Players allowed to leave announced

[Andy67]

If Brentford and Brighton are using AI to sign players it is working as they are using it. The other stuff you described can fine tune them, but they still have to be a good signing in the first place.
We clearly haven't used it correctly.
I Don't believe anyone successful will be using an 'AI' signing (on its own)
It is just one more tool to use, not THE method. That is the key.

The AI signings have specifics that the club is looking for. The work starts after they are signed and this is where AI comes into its own because as I said AI is used by the specialised coaching staff that have been trained to implement the pinpointed in game AI to improve a player for example Brighton players go on to the pitch and AI is used to measure the times they face specific directions and how they turn to 100s of other bodily movements whilst at the same time measuring this of opposition players. Other top clubs in Europe do not possess their analytical systems and have tried to buy it but they don’t sell it. An AI signing means nothing without the structure that does the above. A non AI wants to coach players to be better but doesn’t have specialist staff concentrating on thousands of player movements during a game. If James Bord was signing players who had good metrics that’s great but United don’t have what both Brentford and Brighton have and that’s the structure for improving them through AI.

I was told by a a recruiter of players that if a scout plays up their importance in the process then he is trying to fool you. Scouts are meant to suggest players that the coaches are capable of working with. An example is Ndiaye, who was scouted as potential but was almost lost to us as was deemed not good enough on one specific attribute. This wouldn’t have been considered at an AI driven club because he would’ve been signed with a view to improving that aspect.
We currently employ a traditional manager and assistant coaches not an AI driven coaching team as Brighton and Brentford have. I thought the new Brentford coach would fail but only subsequently it seems that the system protects the coach and the players from failure and invariably means that the club usually make tons of cash out of selling their players after adding value to players who have the potential to be very good.

 

[Kenilworth]

I wonder what would be considered a “suitable offer” for Matos?

A blowy and a packet of Garibaldis

 

[BerksBlade]

The AI signings have specifics that the club is looking for.

So is AI just being used as a data search tool? Who specified the attributes we were looking for? Selles?
Interesting coincidence that 2 players who fit the criteria are playing for the same team, and another for a team James Bord has a stake in.

 

[Andy67]

So is AI just being used as a data search tool? Who specified the attributes we were looking for? Selles?
Interesting coincidence that 2 players who fit the criteria are playing for the same team, and another for a team James Bord has a stake in.

Yes data search tool, may as well be playing a computer game and making signings based on it. Brentford and Brighton would be pissing themselves with laughter. It’s almost like saying that you’ll be making AI signings and it magically = good players. AI signings are not a short cut. All the big clubs would love the systems those two clubs have but they don’t. I think that clubs have asked them to sell it but the cost is astronomical.

 

[Bobby b]

I only saw that Ukake in the friendlies but I thought he had something, clearly not

 

[Houston_Blade]

I only saw that Ukake in the friendlies but I thought he had something, clearly not

Louie Barry looked a world beater against Chesterfield, unfortunately we’re not playing them every week.

 

[Loco Blade]

Bord's AI modelling is only as good as the data that's going in and the person interpreting it at the other end, both of which must have been bloody terrible.

For all the fuck ups, we might as well have just given Opta a ring and asked for a shortlist of players based on some loose criteria and got some football data from people who have been at it for the last 30 years, not some dodgy American poker player.

What the F happens to good old fashioned scouting them . Guy I knows son got scouted at Linfield NI and was picked up by Wet Spam . Decent young talent over there see Conner Bradley at Liverpool . Question is can we develop talent or the inevitable sell to bigger club that can happens again

 

[GymClassHero]

But nothing had been made official. But you be edgy and sarcy.

Edgy and sarcy? Grow a sense of humor ffs man.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

I only saw that Ukake in the friendlies but I thought he had something, clearly not

Looked like Beni Traore had returned & they’d just put a different name on his shirt

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Any players we sign must be at a decent Championship standard with the potential to develop to Premier League standard.

Premier League standard means the players need the skill, pace and robust physicality to compete.

For me, the likes of Matos and McGuiness don't hack it.

 

[wadblade]

We arent getting anything like what we paid for him...which i heard cd have risen to 7m with add ons for appearance targets, promotion etc. And thats not fanciful when u think he came from Chelsea and had already played 20 games for Oxford United in the championship at the age of 20 and they wanted him back.

Id be tempted to keep him if we dont get offered decent money but I suspect CW wants to take a clean broom to the last regime. I wouldn't be surprised if we our touting McGuiness around either as hes another thst we overpaid for who CW doesn freshly seem to rate.

Matos is quite tenacious I wonder if we could turn him into cover for RB

 

[Dan Emery]

Matos is quite tenacious I wonder if we could turn him into cover for RB

Based on the showing against Derby I very much doubt it

 

[wadblade]

Based on the showing against Derby I very much doubt it

OK just a thought as we do need cover

 

[Frank the tank]

The AI signings have specifics that the club is looking for. The work starts after they are signed and this is where AI comes into its own because as I said AI is used by the specialised coaching staff that have been trained to implement the pinpointed in game AI to improve a player for example Brighton players go on to the pitch and AI is used to measure the times they face specific directions and how they turn to 100s of other bodily movements whilst at the same time measuring this of opposition players. Other top clubs in Europe do not possess their analytical systems and have tried to buy it but they don’t sell it. An AI signing means nothing without the structure that does the above. A non AI wants to coach players to be better but doesn’t have specialist staff concentrating on thousands of player movements during a game. If James Bord was signing players who had good metrics that’s great but United don’t have what both Brentford and Brighton have and that’s the structure for improving them through AI.

I was told by a a recruiter of players that if a scout plays up their importance in the process then he is trying to fool you. Scouts are meant to suggest players that the coaches are capable of working with. An example is Ndiaye, who was scouted as potential but was almost lost to us as was deemed not good enough on one specific attribute. This wouldn’t have been considered at an AI driven club because he would’ve been signed with a view to improving that aspect.
We currently employ a traditional manager and assistant coaches not an AI driven coaching team as Brighton and Brentford have. I thought the new Brentford coach would fail but only subsequently it seems that the system protects the coach and the players from failure and invariably means that the club usually make tons of cash out of selling their players after adding value to players who have the potential to be very good.

So what specifics were we looking for in caceres ,nwuchukwu ,ukaki and polendakov ?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

So what specifics were we looking for in caceres ,nwuchukwu ,ukaki and polendakov ?

I think I know what James Bord was looking for in Polenkadov (£).

 

[Andy67]

So what specifics were we looking for in caceres ,nwuchukwu ,ukaki and polendakov ?

Not relevant to the point I’m making. I don’t know and I’m not interested however a decision was made early that these players weren’t good enough. The players that were signed last season were also regarded as not capable of development at this level. Maybe a proper structure would have vetoed these signings.

 

[Andy67]

I think I know what James Bord was looking for in Polenkadov (£).

Undoubtedly a factor in any signings or development of any players United sign.
As for Bord the club should’ve employed him to put his money where is mouth is and if he was confident of his system he could have lent the money to the club to buy them with an agreement he gets a serious percentage over his original outlay when sold.

 

[I should coco]

I was told by a a recruiter of players that if a scout plays up their importance in the process then he is trying to fool you. Scouts are meant to suggest players that the coaches are capable of working with. An example is Ndiaye, who was scouted as potential but was almost lost to us as was deemed not good enough on one specific attribute. This wouldn’t have been considered at an AI driven club because he would’ve been signed with a view to improving that aspect.
We currently employ a traditional manager and assistant coaches not an AI driven coaching team as Brighton and Brentford have. I thought the new Brentford coach would fail but only subsequently it seems that the system protects the coach and the players from failure and invariably means that the club usually make tons of cash out of selling their players after adding value to players who have the potential to be very good.

A brilliant example, and I'm really glad that our scouting team didn't sign that useless tosspot Ndiaye.

Any more examples?