Sheffield United vs Watford

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EFL Championship Matchweek 4 - Sunday 1st September 2024 - 15:00 - Bramall Lane
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[Espania blade]

Nobody has mentioned Shackleton, I thought he looked a really promising player
Funny, I wasn't biting my nails today thinking they were going to score, very unlike a Sheffield United fan lol

 

[Frank the tank]

Nobody has mentioned Shackleton, I thought he looked a really promising player
Funny, I wasn't biting my nails today thinking they were going to score, very unlike a Sheffield United fan lol

Yeah actually he did show some great signs but also lately got out muscled in bad areas as well

So mixed bag but some promising signs

 

[Belvedere Blade]

 

[Keen Blade]

So we are playing wellfrom keeper to midfield. Not looking under too much pressure. Just need the final third sorting out. No great crosses with someone on the end, struggle to penetrative. Moore not the answer against the top teams. He doesn't pull the cb apart to create channels for Hamer or O'Hare to run into. Guess they need more "gel" time

Moore looks like he's on a 3 year paid retirement holiday

 

[Frank the tank]

Moore looks like he's on a 3 year paid retirement holiday

Makes you look a bit ignorant that comment

 

[Vass Borbokis]

He scored 20 in a Championship season for Cardiff not that long ago.

What was it 3/4 years ago?
Coincidentally the best season of Moore's career btw.
He's really not impressive when you look at the stats (and the 4 league games he's played for us so far)
Just look at those career stats and how he's played in these 4 games and tell me you're happy with him being out first choice striker this season

 

[Aston max]

Personally I'd have brought brewster on for Moore about 70 minutes and Campbell for ohare at 80 love Peck but wasn't the game for him
I still think Cw needs to change things earlier that's what he's letting himself down with
Also what started the kick off at full-time

 

[Keen Blade]

Yes and he was on his "wrong" side

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

What was it 3/4 years ago?
Coincidentally the best season of Moore's career btw.
He's really not impressive when you look at the stats (and the 4 league games he's played for us so far)
Just look at those career stats and how he's played in these 4 games and tell me you're happy with him being out first choice striker this season

Whether we like it or not he's the only striker we currently have.

We need to back him as much as we can.

He might not hit 20 this season but he'll still be our top scorer.

 

[Vass Borbokis]

Whether we like it or not he's the only striker we currently have.

We need to back him as much as we can.

He might not hit 20 this season but he'll still be our top scorer.

He's there because of poor planning, nothing else.

He's absolutely miles off being a first choice striker at this level.
He's plan B at best.
I was worried before but today has confirmed it.

I hope further down the line someone quotes this post and makes me look foolish, but at this moment he looks to be playing a level above where he should be

Oli was twice the player (at least), but most won't admit that cos he ran like a wally and wore socks round his ankles.

 

[sheff_blade90]

i thought it was very good performance, we had 2 good halves against Watford that had been very strong. the only thing i could dislike is our indecisiveness in the final third & i want to see players to have confidence to just hit it or cross it in 1st time. espically that keiffer moore chance because you look at haaland. he wouldve just slid it in the bottom corner easily. but moore kept waiting for perfect opportunity that never arrived

was the penalty miss, all part of the masterplan, as we know the dangers of taking a 2-0 lead early on v a London side

the referee was ropey & inconsistent but thats par for the course. but poor refereeing does have 1 advantage because the atmosphere in closing stages was incredible. its loudest at home ive heard it for a long while. fit for our 1st home league win for nearly 9 months. such a long gap only Anel, Hamer & Souza survived

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

He's absolutely miles off being a first choice striker at this level.

Absolute nonsense.

In the Championship he's scored 37 goals in his last 89 games.

 

[Keen Blade]

Makes you look a bit ignorant that comment

Just felt he contributed very little , not much hold-up play , slow to get in onto crosses , fluffed two chances to set up a tap-in , seemed to be coasting around and not winning headers against smaller defenders. Looked tired at 32 so what will he be like at 34 ? I was never a big fan of McBurnie but Moore doesn't seem to be an improvement.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I hope further down the line someone quotes this post and makes me look foolish, but at this moment he looks to be playing a level above where he should be

OK, I’ll quote it because you’ve already made yourself look foolish. He’s been brought in as a target man, not as a 20 goal striker. But if he’d put the penalty away (the one that he was instrumental in winning) he’d be on 2 goals from the first 4 games whilst the team is still learning to play to his strengths. As others have pointed out, the goals will come from the players around him.

 

[Frank the tank]

Just felt he contributed very little , not much hold-up play , slow to get in onto crosses , fluffed two chances to set up a tap-in , seemed to be coasting around and not winning headers against smaller defenders. Looked tired at 32 so what will he be like at 34 ? I was never a big fan of McBurnie but Moore doesn't seem to be an improvement.

Missed a penalty and made a bollox of the one at the end bit overall I thought he played well

He wasn't so bad he deserved your comment
He's definitely giving his all

 

[Keen Blade]

Whether we like it or not he's the only striker we currently have.

We need to back him as much as we can.

He might not hit 20 this season but he'll still be our top scorer.

What do you mean "back him" ?
No one's saying he should be booed !
Just disappointed that he isn't affecting games much + looks a bit slow.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

What do you mean "back him" ?
No one's saying he should be booed !
Just disappointed that he isn't affecting games much + looks a bit slow.

People are wanting him off pens already just because he's missed one.

There's also been a thread suggesting we start Brewster, Campbell or Oné ahead of him.

Fucking nut house this place sometimes.

 

[Foxy]

There's also been a thread suggesting we start Brewster, Campbell or Oné ahead of him.

Fucking nut house this place sometimes.

It’s the same on X.

 

[Nick Jansky]

What do you mean "back him" ?
No one's saying he should be booed !
Just disappointed that he isn't affecting games much + looks a bit slow.

He affected the game in a major way to win the penalty. He links play really well. He makes intelligent runs that create space for others to exploit.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

He affected the game in a major way to win the penalty. He links play really well. He makes intelligent runs that create space for others to exploit.

Moore's ball to Arblaster in the lead up to the penalty was the best pass in the entire game.

 

[Foxy]

Moore's ball to Arblaster in the lead up to the penalty was the best pass in the entire game.

Burrows put a cracker through to Moore too.

 

[Keen Blade]

Frank , Nick & Peter make some good points and I accept my "holiday" comment was unfair.
I guess I'm frustrated by his penalty miss and the two chances he had to pass square for a tap-in.

 

[Vass Borbokis]

Absolute nonsense.

In the Championship he's scored 37 goals in his last 89 games.

As I've said, I really do hope someone comes back and quotes my comments further down the line, proving I'm an imbecile. (I want our players to do well).

How is it a 'absolute nonsense'?

He's had a average career at championship level, never made the step up to the premier league level and has looked poor so far in the games he's played for us (today being the worst I think).

I'm going on his performances in the 4 games for Sheffield United.
Not how many goals he scored in a fluent Ipswich side or a one off purple patch/season at Cardiff.

Last few seasons for Kieffer (in the league):
This season 1 in 4
Last season 7 in 18 (good, but in a very impressive Ipswich side)
22/23 1 in 8
21/22 9 in 26

They're not ridiculous figures, average at best.

As I said, I'm going on his performances. Which haven't been good enough.

Stats can always be skewed to emphasize a narrative. Why don't you pull the stats for assists? (Something a target man striker should be decent at).

 

[Bladesthorpe]

He made loads of runs into channels and never got the pass, great pass for the pen. He outpaced the central defender twice but made the wrong decision.
Missed the pen but who hasn't and should have scored twice from good chances, but is a good player to have up front and offers so much to the team.

 

[Vass Borbokis]

OK, I’ll quote it because you’ve already made yourself look foolish. He’s been brought in as a target man, not as a 20 goal striker. But if he’d put the penalty away (the one that he was instrumental in winning) he’d be on 2 goals from the first 4 games whilst the team is still learning to play to his strengths. As others have pointed out, the goals will come from the players around him.

I wouldn't say I've looked foolish, I'm expressing my opinion.

'if he'd put the penalty away'
Didn't though did he.
If my nan had wheels she'd have been a bike etc.

So if he hasn't been brought in as a 20 goal a season striker, what would you expect from a centre forward of his ilk? Would it be assists (which he has next to none in his career)?

Would it be his all round play, which has been sub par apart from one good pass today?
(How many breaks have broken down because of his inability to make the right decision).

End of the day, if anyone else misses a penalty and fucks up a one on one like Moore did today, we'd never hear the end of it.
He gets away with it because he doesn't wear socks round his ankles.

It's alright saying 'the goals will come from those around him' but I'd rather have confidence in my centre forward being able to score, rather than relying on others.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

As I've said, I really do hope someone comes back and quotes my comments further down the line, proving I'm an imbecile. (I want our players to do well).

How is it a 'absolute nonsense'?

He's had a average career at championship level, never made the step up to the premier league level and has looked poor so far in the games he's played for us (today being the worst I think).

I'm going on his performances in the 4 games for Sheffield United.
Not how many goals he scored in a fluent Ipswich side or a one off purple patch/season at Cardiff.

Last few seasons for Kieffer (in the league):
This season 1 in 4
Last season 7 in 18 (good, but in a very impressive Ipswich side)
22/23 1 in 8
21/22 9 in 26

They're not ridiculous figures, average at best.

As I said, I'm going on his performances. Which haven't been good enough.

Stats can always be skewed to emphasize a narrative. Why don't you pull the stats for assists? (Something a target man striker should be decent at).

I'm not saying Moore is prolific, he obviously isn't.

It's absolute nonsense that you said he looks like a League One player when he has a very respectable goalscoring record in the Championship.

You say he didn't make the step up to the Premier League which is irrelevant, we're not playing in the Premier League. Billy Sharp never made the step up to the Premier League. So what?

You've also stated McBurnie is twice as good as him (at least) which is way over the top.

Their records in the Championship are fairly similar.

McBurnie 44 in 125.
Moore 55 in 176.

I always liked McBurnie and I would have preferred to have kept him rather than bring Moore in but there's not much in it.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I wouldn't say I've looked foolish, I'm expressing my opinion.

'if he'd put the penalty away'
Didn't though did he.
If my nan had wheels she'd have been a bike etc.

So if he hasn't been brought in as a 20 goal a season striker, what would you expect from a centre forward of his ilk? Would it be assists (which he has next to none in his career)?

Would it be his all round play, which has been sub par apart from one good pass today?
(How many breaks have broken down because of his inability to make the right decision).

End of the day, if anyone else misses a penalty and fucks up a one on one like Moore did today, we'd never hear the end of it.
He gets away with it because he doesn't wear socks round his ankles.

It's alright saying 'the goals will come from those around him' but I'd rather have confidence in my centre forward being able to score, rather than relying on others.

You are expressing an opinion, but opinions can look foolish.

You’re going to be disappointed because you don’t appear to understand the type of player he is or his role in the team. But that’s fine, because it’s clear from comments on this & other threads that most people do understand it.

 

[Keen Blade]

Anyone know why JRS was hooked ?
Hope he's not injured but I'd be surprised if tactical coz imo he was good going forward.
But we need to vary how we pass to him - playing it to him when he's blocked by 2 defenders is not sensible , we need to slide passes beyond their FB or dink one over the top for him to run onto.
We still fall into the trap of playing "in front of" the oppo defence rather than getting in behind it.
Makes our build-up too easy for the oppo to defend. I think we should try to make oppo defenders turn - and I'm not advocating crude long-balls.
Also , how did folk see the JRS replacement being a LB ?
Did Burrows move far enough forward to compensate for the loss of a winger ?

 

[ChezVegasBlade]

McCullum went left back, Burrows took lw and Hamer went to rw

 

[Vass Borbokis]

I'm not saying Moore is prolific, he obviously isn't.

It's absolute nonsense that you said he looks like a League One player when he has a very respectable goalscoring record in the Championship.

You say he didn't make the step up to the Premier League which is irrelevant, we're not playing in the Premier League. Billy Sharp never made the step up to the Premier League. So what?

You've also stated McBurnie is twice as good as him (at least) which is way over the top.

Their records in the Championship are fairly similar.

McBurnie 44 in 125.
Moore 55 in 176.

I always liked McBurnie and I would have preferred to have kept him rather than bring Moore in but there's not much in it.

I hold my hands up with the comment I made in respect to 'a level above where he should be'. How I meant that to be construed was I think he's a good backup striker at championship level. Not a first choice striker at this level.
Didn't mean league 1, that's poorly worded by myself.

In respects to the step up the premier league, that was just a comment RE his career. Billy was an outstanding player at this level. Moore - average.

When I was referring to Moore and McBurnie, I was talking about all round game. I don't think there's many that would ever start Moore over McBurnie (that aren't from Dronnie at least).

Everything I've said is in respect to Moore's all round game, which surely everyone should agree, hasn't been upto scratch.
I really hope he improves, I never want a blades player to fail. He's made a poor start, fingers crossed it'll improve as we're severely limited when it comes to alternatives.