Wilder OUT - megathread

[UTB Blade]

No idea how Wilder gets the blame and the owners don’t. Do you think wilder wanted to sell Brooks & Hamer and not have any money or preparation to replace?

This time last season we still had our ‘stars’ and got battered. I’d take today over that any day

Does this help?

 

[UTB Blade]

There is zero positivity with Wilder at the helm. Let’s be fucking underdogs and have a go. On paper we have a decent squad, on the sidelines we don’t have a manager that knows how to work beyond what he always does. He’s 1 dimensional and yet we keep greasing his bollocks as well as his wallet.

There is zero positivity with threads like this posted at the final whistle.

If you want someone to blame for the endless, relentless negativity, look in the mirror.

 

[Valleyblade]

Haha.

Wilder out.

Great idea.

Like it or not, this is the project for now, and to shit the bed after one game, sack the manager, trust our owners to do something extremely risky, with fuck all money, and magically save the season (you know, like competing for top 8)...

Well I'm tempted to use old medical, now pejorative terms to describe this suggestion.

I'll stick to saying it seems a bad idea to me.

 

[KMC-1889]

Get used to it lads, your going to see a lot more it it.

We’ll lose to the top ten, we’ll beat the bottom ten, and end up somewhere in middle with nothing to play for from about March.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

There is zero positivity with threads like this posted at the final whistle.

If you want someone to blame for the endless, relentless negativity, look in the mirror.

Unfortunately, my positivity on this board breeds from this team, manager and club.

The negativity has been around since Sunderland playoff final and has stunk the place out with zero sign of improving.

 

[blade67]

Yeah I agree, get rid of him. The owners have shown they’re trustworthy when it comes to replacing him so I’ve no doubt they’ll sort it & life will be better without him.

Indeed. The current owners so far have
given him an extended contract
sacked him
Re-appointed him - 6 weeks later, with the team at platyed 5 - 0 points
Given him another extended contract

These guys know their shit don't they

 

[The Vicar]

My mother in law always wanted a champagne lifestyle on what has always been a beer income. She had expectations above her BT working husband’s salary.

Some on here want the same! We cannot afford champagne, but on the whole I thought what was offered instead was better than expected. There were obvious issues, but not conceding was a massive bonus.

Lack of quality was obvious, but brum were no better.

I think there are about 14 teams who will not be in contention for the top 2, or the bottom 5, but could end up anywhere between 6th and 19th. We are one of those 14, and where we end up is anyone’s guess, and at this time that is all it is a guess.

 

[Brian Deane]

Does this help?

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He's used the wrong arm, he should have used his left arm.

 

[Bell4]

2 well matched sides cancelled each other out both teams rely on work ethic...thrill an hour football but subs brightened it up a tad ,cannon had fewer touches than the ref

What can we expect when the war chest could apply to be a registered charity

Quote of the season already

cannon had fewer touches than the ref

Bravo

 

[UTB Blade]

I would rather watch the kids plays under a positive forward thinking manager that sets us to play just like Sunderland did they didn't have the best squad on paper their squad.was one of the youngest and they played with pace and width and had a go.

We. Do. Not. Have. Sunderland's. Budget.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

No money,
No signings,
No ideas,
No directions,
No interest.
Wank.

New theme tune for Only Fools & Horses?
Needs a bit of work....
7/10

 

[Bell4]

As far as I see it there is a lack of quality in the whole squad, with perhaps a couple of exceptions.
Whether that is down to the owners or CW I don’t know, but no manager can make average players into quality ones.
We can criticise CW on here as much as we like, but the players will not get any better, so why bother criticising ?

All true


but playing Cannon ?

insane and stubborn

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

We. Do. Not. Have. Sunderland's. Budget.

Correct. We were a parachute club the season we lost the final and had a squad that cost a lot more than Sunderland’s.

 

[UTB Blade]

Correct. We were a parachute club the season we lost the final and had a squad that cost a lot more than Sunderland’s.

Parachute club or not, Sunderland's owners are considerably richer than ours, and their available budget is considerably higher than ours. That's just how it is. Anyone thinking we could attract a Régis Le Bris is kidding themselves.

Who on earth wants a job where all their best players are sold, and there's no money for replacements?

People moan and snipe at Wilder for being a Blade, but the only reason a manager with his credentials is managing us, is because he's a Blade. With the ownership and budget situation as it is, if we were to get rid of Wilder, we'd be almost guaranteed another Selles - partly because the owners haven't a clue, but mainly because there's only someone like Selles would agree to take on the job under these circumstances. As I said, that's just how it is for us at the moment, and threads like this don't help.

 

[BeardyBlade]

Wilder turned a far worse team than we have now on paper in terms of technical ability into a promotion winning team.

That was Because we didn't focus on other teams we set out to break the opposition down and let them worry about us.

We had a proper work horse team that would die for each other and that were a proper team.

But Wilder made it so be having a positive forward thinking attacking approach.

And he lost it after Villa away innthe premier league season when we blew a 3-0 lead Wilder has never been the same since and completely regressed as a manager it is sad to see him tainting his legacy by setting us up in such a negative fashion.

I don’t think it’s a negative set up, the players aren’t good enough for any system. We have no depth of quality

My mother in law always wanted a champagne lifestyle on what has always been a beer income. She had expectations above her BT working husband’s salary.

Some on here want the same! We cannot afford champagne, but on the whole I thought what was offered instead was better than expected. There were obvious issues, but not conceding was a massive bonus.

Lack of quality was obvious, but brum were no better.

I think there are about 14 teams who will not be in contention for the top 2, or the bottom 5, but could end up anywhere between 6th and 19th. We are one of those 14, and where we end up is anyone’s guess, and at this time that is all it is a guess.

at least beer allows you to forget normal life for a brief period. Blades make me want to gouge my eyes out.
We can’t afford players fine. I get that. Wilder did Billy big bollocks at the end of last season and what’s happened? We sold our best player and replaced him with hasbeens.
I don’t mind a shit sandwich from the blades just don’t pretend before the season starts it going to be a sirloin steak.

 

[Barnette]

Phillips, Doherty, Rothwell....3 typical Wilder signings....safe experienced bets that will no doubt spend a lot of time on the physio table.

We are going nowhere, its uninspiring and we have to move on at some point. Other teams have already moved ahead of us.... yet still we stick with him

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Parachute club or not, Sunderland's owners are considerably richer than ours, and their available budget is considerably higher than ours. That's just how it is. Anyone thinking we could attract a Régis Le Bris is kidding themselves.

Who on earth wants a job where all their best players are sold, and there's no money for replacements?

People moan and snipe at Wilder for being a Blade, but the only reason a manager with his credentials is managing us, is because he's a Blade. With the ownership and budget situation as it is, if we were to get rid of Wilder, we'd be almost guaranteed another Selles - partly because the owners haven't a clue, but mainly because there's only someone like Selles would agree to take on the job under these circumstances. As I said, that's just how it is for us at the moment, and threads like this don't help.

Le bris was actually a fairly unknown quantity before Sunderland. Had one good season and one shit in ligue 1 and was sacked after getting relegated with Lorient. You could argue even selles had a similar pedigree to him (particularly in English football) before joining us. Sunderland also sold Jack Clarke to Ipswich in the summer before 24/25. They have rich owners who have spent in the premier league yes but they didn’t buy promotion.

 

[UTB Blade]

Le bris was actually a fairly unknown quantity before Sunderland. Had one good season and one shit in ligue 1 and was sacked after getting relegated with Lorient. You could argue even selles had a similar pedigree to him (particularly in English football) before joining us. Sunderland also sold Jack Clarke to Ipswich in the summer before 24/25. They have rich owners who have spent in the premier league yes but they didn’t buy promotion.

But Le Bris wouldn't have done the job he's done with them, with us, because - and I know I'm repeating myself here - of the ownership situation.

And I know they sold Clarke - virtually all clubs sell their better players. It's who you replace them with that counts.

In my original reply to Moody, I would have been better to make the point that we don't have Sunderland's owners, rather than focussing on the budget, because, although the budget's important, I think the nous in knowing how to run a football club is every bit as important as the budget, if not more so. At the moment, Sunderland have both and we have neither, and fans whining on here, "I want to be like Sunderland" ain't gonna change that.

 

[FredZeppelin]

"Usual melt" here.
What the fuck did you expect???
He's proved over the last few years that he's a crap coach, a terrible tactician, and he's completely certain to throw the players under the bus to cover up his own negative, turgid playing style and boring game plan. He's also filled the club with his useless, wage-stealing stooges, like fucking Hoyland, who have made him nearly unsackable.
Of course we are all grateful for the job he did when he first came in. They were great years but they are gone, and all we are left with is this pathetic shell of a manager and his out-dated ideas and massive ' its not my fault' ego.
Still.......we might stay up this season and the 'cult of Wilder will rejoice.
Enjoy!

utb

 

[Hillsboro Blade]

I don’t think I’ve been as bored at a match than watching that turgid shit today. There’s oil tankers presently in the Straights of Hormuz that have moved quicker recently than Peck and Rothwell. Have we ever had midfielders as slow as those two? We’re crying out for a change of direction, it’s painful. If a non United fan asked me what our style of play was I honestly couldn’t tell them. No wonder Brookes wanted to piss off. He saw the writing on the wall alright. Overreaction after one game? I don’t think so. My god, this is going to be one hard, boring, tedious season.

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

Didn’t watch the match as on holiday but it sounds a typical start of the season match.

We need to get to the end of the window and see where the squad is at before we truly know what we are dealing with.

However, we are effectively in turmoil behind the scenes - owners in court for non-payment of £35m to the Prince, loss of parachute payments, £22m net owed on transfers etc.

For me, as things currently stand we need to lower expectations to hope for a solid but un-spectacular season.

Not an inspiring message ahead of the new season but I fear one bad move from the owners could see us relegated, it’s happened to plenty of teams once parachute payments have gone.

I agree Wilder isn’t what he used to be and I don’t like it when his ego shows itself, but in the situation we are in he’s solid enough to do the job I think we need this season.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

We. Do. Not. Have. Sunderland's. Budget.

How.do.you.know.if.we.keep.making.a.balls.up.of.it.?

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

I would rather watch the kids plays under a positive forward thinking manager that sets us to play just like Sunderland did they didn't have the best squad on paper their squad.was one of the youngest and they played with pace and width and had a go.

I love this idea. That people like you, who are the mardiest, most entitled, negative, constantly moaning,rainclouds of doom you'll ever find, would just be happy to watch the kids have a go.

What you really mean is you'd be happy to watch the kids have a go as long as the kids get promoted like Sunderland.

You'd be pissing your pants and throwing your toys out the pram if we played the kids and were 14th in league.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

You're literally describing having a chip on your shoulder, if you can't get over it that's a shame, but do you really need to start hysterical threads at every opportunity?

(Not that this actually is an opportunity, it's a draw against a decent team).

Fans are completely warranted in feeling angry against the manager of their football club if they feel a job isn’t being done properly.

“Having a “chip on your shoulder” means carrying a lingering sense of resentment, grievance, or feeling that you’ve been treated unfairly, which can make you defensive or confrontational.”

Literally Chris Wilder.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Fans are completely warranted in feeling angry against the manager of their football club if they feel a job isn’t being done properly.

“Having a “chip on your shoulder” means carrying a lingering sense of resentment, grievance, or feeling that you’ve been treated unfairly, which can make you defensive or confrontational.”

Literally Chris Wilder.

Your sense of grievance and resentment has made you so confrontational that you're screaming for the manager to be sacked after a draw in the opening league game against a side with promotion ambitions.

We've lost two of our best players and not yet replaced them and have significant holes in certain positions, but still won our first game of the season 3-0. This reaction is mental.

He doesn't sound like he has a chip on his shoulder in his pre or post match presser. He's getting on with it, accepting our new financial situation and attempting to make the best of it. You should do the same.

 

[Jan Age]

This is exactly what I wanted to avoid happening and why I didn’t want wilder back the first time let alone the last time.

He will ruin his legacy this year and will be booed out of the club..

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Your sense of grievance and resentment has made you so confrontational that you're screaming for the manager to be sacked after a draw in the opening league game against a side with promotion ambitions.

We've lost two of our best players and not yet replaced them and have significant holes in certain positions, but still won our first game of the season 3-0. This reaction is mental.

He doesn't sound like he has a chip on his shoulder in his pre or post match presser. He's getting on with it, accepting our new financial situation and attempting to make the best of it. You should do the same.

The reaction is not mental. Go and have a look at how many likes the OP got. You’re fast becoming in the minority. And I don’t know how many more times I need to say it….but this isn’t a reaction after 1 game, it’s a reaction that’s dragged on from last season.

But in your world….fans ought not to air grievances or anger about the playing style of the manager (or lack of one) and just sit tight cos he at least hE’s MaKiNg ThE BeSt Of It….

 

[AWetFlannel]

The reaction is not mental. Go and have a look at how many likes the OP got. You’re fast becoming in the minority. And I don’t know how many more times I need to say it….but this isn’t a reaction after 1 game, it’s a reaction that’s dragged on from last season.

But in your world….fans ought not to air grievances or anger about the playing style of the manager (or lack of one) and just sit tight cos he at least hE’s MaKiNg ThE BeSt Of It….

I'm absolutely in the minority on this forum and happy to be so. Amongst fans that go to games though, particularly our away fans, I'm in the majority; they back our team and chant the manager's name.

You've had a chip on your shoulder since last season, so now you're going to relentlessly complain about your irrational hatred of our manager and scream for him to be sacked after every result that isn't a win? It's obviously not going to happen after a decent performance and result, why waste your time?

Attempt to make criticisms of the playing style or managerial decisions if you want, that's fine. I didn't like Adkins early on in his spell and did it plenty myself, but I didn't call for him to be sacked after every draw or defeat like a child.

Reality has to hit at some point; we've got a midtable budget, we need to sell our better players to meet financial regulations, our owners aren't great and our manager isn't a sexy new thing on an upward curve.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

I'm absolutely in the minority on this forum and happy to be so. Amongst fans that go to games though, particularly our away fans, I'm in the majority; they back our team and chant the manager's name.

You've had a chip on your shoulder since last season, so now you're going to relentlessly complain about your irrational hatred of our manager and scream for him to be sacked after every result that isn't a win? It's obviously not going to happen after a decent performance and result, why waste your time?

Attempt to make criticisms of the playing style or managerial decisions if you want, that's fine. I didn't like Adkins early on in his spell and did it plenty myself, but I didn't call for him to be sacked after every draw or defeat like a child.

Reality has to hit at some point; we've got a midtable budget, we need to sell our better players to meet financial regulations, our owners aren't great and our manager isn't a sexy new thing on an upward curve.

Irrational hatred? I don’t hate Wilder, I’m happy for what he’s achieved at this club and the memories he’s given us as a fanbase. However, I don’t think he should’ve been given his third (THIRD) chance at our great club following the Sunderland game. He’s proven his ineffectiveness as a modern day manager and I feel fans like you still think he’s the manager of 2016, when he’s not. The game has passed him by. Hes on a downward curve and has been for a while. These are all completely rational reasons why I want him out. He’s incapable now and he’s being kept on because of his blade status. It’s sad.

The owners won’t sack him but it doesn’t stop fans being entitled to call for his sacking. That’s how football works. This is our club.

 

[Kona]

Whilst it is only one game, some fans see us a predictable and uninspiring and have done for a while. For me, it’s more a case of continuation of that than a knee jerk reaction to one poor performance.

I think opening games rarely live up to the expectation, so I’m not too downbeat or surprised about it. It is a clean sheet and identifies where we need to strengthen and improve, so hopefully we’ll do that in the next two weeks.

As I’ve said on other threads, I thought the end of last season was an ideal time to replace Wilder and head in a new direction, and so far nothing has changed that view.

The type of signings and again being slow in the transfer market is an all too familiar pattern. Wilder even acknowledged this last point a few months ago, and yet here we are again.

I’m not convinced much will change in our style of play from last season either but I’ll wait and see what the team looks like at the end of the window and how we perform in following few games before being too critical of performances.