and while I think Wilder probably has a very short shortlist of targets it’s not going to be all his fault that the club conduct their business at absolutely glacial pace. There’s no way the 11 that kicked off yesterday is the 11 Wilder envisioned us starting the season with.

I knew exactly how the game would go as soon as I saw the team sheet. May as well play with 10 men when Cannon is in the side and as much as I like O’Hare he is ineffective when played out on the left.

I thought Cooper looked back to his best, McGuiness was our outfield MOTM and Tanganga had a half decent game and it went wrong from there.

Seriki and McCallums distribution was both awful. They constantly either whacked the ball over our strikers head on to their humongous defenders who looked like the Ents from LOTR. If they weren’t doing that they curled it blind down the touch line to nobody.

Peck and Rothwell / Arblaster got bypassed a lot of the time by the defenders poor distribution and the strikers total lack of ability to hold the ball up. They had a couple of moments where we did attempt to play football but weee largely ineffective.

Bamford and Cannon had next to no proper service but didn’t stretch the back line and were very ineffective at holding up any scraps that went their way. Cannon seemed to do his best to move his body out the way of actually competing for the ball and half heartedly then tried to block and clearances after initially being favourite to the ball.

Ohare and Donnovan had no one to link up with. They tried to busy themselves but they were always a mile away from AWOL teammates and nothing really came off.

Our throwins and set pieces were wank. Just lob it anywhere and hope for the best.

On the odd few occasions we did get the ball down and play actual football we looked capable of winning them game. Just unfortunately that was about 10% of the game time.

It was a mixture of classic wilderball and not having the right players at the club.

It’ll be a long slog of a season if nothing drastically changes before the end of the window but we can’t really be calling for a mangers head until we’ve seen what we look like with the final squad together.

And with the amount of money Brum have spent over the last few years I thought they were shite as well. They were better than us when we were aimlessly lumping it forward but when we tried to play football we were better than them somehow.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Did last season with 10 men

You really believe that side yesterday is as strong as last season?

 

[wadblade]

I thought Tanganga was v good and McGuiness did everything you would ask of him, and i will say again i fail to see what Soutor offers that is worth more that £3m tops - move on
I was impressed with Donovan
I think Wilder got the basics right and we will be hard to beat and he will build from this
Re new additions for Gus, Chair at QPR or Marriott at Reading or possibly the Barnsley winger
Re Cannon needs to move on for his sake suggest the Campbell at Charlton

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Birmingham had 11 players we had 10 + Cannon - so 0-0 wasn't too bad. I dont want Wilder out but I do want Cannon out- at what stage is the acceptance that he is detremental to us? That performance was a 0-10.

Couldn't agree more. Only slight pushback, is Wilder chose him over One and Campbell - so I guess it kind of is his fault.

Was amazed when i looked at the ratings on the forum and his average was 3.57. Who the hell thinks he was worth a 4 or above?!?!?!

 

[Tom Bott]

But, but Selles 6 weeks here has caused Chris big problems.

No, it was James Bord (engaged by the owners) that caused the club big problems.
Hoevering up all those star players (and manager).

Most of those 'stars' are still here on long contracts, that we are struggling to give away.

Did Birmingham's £15/20 million pound striker Jay Stansfield set the Lane alight yesterday?

 

[luffenhamblade]

No, it was James Bord (engaged by the owners) that caused the club big problems.
Hoevering up all those star players (and manager).

Most of those 'stars' are still here on long contracts, that we are struggling to give away.

Did Birmingham's £15/20 million pound striker Jay Stansfield set the Lane alight yesterday?

Agree though to be fair, Selles didn’t exactly help!

 

[ATL Recs]

I can certainly imagine us picking up a point there because we did a few months ago despite being down to 10 men for the majority of the game.

Bristol City, Norwich, Pompey and Stoke all got beat at home yesterday, I imagine none of their fans are as negative as this thread.

Norwich fans are fuming and giving Brooks and the referee some reight stick

 

[VictoryBlade]

Norwich fans are fuming and giving Brooks and the referee some reight stick

All those angry flat faces! lol

 

[Houston_Blade]

Couldn't agree more. Only slight pushback, is Wilder chose him over One and Campbell - so I guess it kind of is his fault.

Was amazed when i looked at the ratings on the forum and his average was 3.57. Who the hell thinks he was worth a 4 or above?!?!?!

I gave him a 1.5, 1 for getting his boots on the right feet and 0.5 for tying them.

 

[HIBGIA]

Wilder is what will be required over the next year or two (lack of investment in playing staff, make the team hard to beat, try and get to 50 pts per season asap), beyond that is anyone's guess at the minute?

 

[steve26272]

, but no manager can make average players into quality ones.

Maybe he’s a victim of his own success?

look at his first spell, that squad was worse on paper than this, and definitely last seasons, yet he took them to 9th in prem

Clement at Norwich last season, cooper at Forest, Lampard at Cov

Wilder mk1 and those, All examples of what a good coach can do

Wilder mk3 is past it, bless him for mk1 and the best years for years

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I gave him a 1.5, 1 for getting his boots on the right feet and 0.5 for tying them.

All that American positivity has worn off on you!!

 

[Ray]

Completely irrelevant. If you’ve not got the tools to succeed then it’s irrelevant what you earn

He signed a new contract knowing he wouldn't have the tools ? He must have assured the owners he could get results on a small budget. Cant really lose can he as he can just say he wasn't backed and walk off with another payoff

 

[Paulus]

I thought it was only PorkTalk where delusional idiots held sway. Football in England is always about money in the boardroom, at the moment we aren’t in the top 25, maybe not top 30. The only reason we’ve been punching is because of what Wilder achieved and the money that came from that and the culture he has put in the club. There seem a lot of people on this forum who don’t seem to understand that Sheffield United has always been about graft.

 

[Camden Blade]

Maybe he’s a victim of his own success?

look at his first spell, that squad was worse on paper than this, and definitely last seasons, yet he took them to 9th in prem

Clement at Norwich last season, cooper at Forest, Lampard at Cov

Wilder mk1 and those, All examples of what a good coach can do

Wilder mk3 is past it, bless him for mk1 and the best years for years

That squad had spirit. Even that player who scored on the 2 1 victory over Oxford. What was his name? Jake Wright, James Wilson, John joe o'brien? or something? Whatever happened to those lads? Egan, Bash. Wilder players. Football has changed though. Spirit, grit only gets you so far. More athletes now.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

We're an average Championship team.

We'll win a few, draw a few and lose a few.

Not sure what some people were expecting yesterday.

A shot on target before the 70th min, not too much to ask of a Professional Football team at Home.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Thread probably about 9 games too early?

Surely its 5 same as Selles.

 

[KMC-1889]

Was yesterday really the tipping point to suggest the bloke should lose his job?

I’m now wilders biggest fan but even I’m happy to admit it’s ridiculous to leap to that conclusion after two games.

However it is a timely reminder of how quickly the fans turned on Selles, and it’ll be interesting to see how far the bar has been lowered before more grow tired of Wilder.

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

Agree though to be fair, Selles didn’t exactly help!

I think my lamps are going. Every time I see the name James Bord I think it says James Bond.

 

[Fruitbat]

No idea how Wilder gets the blame and the owners don’t. Do you think wilder wanted to sell Brooks & Hamer and not have any money or preparation to replace?

This time last season we still had our ‘stars’ and got battered. I’d take today over that any day

I don’t think that the owners are blameless. But Wilder is the coach. He’s supposed to make a group of players, greater than the sum of their parts, by training them in structure and process, as well as making the better individually. He’s also supposed to be able to think on his feet and manage in game, and in season issues, like different teams’ approaches, injuries, game burden etc. if it was just down to signing loads of brilliant players, ANY of us could coach! Of course Hamer and Brooks will be missed, but he’d have to manage it if they had long term injuries.
What I saw in this game, and in plenty of games last season with Hamer and Brooks, is an absence of structure, strategy, style, guile, creativity, speed of thought, fitness… all things that a coach is there to address.
I simply don’t think that Wilder is a good enough coach for the Championship these days.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Surely it’s 5 same as Selles.

Perhaps, if he loses them all…