CONFIRMED Bogle to Leeds United

[ben1987]

If he had 3 years or longer on his contract with us still to run then I would agree that he is probably worth about double that (£15m would be a fair price in today's market I would suggest). But... he only has 1 year left. Therefore we have to be realistic in his value to us as things stand and, all things considered, i think £7m plus is a fair selling price. If we get sold him for that then I wouldn't criticise the club at all for that decision.

100%

£7m with a year to run would be good business. Possibly even £5m. Leeds start at £3m, we say £7m and they meet in the middle at £5m.

Wilder has singled him out for praise on a couple of occasions recently so I think he’s part of his plans ideally. He’s also in the kit launch (not that it’s stopped us before) but doesn’t strike you as someone we’re desperate to get rid of.

Be similar to the Berge situation. We’ll want him to sign a new deal but will begrudgingly sell him if we refuses it - which you absolutely couldn’t blame them for.

 

[Rodley]

Vultures picking over us like a tin pot League 1 outfit. At some point hope we switch into “squad building” mode.

 

[Rocket Man]

Club has been run badly for a while with contracts but selling players in the last year of their contract for the amounts we have done is good business sense and the club needs to be run this way (but without the future players running down their contracts). No idea if Bogle wants out / won't sign a new deal but if either or both are true we have to make these decisions to progress to being a self sufficient Premier League club (They all run themselves this way - minus running contracts down which I hope will become a past thing now).

 

[Down the Channels]

If he had 3 years or longer on his contract with us still to run then I would agree that he is probably worth about double that (£15m would be a fair price in today's market I would suggest). But... he only has 1 year left. Therefore we have to be realistic in his value to us as things stand and, all things considered, i think £7m plus is a fair selling price. If we get sold him for that then I wouldn't criticise the club at all for that decision.

I am hoping Utd stick to the £7M as a minimum and Leeds cool their interest. I think Bogle was great in the Championship and can only see him improving on that.
I was hoping we would be asking for around £12M initially and I could have then seen some logic in accepting £8M with add ons.
We have enough re-building to do in the next 2 weeks without trying to replace Bogle.
If a £3-£5M bid comes in January, and Bogle still hasn't signed, then fair enough. Hopefully the take-over will just about be done by then and we have some funds!!!
Didn't Lowe and Bogle cost us a combined £5M? Need to see some decent return on that surely.

 

[Rodley]

I am hoping Utd stick to the £7M as a minimum and Leeds cool their interest. I think Bogle was great in the Championship and can only see him improving on that.
I was hoping we would be asking for around £12M initially and I could have then seen some logic in accepting £8M with add ons.
We have enough re-building to do in the next 2 weeks without trying to replace Bogle.
If a £3-£5M bid comes in January, and Bogle still hasn't signed, then fair enough. Hopefully the take-over will just about be done by then and we have some funds!!!
Didn't Lowe and Bogle cost us a combined £5M? Need to see some decent return on that surely.

Feels reminiscent of Berge in that we are helping out a rival competing for the same goal.

 

[Weasel]

Talking about running contracts down, I think Brewster is in his last year of his contract. I would hope that (if we have any hope that he will be fit for a run of games) that we would be looking at agreeing something with the lad that maybe extends his contract but drastically reduces his current salary. Some would argue against this and I understand why, but you definitely don't want the lad to start to have a run of games, start to look a player, and then he leaves for bugger all in 12 months. Maybe there is a deal to be done to protect both parties future interests and maybe performance related pay involved.

 

[Weasel]

Feels reminiscent of Berge in that we are helping out a rival competing for the same goal.

Agree to a certain extent, but the reality of the situation is that if only one club comes in and they offer the right price then so be it (sell to Leeds).

The trick is to ensure that we use those funds to bring in new players with resale value and who will be decent players for us over a much longer period. Case in point, Burrows (appreciate he's a left back but the point still stands).

 

[Whoateallthepies]

100%

£7m with a year to run would be good business. Possibly even £5m. Leeds start at £3m, we say £7m and they meet in the middle at £5m.

Wilder has singled him out for praise on a couple of occasions recently so I think he’s part of his plans ideally. He’s also in the kit launch (not that it’s stopped us before) but doesn’t strike you as someone we’re desperate to get rid of.

Be similar to the Berge situation. We’ll want him to sign a new deal but will begrudgingly sell him if we refuses it - which you absolutely couldn’t blame them for

100%

£7m with a year to run would be good business. Possibly even £5m. Leeds start at £3m, we say £7m and they meet in the middle at £5m.

Wilder has singled him out for praise on a couple of occasions recently so I think he’s part of his plans ideally. He’s also in the kit launch (not that it’s stopped us before) but doesn’t strike you as someone we’re desperate to get rid of.

Be similar to the Berge situation. We’ll want him to sign a new deal but will begrudgingly sell him if we refuses it - which you absolutely couldn’t blame them for.

7m quid is shit business! Especially to sell him to Leeds .
If you got 7m quid who would you replace him with for that money?

 

[jono_t2000]

In regards to running down contracts, the Athletic did a very good article on it last year how it's becoming more and more of a common thing in football as it's more financially beneficial for players to do so and that football clubs need to adapt to the changing of the ways.

 

[ben1987]

7m quid is shit business! Especially to sell him to Leeds .
If you got 7m quid who would you replace him with for that money?

I don’t want us to sell him. I like him as a player and it’s another body we could certainly do without replacing.

But I’d rather get £7m than £0

 

[Whoateallthepies]

I don’t want us to sell him. I like him as a player and it’s another body we could certainly do without replacing.

But I’d rather get £7m than £0

You do realise if you sell him it will cost to replace him then? And to get any half decent right back it's going to cost probably the same.

If I had a bag of crisps that went out of date tomorrow that cost be a quid, I'd rather lose my quid and throw them in the bin than sell them Leeds for anything less than a tenner

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Nixon saying we only want 7.
Fucking laughable again - this is the price we pay for fucking about with contracts

What details could you give us on the club’s contract negotiations with Bogle?

 

[NerdyBlade]

What details could you give us on the club’s contract negotiations with Bogle?

So do you not think we should have tried harder to negotiate contracts for players like him, McBurnie, Ect?

Doesn't take any inside knowledge to know the risk of even more players leaving on a free or cheap is ridiculous

 

[Frank the tank]

He's obviously running his contract down
So it's either 7 now or nothing later

Like any of last seasons squad he goes with my blessing

 

[Rocket Man]

7m quid is shit business! Especially to sell him to Leeds .
If you got 7m quid who would you replace him with for that money?

Some one who wants to be here for the next 4 years (if him not wanting to stay is a real thing / (good chance hes happy))

BBD + a premier league RWB loan.

Formation change to wingers (if that happens) might make it also a sensible approach

 

[EddieColquhoun]

So do you not think we should have tried harder to negotiate contracts for players like him, McBurnie, Ect?

Doesn't take any inside knowledge to know the risk of even more players leaving on a free or cheap is ridiculous

We’ve made McBurnie an offer. Him and his agent are trying to get more. How much more do you think we should offer?

 

[ben1987]

You do realise if you sell him it will cost to replace him then? And to get any half decent right back it's going to cost probably the same.

If I had a bag of crisps that went out of date tomorrow that cost be a quid, I'd rather lose my quid and throw them in the bin than sell them Leeds for anything less than a tenner

Yes I realise it costs money for replacements.

I do not want to sell him. I don’t want to sell him to Leeds. I want him to sign a new contract. I like him.

But £7m is too much to piss down the drain and let him go for free when we were on the verge of being totally skint 18m ago.

A lot of players don’t really move for large fees between championship clubs. The large fees are usually when a premier league team buys from the championship.

I’m sure we could get a decent replacement in the £3-7m range if he was to leave.

Look at Harrison Burrows the LB. 22, Peterborough captain and league one player of the season. £3m. I’m sure we could find someone in that mould but right sided.

I’d actually be surprised if there wasn’t some low level prem team interest as well if he becomes available.

It’s all purely speculation at this point no need to be so worried.

 

[Grizzly blade]

My thoughts-

If the long term plan is-
persist with a back 5 with wing backs and a central 3 then keeping Bogle and trying hard to tie him to a new deal should be a priority. In this league his forward creativity more than covers his less able defending.

If it’s 4-2-3-1 then we again will be able to manage with Bogle for this division, but remember how he was often torn apart by the higher quality wide players in the premier league. That makes decisions on selling now more sensible as the aim is promotion in the next 2 years. So we could sell now and recruit well with a specialist right back who can defend and hopefully progress to the level required at full back.

Though, he’s still young and learning and is the type of player we are all saying we should be going for right before they reach their peak. If he stays fit, gets some consistency and develops his defensive work he could well become a top player and able to deal better with the Gordon’s/Mitomas etc etc of this worldly.

Essentially will come down to what he wants…if he’s open to a new deal now then I’d be pushing it. If not, then sell now while we have the full year left and the window to replace.
But again, the situation we are in with these contracts really is abysmal management.

 

[NerdyBlade]

We’ve made McBurnie an offer. Him and his agent are trying to get more. How much more do you think we should offer?

So do you think it's good business to have talent like Bogle subject to lowball offers and us having to accept because we can't sort out contract situations?

 

[ben1987]

Some one who wants to be here for the next 4 years (if him not wanting to stay is a real thing / (good chance hes happy))

BBD + a premier league RWB loan.

Formation change to wingers (if that happens) might make it also a sensible approach

If we got £7mill and that was an option we could even buy BBD as isn’t he reportedly available for £6m.

Use a million for a premier league RB on loan then.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

So do you think it's good business to have talent like Bogle subject to lowball offers and us having to accept because we can't sort out contract situations?

How much have we offered him and how much do you think we should offer to get him to sign?

 

[Frank the tank]

So do you think it's good business to have talent like Bogle subject to lowball offers and us having to accept because we can't sort out contract situations?

Psg just had the exact same problem with mbappe and they've got a bottomless pit of cash

 

[NerdyBlade]

How much have we offered him and how much do you think we should offer to get him to sign?

Where have I said I knew how much we offered?

I'm saying we should be moving heaven and earth to keep him, not entertaining low ball offers - but our history of contract negotiations highlights we don't do that

 

[71Blade]

Not good enough defensively to be solely a defender.

He will be fine in the championship provided he stays injury free

 

[NerdyBlade]

Psg just had the exact same problem with mbappe and they've got a bottomless pit of cash

That was doomed from the start - he has aspirations of winning UCL ect. Can't achieve that when PSG never seem to grow as a club.

We don't have a bottomless pit, but are we unable to compete with Leeds either financially or aspirationally for Bogle?

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Where have I said I knew how much we offered?

I'm saying we should be moving heaven and earth to keep him, not entertaining low ball offers - but our history of contract negotiations highlights we don't do that

You said we were fucking about with contracts and now you’re saying you don’t know what we offered.

 

[NerdyBlade]

You said we were fucking about with contracts and now you’re saying you don’t know what we offered.

Do you not deem letting multiple talents contacts run out/forced to trigger extensions because we can't sign a deal fucking about?

 

[71Blade]

Some one who wants to be here for the next 4 years (if him not wanting to stay is a real thing / (good chance hes happy))

BBD + a premier league RWB loan.

Formation change to wingers (if that happens) might make it also a sensible approach

Too early for riddles. Does Bogle want to stay?

 

[Whoateallthepies]

Some one who wants to be here for the next 4 years (if him not wanting to stay is a real thing / (good chance hes happy))

BBD + a premier league RWB loan.

Formation change to wingers (if that happens) might make it also a sensible approach

Agree would be good, just had a thought. Cody Drameh didn't seem bad

 

[Frank the tank]

That was doomed from the start - he has aspirations of winning UCL ect. Can't achieve that when PSG never seem to grow as a club.

We don't have a bottomless pit, but are we unable to compete with Leeds either financially or aspirationally for Bogle?

We've just pipped them to the signing of the best free transfer available
( according to strong sources)

Leeds are a huge club with much larger resources than us, so if you're pissed off we can't financially outmuscle them I'd take it a sign we have come a long way as a club from the days they poached all our best players