Wilder OUT - megathread

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Whilst it is only one game, some fans see us a predictable and uninspiring and have done for a while. For me, it’s more a case of continuation of that than a knee jerk reaction to one poor performance.

I think opening games rarely live up to the expectation, so I’m not too downbeat or surprised about it. It is a clean sheet and identifies where we need to strengthen and improve, so hopefully we’ll do that in the next two weeks.

As I’ve said on other threads, I thought the end of last season was an ideal time to replace Wilder and head in a new direction, and so far nothing has changed that view.

The type of signings and again being slow in the transfer market is an all too familiar pattern. Wilder even acknowledged this last point a few months ago, and yet here we are again.

I’m not convinced much will change in our style of play from last season either but I’ll wait and see what the team looks like at the end of the window and how we perform in following few games before being too critical of performances.

He should have never been given the opportunity to come back in the first place after costing us automatic promotion the season before. He’s spent as a manager. It’s a shame the owners got his replacement so wrong with Selles as their intention of replacing this old dinosaur with a progressive young manager and modernising the club was completely the right call.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

I don’t think I’ve been as bored at a match than watching that turgid shit today. There’s oil tankers presently in the Straights of Hormuz that have moved quicker recently than Peck and Rothwell. Have we ever had midfielders as slow as those two? We’re crying out for a change of direction, it’s painful. If a non United fan asked me what our style of play was I honestly couldn’t tell them. No wonder Brookes wanted to piss off. He saw the writing on the wall alright. Overreaction after one game? I don’t think so. My god, this is going to be one hard, boring, tedious season.

Style of play yesterday was "Av it"
I agree don't think I have ever been so board at a match as yesterday infact i was about too doze off until someone woke me up wanting to get past to their seat.

We didn't create much last season and now we have lost Brooks and Hamer's contribution in that department it was only going too get worse, but I'm sure when Wilder gets his two Centre half's in the chances will flow.
I have seen alot on here saying that was a middle table display, some even lower half display. Unfortunately if you don't score goals you get relegated and to score goals you need to create chances. We created naff all yesterday Bamford and Cannon were feeding off long hoofs up field neither of them are that kind of Forward. The one bright spark was Oné who when he came on was prepared to run at them instead of looking to pass it backwards, sideways or just kicking it aimlessly Forward.
Unfortunately he's now injured which is probably a blessing in disguise for our tactical genius of a manager who now won't have to make the decision to keep him on the bench for the next game.

 

[CrookesBlade]

My mother in law always wanted a champagne lifestyle on what has always been a beer income. She had expectations above her BT working husband’s salary.

Some on here want the same! We cannot afford champagne, but on the whole I thought what was offered instead was better than expected. There were obvious issues, but not conceding was a massive bonus.

Lack of quality was obvious, but brum were no better.

I think there are about 14 teams who will not be in contention for the top 2, or the bottom 5, but could end up anywhere between 6th and 19th. We are one of those 14, and where we end up is anyone’s guess, and at this time that is all it is a guess.

Good analogy.

We will have rounds of endless wallowing on here about how the Premier League millions were wasted but it would be nice at some point if people could start living in the here and now.

I expected knees to be jerking for anything other than a comfortable win (especially with the late kick off extra pub time yesterday) but even then I’m a bit surprised with the vitriol. I keep seeing people who suggest there were some positives to take from yesterday being shouted down with “you think that’s a great performance?” or “are you happy watching that all season?”

No obviously not, but I’ve been around long enough to know that opening day doesn’t define a 46 game season. It’s also a fairly sure bet we’ll have some more signings in come deadline day.

I really don’t like this approach of waiting til the last moment in the window to sign players and more or less writing off August but it is what it is.

I’m most fields of employment if you are hamstrung by a lack of resources from your employer they are usually the one to cop the blame. A few want to have their cake and eat it by labelling the owners as skint and clueless but expecting Wilder to carry the can for the whole thing.

In terms of yesterday it didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know. More creativity desperately needed. I’d also like to see the Cannon project canned for good and another centre forward bringing in.

Good to see Cooper back at it and the much malaigned Tanganga had a great game. Nice to see we are less of a pushover defensively now.

Also was quite nice to be back at the lane on a Saturday, having a few pints before and taking up my new season ticket seats with my daughter. Atmosphere wasn’t bad but was always going to be a ln uphill battle with the fayre served up on the pitch.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Birmingham had 11 players we had 10 + Cannon - so 0-0 wasn't too bad. I dont want Wilder out but I do want Cannon out- at what stage is the acceptance that he is detremental to us? That performance was a 0-10.

 

[Champagneblade]

Irrational hatred? I don’t hate Wilder, I’m happy for what he’s achieved at this club and the memories he’s given us as a fanbase. However, I don’t think he should’ve been given his third (THIRD) chance at our great club following the Sunderland game. He’s proven his ineffectiveness as a modern day manager and I feel fans like you still think he’s the manager of 2016, when he’s not. The game has passed him by. Hes on a downward curve and has been for a while. These are all completely rational reasons why I want him out. He’s incapable now and he’s being kept on because of his blade status. It’s sad.

The owners won’t sack him but it doesn’t stop fans being entitled to call for his sacking. That’s how football works. This is our club.

Was yesterday really the tipping point to suggest the bloke should lose his job?

10 games in and we’re on 3 points then you can understand the unrest.

But a point yesterday, when we know he’s had to deal with losing the two most creative players shouldn’t be perceived as some final straw.

If ‘you’re’ not a fan (that’s directed at anyone, not you specifically to be clear) then by all means when the window closes and the team hasn’t picked up any meaningful results in the first dozen games then start your campaign for change.

But come on. 2 clean sheets, safe passage in the league cup and 2 weeks to upgrade the squad when finances (not the manager) dictate the attack will be strengthened by loans only at that we will need to act late to secure the optimal options.

The job he has now is far more difficult when he was first here. He’s managing shrinking resources rather than increasing ones. Talk of managerial change is total nonsense after one league game and two without defeat of conceding.

 

[Sky Blues]

Wilder had his best players sold and not replaced. Is that the fault of Wilder?

The biggest problems started when he was replaced with an inept manager. Seems like the majority want to do it again.

 

[blade too long]

Bullshit. Does that give him the excuse to put in a performance like that? No. He’s the manager, he’s paid handsomely to use the tools he got. Show your worth. He’s not. Hence why he’s out for me. Sooner the better.

But teams are using electric hedgetrimmers to keep their hedges neat wilders been given some toe nail clippers

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

We're an average Championship team.

We'll win a few, draw a few and lose a few.

Not sure what some people were expecting yesterday.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

We're an average Championship team.

We'll win a few, draw a few and lose a few.

Not sure what some people were expecting yesterday.

Difficult to see how we'll win a few on yesterday's evidence. Birmingham were average and we had one chance in the whole game and other than that barely a shot on target.
Donovan for Brooks looks a massive downgrade and our only dynamic player was the right back in flashes in the first half.
Lose the two games in Wales and Bolton already looks a massive game for Wilder.
Selling our two best attacking players without replacements is having a very predictable outcome for all the fixation on acquiring a centre half. McGuinness was one of the best players yesterday despite Wilder bad mouthing him and having Souttar or Anel in the team instead would make little difference to the dog's dinner further up the pitch.
In fact, Anel is a weaker player than McGuinness and would need someone like Souttar alongside side him for protection and we aren't getting both of them.
All in all we've created a huge mess despite knowing for months what the financial situation was and doing nothing in terms of smart recruitment.

 

[Shawy24]

But teams are using electric hedgetrimmers to keep their hedges neat wilders been given some toe nail clippers

He’s been given what he wanted. Last season he got Rothwell and Phillips though God knows why. He asked for and got Bamford and Jairo which possibly saved us from relegation. We still have them. Season before he asked for Cannon and he still has him. If rumours are true they were willing to get him Souttar.

The electric hedge clipper that was Brooks has been shifted out to be sacrificed for the toe nail clipper that is Phillips.

From what used to be an exciting team he’s changed us into a one dimensional borefest.

 

[Shawy24]

We're an average Championship team.

We'll win a few, draw a few and lose a few.

Not sure what some people were expecting yesterday.

Competence would be a start.

 

[Nedski]

Does this help?

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[metalblade]

Wilder has made a rod for his own back with his speech at the end of last season when he told us fans he knew what was required and assured us all there would be wholesale changes. We knew there would have to be sales but here we are yet again with big holes in the squad going into the tail end of the transfer window. He is still persisting with the same old lame tactics, formations and players who should be nowhere near a starting eleven. It is not a knee-jerk reaction to one game it is continuation of last seasons failures, it's high time some fans faced up to the reality that Wilder is not the same guy from ten years ago. It seems like a managed decline he has to go at some point the longer he is in charge the more damage he does.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Was yesterday really the tipping point to suggest the bloke should lose his job?

10 games in and we’re on 3 points then you can understand the unrest.

But a point yesterday, when we know he’s had to deal with losing the two most creative players shouldn’t be perceived as some final straw.

If ‘you’re’ not a fan (that’s directed at anyone, not you specifically to be clear) then by all means when the window closes and the team hasn’t picked up any meaningful results in the first dozen games then start your campaign for change.

But come on. 2 clean sheets, safe passage in the league cup and 2 weeks to upgrade the squad when finances (not the manager) dictate the attack will be strengthened by loans only at that we will need to act late to secure the optimal options.

The job he has now is far more difficult when he was first here. He’s managing shrinking resources rather than increasing ones. Talk of managerial change is total nonsense after one league game and two without defeat of conceding.

No. Yesterday wasn’t the tipping point. Wilder’s reappointment for the THIRD time despite many who can see he’s not the manager we need and is there because he’s a blade, second half of last season, this Summer’s dealings (not all Wilder’s fault) and yesterday’s abject performance were.

I have enough reason to want him out. I was against his reappointment and I wanted him out all of last season because I love this club and he is not the manager to take us forward and develop.

 

[JustLookin]

Wilder had his best players sold and not replaced. Is that the fault of Wilder?

The biggest problems started when he was replaced with an inept manager. Seems like the majority want to do it again.

Nope. There’s a lot of us want us to see an inept manager replaced with a competent one.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Wilder had his best players sold and not replaced. Is that the fault of Wilder?

The biggest problems started when he was replaced with an inept manager. Seems like the majority want to do it again.

I don’t think anyone wants him replaced with an inept manager.

For me he’s the best person for the job with the idiots in charge that we have. There are loads of managers better than Wilder, but the chance of COH employing one is virtually nil.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I don’t think anyone wants him replaced with an inept manager.

For me he’s the best person for the job with the idiots in charge that we have. There are loads of managers better than Wilder, but the chance of COH employing one is virtually nil.

To add to this, I don't think managers are simply "good" or "bad". Some managers are good in certain situations at certain clubs and bad in others, like Kompany getting Burnley relegated and going on to successfully manage Bayern.

I'd have loved us to have appointed Hellberg with hindsight, but without it there was a chance he'd have completely flopped or not done as well here as he has at Middlesbrough. Cifuentes looked great at QPR but was awful at Leicester. Rohl looked good at the grunters but failed miserably at Rangers.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Difficult to see how we'll win a few on yesterday's evidence. Birmingham were average and we had one chance in the whole game and other than that barely a shot on target.

Birmingham were average, we were average and we drew. If you can't see us picking up a few wins, presumably you can't see Birmingham doing so either; you'll get great odds on us both to go down

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Thread probably about 9 games too early?

 

[Valley Blade]

I would rather watch the kids plays under a positive forward thinking manager that sets us to play just like Sunderland did they didn't have the best squad on paper their squad.was one of the youngest and they played with pace and width and had a go.

If you are talking about Sunderland in the promotion season, then they were crap for months. They limped into the playoffs and were crap in the final. If you are talking about last season, then it was virtually a completely different team, with an enormous financial outlay.

 

[Matlock Blade]

I'm not going to say Wilder out. However I would suggest him maybe managing Leeds United Seniors. He is signing as many past-it Leeds players as he can. Bamford is doing ok. However we are stuck with ex Leeds players who we are paying wages to. Rothwell, rubbish. Shackleton never played well for us and still not fit.
Phillips probably on a large wage, Wilder says he won't be available for a few matches. He only lasted a few matches last season. Why are we wasting money on him when he's hardly going to play?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Thread probably about 9 games too early?

It is far too early. Give it 10 games.

Having said that, people are entitled to have their view on what they are watching, and to say if they don’t like it. That’s got nothing to do with “entitlement” or anything else. My view is that the squad is nowhere near what it should be for a club with our recent history. So much money squandered on shit with seemingly no plan for building a squad, and the blame for that has to go in a few different directions, including Wilder.

But we’ll see what it looks like once the transfer window closes.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

It is far too early. Give it 10 games.

Having said that, people are entitled to have their view on what they are watching, and to say if they don’t like it. That’s got nothing to do with “entitlement” or anything else. My view is that the squad is nowhere near what it should be for a club with our recent history. So much money squandered on shit with seemingly no plan for building a squad, and the blame for that has to go in a few different directions, including Wilder.

But we’ll see what it looks like once the transfer window closes.

Of course everyone has their opinion and these differences make up the fun in posting.

They’re are a few Blades who wanted Wilder out before a ball was kicked. A valid view.

I’m one for giving the manager/player a chance as I did with Selles and Cannon and I’m looking forward to replying to these posters whichever way the season goes.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Birmingham were average, we were average and we drew. If you can't see us picking up a few wins, presumably you can't see Birmingham doing so either; you'll get great odds on us both to go down

Birmingham were marginally the better team and were away from home on the first day of the season when you'd expect the home team to be bang at it.
Flip the scenario around and can you imagine us picking up a point there?

 

[calcalcal]

Birmingham were marginally the better team and were away from home on the first day of the season when you'd expect the home team to be bang at it.
Flip the scenario around and can you imagine us picking up a point there?

Did last season with 10 men

 

[AWetFlannel]

Birmingham were marginally the better team and were away from home on the first day of the season when you'd expect the home team to be bang at it.
Flip the scenario around and can you imagine us picking up a point there?

I can certainly imagine us picking up a point there because we did a few months ago despite being down to 10 men for the majority of the game.

Bristol City, Norwich, Pompey and Stoke all got beat at home yesterday, I imagine none of their fans are as negative as this thread.

 

[ben1987]

I’m absolutely convinced that Wilder isn’t the right man to take us forward in the long term and he’s nowhere near the same manager he was a decade ago. No way Wilder MK1 puts up with Cannon but Wilder MK3 seems intent on stubbornly proving all of us PlayStation managers wrong.

HOWEVER

It’s the second summer in a row where the season kicks off and the squad is nowhere near complete. All this bollocks about knowing what we need and getting it done early hasn’t materialised and while I think Wilder probably has a very short shortlist of targets it’s not going to be all his fault that the club conduct their business at absolutely glacial pace. There’s no way the 11 that kicked off yesterday is the 11 Wilder envisioned us starting the season with.

I knew exactly how the game would go as soon as I saw the team sheet. May as well play with 10 men when Cannon is in the side and as much as I like O’Hare he is ineffective when played out on the left.

I thought Cooper looked back to his best, McGuiness was our outfield MOTM and Tanganga had a half decent game and it went wrong from there.

Seriki and McCallums distribution was both awful. They constantly either whacked the ball over our strikers head on to their humongous defenders who looked like the Ents from LOTR. If they weren’t doing that they curled it blind down the touch line to nobody.

Peck and Rothwell / Arblaster got bypassed a lot of the time by the defenders poor distribution and the strikers total lack of ability to hold the ball up. They had a couple of moments where we did attempt to play football but weee largely ineffective.

Bamford and Cannon had next to no proper service but didn’t stretch the back line and were very ineffective at holding up any scraps that went their way. Cannon seemed to do his best to move his body out the way of actually competing for the ball and half heartedly then tried to block and clearances after initially being favourite to the ball.

Ohare and Donnovan had no one to link up with. They tried to busy themselves but they were always a mile away from AWOL teammates and nothing really came off.

Our throwins and set pieces were wank. Just lob it anywhere and hope for the best.

On the odd few occasions we did get the ball down and play actual football we looked capable of winning them game. Just unfortunately that was about 10% of the game time.

It was a mixture of classic wilderball and not having the right players at the club.

It’ll be a long slog of a season if nothing drastically changes before the end of the window but we can’t really be calling for a mangers head until we’ve seen what we look like with the final squad together.

And with the amount of money Brum have spent over the last few years I thought they were shite as well. They were better than us when we were aimlessly lumping it forward but when we tried to play football we were better than them somehow.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Did last season with 10 men

You really believe that side yesterday is as strong as last season?

 

[wadblade]

I thought Tanganga was v good and McGuiness did everything you would ask of him, and i will say again i fail to see what Soutor offers that is worth more that £3m tops - move on
I was impressed with Donovan
I think Wilder got the basics right and we will be hard to beat and he will build from this
Re new additions for Gus, Chair at QPR or Marriott at Reading or possibly the Barnsley winger
Re Cannon needs to move on for his sake suggest the Campbell at Charlton

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Birmingham had 11 players we had 10 + Cannon - so 0-0 wasn't too bad. I dont want Wilder out but I do want Cannon out- at what stage is the acceptance that he is detremental to us? That performance was a 0-10.

Couldn't agree more. Only slight pushback, is Wilder chose him over One and Campbell - so I guess it kind of is his fault.

Was amazed when i looked at the ratings on the forum and his average was 3.57. Who the hell thinks he was worth a 4 or above?!?!?!