Wilder OUT - megathread

[pollster]

SHEFFIELD UNITED HAVE SACKED CHRIS WILDER AFTER DRAWING AT HOME TO BIRMINGHAM

In a statement the owners have said “we have given Chris no money to sign any players & we’ve sold our two most creative players, however, we expect to win every game regardless”

And yet we are not interested in selling Cannon for £7 million as he is the future (******* GRIM some of us would say)
Signed 3 more 30+ year olds on big wages
Have bid for an Argentine defender
and bid £8 million plus for Soutarr to play out of position at left centre back not right.
Selective memory syndrome?
Or professional activist?
I could point out the obvious yet again
That Hamer and Brooks were two of the best attacking players in the division
SHOULD have got us to the playoffs last season
but were BOTH PLAYED OUT OF POSITION
reducing their efficacy, TRANSFER VALUE and the team outcomes hence our mediocrity.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

come back to this thread at christmas were the results will speak for themselves this teams practically the 92 point season team once it gets clinical i would argue its stronger once we get wingers who wanna take players on

Sorry, you think this current team is better than the one that had Ahmedhodzic, Souttar, Hamer, Souza, Brereton Diaz, Rak-Sakyi, Brooks, Choudhury and Moore?

Have you been drinking methanol?

 

[Maidenhead]

My position is that I didn't want Wilder back second time, and definitely didn't want him back for a third spell.

However we are where we are, and now is not the time to be changing managers.

Unless we are in relegation trouble at any stage of the season we should stick with Wilder until at least next March/April time when hopefully we be planning for season 27/28.

At that time we should be looking at both the management structure and the playing structure for the following season based on where we are.

I think stability is often underrated and we have made the decisions for this season so as I said we are where we are.

I wouldn't have appointed Wilder but with his past record to sack him after a few games would be ridiculous.

 

[sitwell]

You mean when our season was already over?

It's the outlier, you know it, but for some reason chose to take the 5% for some reason.

And there it is alongside the other perpetual negative miseries.

 

[sportsmanblade]

Sorry, you think this current team is better than the one that had Ahmedhodzic, Souttar, Hamer, Souza, Brereton Diaz, Rak-Sakyi, Brooks, Choudhury and Moore?

Have you been drinking methanol?

it will be by the end of the window
keep the faith UTB

 

[pollster]

No idea how Wilder gets the blame and the owners don’t. Do you think wilder wanted to sell Brooks & Hamer and not have any money or preparation to replace?

This time last season we still had our ‘stars’ and got battered. I’d take today over that any day

More selective memory
Last season we sold Souza at the start of the window
Star defender Anel days before the game
and for me a top striker as well Moore
We literally sold the team spine
CB CM CF
We literally sold the teams HEIGHT
Anel 6' 4"
Souza 6' 2"
Moore 6' 5"

We had literally one fit CM player Peck
Although I would have kept Blacker until we signed more
(Wilder has signed 3 at 30+ yo)

WE DID NOT HAVE A BALANCED TEAM let alone a team of stars.

 

[pollster]

1pt more than last season, let's wait until the Transfer Window closes and see where we are then with the squad and make additions in the JTW.

We beat Birmingham 3-0 at home last season

 

[sportsmanblade]

never seen such a bunch of wet wipes its football you've got to take the sweets with sours 1 game in and crying you not watch any other the other games this weekend
ITS THE CHAMPIONSHIP since when is our fanbase become so entitled

 

[sportsmanblade]

We beat Birmingham 3-0 at home last season

is that birmingham team same as last season you could argue we had 2 chances to have all 3 if it wasn't for decent stops from there keeper i dont think cooper had anything to do apart from routine catches early days we will become more potent bamford is guarenteed goals at this level

 

[luffenhamblade]

But it wasn't, we were fucked and sat on edge of our box regularly. That's not conditioning.

So we are now slagging off 1-0 wins. Given our history and where we are now, I find that weird. I'd take the results and yws, performances from that season until towards the end of the season (yep, I know the arguments, but I think it is hugely more preferable than much of our recent history and where we are now. I know some think we deserve the moon and the stars), but there is a word called realism - maybe look it up?

 

[Tarqs]

And there it is alongside the other perpetual negative miseries.

But it's factual right?

 

[Tarqs]

So we are now slagging off 1-0 wins. Given our history and where we are now, I find that weird. I'd take the results and yws, performances from that season until towards the end of the season (yep, I know the arguments, but I think it is hugely more preferable than much of our recent history and where we are now. I know some think we deserve the moon and the stars), but there is a word called realism - maybe look it up?

Who was slagging off the wins?

I was saying we haven't been a fit side for a long time.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

never seen such a bunch of wet wipes its football you've got to take the sweets with sours 1 game in and crying you not watch any other the other games this weekend
ITS THE CHAMPIONSHIP since when is our fanbase become so entitled

I was happy with the result on Saturday.

Birmingham are a better team than us, they finished above us last season and they'll finish above us this season.

To come away with a point and a clean sheet was quite pleasing.

Especially after the debacle against Bristol City on opening day last season.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

And yet we are not interested in selling Cannon for £7 million as he is the future (******* GRIM some of us would say)
Signed 3 more 30+ year olds on big wages
Have bid for an Argentine defender
and bid £8 million plus for Soutarr to play out of position at left centre back not right.
Selective memory syndrome?
Or professional activist?
I could point out the obvious yet again
That Hamer and Brooks were two of the best attacking players in the division
SHOULD have got us to the playoffs last season
but were BOTH PLAYED OUT OF POSITION
reducing their efficacy, TRANSFER VALUE and the team outcomes hence our mediocrity.

Genuinely don’t think most of that is anywhere near correct.

Danny Hall had said we’ve bid £4m-£5m for Souttar

I’m not sure why you have an issue with us offering for an Argentinian centre half, seems quite an irrelevant point

Phillips is on pay as you play, Rothwell & Bamford nobody knows what they earn, you’re speculating

United paid £10m for Cannon 2 years ago, if we got an offer of £7m he’d go, 1000%

I think you have selective reading syndrome if I’ve got selective memory syndrome

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

Because that money presented an opportunity to modernise the club and set us up for the next 15 years, and it’s been squandered on vanity projects.

It got us to 9th in the Premier League and a good few years of parachute payments, what vanity projects have there been?

 

[derfblade.3]

Seems to be a lot of talk regarding our 3-0 win v Brum last season. A lot more direct than Saturday and miles quicker although Brum were reduced to 10 men for a good portion of the match. P.S , Gus looked to be on fire.

 

[sportsmanblade]

I was happy with the result on Saturday.

Birmingham are a better team than us, they finished above us last season and they'll finish above us this season.

To come away with a point and a clean sheet was quite pleasing.

Especially after the debacle against Bristol City on opening day last season.

how was they better than us in that game? thought we had the better chances they had more of the ball was a game of two halves cant expect to much from first game of season other than a clean sheet more importantly

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

how was they better than us in that game?

I don't think they were.

It was a pretty drab game of football.

They're not fully up to speed yet and neither are we, thus the spoils were shared.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Double post.

 

[ComedyClub]

Wilder out after 1 game lol wow some of our fanbase are shameful. there isnt anyone out there who can get the best out of our team in this division come back to this thread at christmas were the results will speak for themselves this teams practically the 92 point season team once it gets clinical i would argue its stronger once we get wingers who wanna take players on

i do believe the slight adjustment i would make is to switch the wingers more and have the full backs underlap so it creates spaces for the cross and adds a player into the front post

Don't take drugs kids!

 

[Zeblades34]

In regards to fitness I think there's a few things at play here:

1. Natural athletes. We have very few athletic players. All the top teams have strong, quick players littered throughout the squad. Seriki is the only natural athletes that comes to mind - I expect we have the slowest squad overall. Wilder has a preference for scrawny kids who lack pace - Peck, Burrows, Cannon, O'Hare, Bamford.
2. Lack of discipline. When you have a key player in Peck being arrested for drink driving shortly before the season starts, you have a problem. Elite athletes don't touch alcohol, but when your manager is well known for being a regular down the local pub, and talking about his 15 gins at awards ceremonies, you're going to have a problem.
3. Tactics. Or the lack of. We sit deep, we spend a lot of time hitting it to the channels, and basically giving the opposition the ball. We then spend large portions of the game chasing the ball due to lack of shape which is obviously going to tire them out. I imagine we do a lot more running per game than other teams and this isn't because we're super fit it's because we're constantly chasing the ball after giving it back to the opposition.

I agree with points 1 and 3 and absolutely not condoning peck drink driving and he probably regrets it. But what does wilder having a few beers have to do with anything? Elite athletes do sometimes indulge from time to time whether it's alcohol or in haalands case a kebab pizza (10/10 choice from him tbf) especially if it is off season

 

[Blades1971]

We knew this needed major overhaul since the finish of last season. So we sell Brookes and Hamer for a combined fee of £14 million. Not massive but surely enough is bring a couple of half decent players in. Am I wrong?

 

[nopigfansintown]

All fair points, playing devil's advocate, the amount of 1-0's we held on to in the 24-25 season, you could say, was due to conditioning to see a game out?

The fitness issues that season were down to us not getting enough players in during the summer window (the ones we did were largely successful) due to the takeover. We lacked basic depth.

This resulted in us running our small squad into the ground by November/December/January which ultimately cost us automatic promotion. The above wasn't helped by key injuries to Arblaster, Souttar, Moore and Souza. Souza came back from injury eventually but he was never the same. We made January signings (mainly loans) but none of them had been playing regularly with the exception of Cannon who has obviously been a dud so far for us. Pot bellied BBD in particular looked a mile away from his previous incarnation when he would've been on most people's wish list

This season we haven't got enough players in, and the ones we have got in haven't arrived early enough (Doherty, Donovan aside). Same sh it, different season. United are repeating the same issues we've had for 5-6 seasons.

 

[Blade56]

1pt better than this time last season.

Circus arrives early this year

5 points above Southampton already, there’s room for optimism

 

[KMC-1889]

It got us to 9th in the Premier League and a good few years of parachute payments,

and? Did we get a trophy? Where did the money go? Are we closer to finishing in the premier league or league one now?

 

[luffenhamblade]

Who was slagging off the wins?

I was saying we haven't been a fit side for a long time.

Didn’t sound like it but if you say so, thanks for clarifying.

 

[KMC-1889]

I agree with points 1 and 3 and absolutely not condoning peck drink driving and he probably regrets it. But what does wilder having a few beers have to do with anything? Elite athletes do sometimes indulge from time to time whether it's alcohol or in haalands case a kebab pizza (10/10 choice from him tbf) especially if it is off season

Athlete athletes don’t drink. They’re usually tee total.

We prioritise being one of the lads and fitting in with the clique over athleticism.

 

[Booker4]

I despair at the views of some on here. As others have said, we've just sold our most creative players which Wilder wouldn't want to do, especially given he won't get the same quality of player in return. When the window shuts we can then evaluate where we're at and even then any manager has to work within the restrictions of the club he manages.

Last season how many times did fans say we were set to be relegated only for us to finish some 13 points of the highest placed relegated team. The signings of Bamford and Riedewald on frees were masterstrokes.

Wilder is now having to rebuild a squad capable of promotion with a reduced budget and having lost his most creative players. It's no easy task. Look at how Leicester got relegated for how it can go horribly wrong with poor management decisions. Look at us too with Selles!

 

[Kona]

My position is that I didn't want Wilder back second time, and definitely didn't want him back for a third spell.

However we are where we are, and now is not the time to be changing managers.

Unless we are in relegation trouble at any stage of the season we should stick with Wilder until at least next March/April time when hopefully we be planning for season 27/28.

At that time we should be looking at both the management structure and the playing structure for the following season based on where we are.

I think stability is often underrated and we have made the decisions for this season so as I said we are where we are.

I wouldn't have appointed Wilder but with his past record to sack him after a few games would be ridiculous.

I agree with much of this, although I’d be inclined to make a change earlier if we don’t look like we’re making progress or playing well.

That way a new manager will have some time to work with the players before making a decision whether they fit in with future plans… and ideally bring in new recruits early in the window!

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

and? Did we get a trophy?

This guy man