CONFIRMED Cameron Archer signs for the Blades - 4 year contract

[Nick Jansky]

You don’t fucking say. This is Bettis and his ace legal team we are talking about.

Once again, you are talking about things that you are completely clueless about.

But let’s humour you. Name some specific things that the club’s legal advisers have fucked since Bettis has been here.

 

[HarryHaslam]

Clearly only ITK on this thread is that Lupa fella from pages back, he knew there was a problem even when resident ITKs said it was done.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

You don’t fucking say. This is Bettis and his ace legal team we are talking about.

Its best that this had come to light now, because if ut went through and we played him, we would be getting a hefty punishment. And the Premier league would love to shit on the Blades again

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

As far as this weekend is concerned, I don't suppose it matters because short of a miracle, Archer or not, the chances of us winning are pretty miniscule.

Getting him in for Everton is the key because they're a team we should have a decent chance of beating.

And because if he's not in in time for Everton that means it'll have gone down to the last 11 hours of the window at which point there's a good chance the whole thing will fall through or we get gazumped by someone with the finances to just buy him properly.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Everything was on, some legal stuff with contracts and both clubs are trying to iron out the technicalities. A very not straight forward deal with many variables due to a buy back clause which sounds like it was NOT fully agreed after all. And not legal (epl rules) either apparently! Bit of a mess but still looks to be on for all party’s.

Wouldn't be surprising if the EPL were looking very closely at stuff like this and wouldn't be surprising if the deal as it is falls through.
A buy back option could surely be in place without reference to United getting relegated given we'll be selling the furniture if we do go down anyway.

 

[Bristol Blade]

You don’t fucking say. This is Bettis and his ace legal team we are talking about.

You know that Glyn Hodges left foot is just a comedy poster who doesn't actually have a clue what's going on right?

The hold up is Archer agreeing a contract with Villa in case they end up buying him back. The exact same thing happened with Ramsey signing for Burnley; the deal with Burnley was agreed about a week before it was finally announced because Ramsey had to agree a potential contract with Villa.

 

[Addison]

Everything was on, some legal stuff with contracts and both clubs are trying to iron out the technicalities. A very not straight forward deal with many variables due to a buy back clause which sounds like it was NOT fully agreed after all. And not legal (epl rules) either apparently! Bit of a mess but still looks to be on for all party’s.

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Villa attempting to create mandatory buy back clauses when they are intended to be of an obligatory nature. The legality I suspect refers to the relegation buy back element which may raise questions with the EPL as to whether it is a loan by another means. Some midnight oil to be burnt carefully drafting the explicit terms as the EPL will be all over this when its presented to them having not come across this type of arrangement before.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Everything was on, some legal stuff with contracts and both clubs are trying to iron out the technicalities. A very not straight forward deal with many variables due to a buy back clause which sounds like it was NOT fully agreed after all. And not legal (epl rules) either apparently! Bit of a mess but still looks to be on for all party’s.

Did Rocket man send you that on WhatsApp?

 

[Gannon's perm]

Everything was on, some legal stuff with contracts and both clubs are trying to iron out the technicalities. A very not straight forward deal with many variables due to a buy back clause which sounds like it was NOT fully agreed after all. And not legal (epl rules) either apparently! Bit of a mess but still looks to be on for all party’s.

WUEDP

 

[Begley]

Wouldn't be surprising if the EPL were looking very closely at stuff like this and wouldn't be surprising if the deal as it is falls through.
A buy back option could surely be in place without reference to United getting relegated given we'll be selling the furniture if we do go down anyway.

How is it any different to players having relegation clauses in their contracts that allow them to leave the club for a reduced fee upon relegation? It is nearly impossible to remove all conflicts of interest.

 

[SufcBilly]

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Villa attempting to create mandatory buy back clauses when they are intended to be of an obligatory nature. The legality I suspect refers to the relegation buy back element which may raise questions with the EPL as to whether it is a loan by another means. Some midnight oil to be burnt carefully drafting the explicit terms as the EPL will be all over this when its presented to them having not come across this type of arrangement before.

Are mandatory and obligation not the same thing?

 

[Oreyt]

(Hardly worth the effort TBH)

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[CaptainMorgans]

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Villa attempting to create mandatory buy back clauses when they are intended to be of an obligatory nature. The legality I suspect refers to the relegation buy back element which may raise questions with the EPL as to whether it is a loan by another means. Some midnight oil to be burnt carefully drafting the explicit terms as the EPL will be all over this when its presented to them having not come across this type of arrangement before.

I think it's us trying to force the obligatory buy-back upon relegation clause to protect ourselves financially.

There will also be a buy-back clause regardless of whether we are relegated but I assume this will be set much higher (£35-40m).

 

[Lupa The Noa]

New ITK just dropped.

We didn't need any more but it is what it is.

How's that

Medical completed ! Passed. Now gone to sign the contract

How's the world's longest medical going?

It is widely reported that the hold up is at the Villa end. I would say that Bettis and co. Have done a good job to provide us with a good option to buy / loan or use one of the best strikers available to us for this season.

It's absolutely at the Villa end. There's a really worrying trend with clubs adding a buy back clause, but what Villa were asking was a silly amount. Let's hope they can earn their salt and iron out a decent deal for both clubs

 

[Nick Jansky]

How is it any different to players having relegation clauses in their contracts that allow them to leave the club for a reduced fee upon relegation? It is nearly impossible to remove all conflicts of interest.

The difference is that a relegation clause doesn’t mandate the player to leave, it gives him the option. In this case he is mandated to return to the club that “sold” him if we are relegated.

 

[ancientblade]

Everything was on, some legal stuff with contracts and both clubs are trying to iron out the technicalities. A very not straight forward deal with many variables due to a buy back clause which sounds like it was NOT fully agreed after all. And not legal (epl rules) either apparently! Bit of a mess but still looks to be on for all party’s.

do you think the premier league have stepped in here glyn ? this deal is very close to being a season long loan with this buy back option

 

[Begley]

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Villa attempting to create mandatory buy back clauses when they are intended to be of an obligatory nature. The legality I suspect refers to the relegation buy back element which may raise questions with the EPL as to whether it is a loan by another means. Some midnight oil to be burnt carefully drafting the explicit terms as the EPL will be all over this when its presented to them having not come across this type of arrangement before.

Why would it be Villa creating a mandatory buyback clause, it makes zero sense. It must be Blades pushing for this. Keeping the buyback optional is more beneficial to the selling club. Having the buyback mandatory gives Blades the security of being able to get their money back if you are relegated and not having the burden of a high earner on the payroll. If Villa really wanted Archer and if Blades were relegated they could just activate the optional buyback clause

 

[Woodthorpe blade]

I'm currently in A & E. It's a sign

 

[Begley]

Are mandatory and obligation not the same thing?

They are the same. The usual wording is obligation or option.

 

[Begley]

do you think the premier league have stepped in here glyn ? this deal is very close to being a season long loan with this buy back option

If there isn't a ruling against it there will be very little the FA can do. They may not like it and they may change the rules for future transfers but they can't change the rules without following due process

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Everything was on, some legal stuff with contracts and both clubs are trying to iron out the technicalities. A very not straight forward deal with many variables due to a buy back clause which sounds like it was NOT fully agreed after all. And not legal (epl rules) either apparently! Bit of a mess but still looks to be on for all party’s.

do you think the premier league have stepped in here glyn ? this deal is very close to being a season long loan with this buy back option

We're on tenterhooks here, Glyn.
What's going on?!

 

[Pollingtonblade]

After the Covid and Climate experts, contract law experts incoming

 

[chesblade]

A player must be registered by 12 noon on the working day before game to be eligible to play. There is nothing complicated about that. The only thing that complicates it is our fans failing to grasp a very simple point.

Must be behind the time's then as I'm sure people in all businesses work Saturday, the day before our game

 

[Westran]

Must be behind the time's then as I'm sure people in all businesses work Saturday, the day before our game

I work for a large organisation and we only have certain staff working Saturdays, most work Monday to Friday, probably same at the FA/EPL.

 

[Nick Jansky]

After the Covid and Climate experts, contract law experts incoming

I’m absolutely not one. But I am an expert in tax law, where there is a concept of “substance over form”. In other words, if what actually happened isn’t what was written into contracts etc. HMRC can ignore the paperwork and impose tax according to the actual events that took place.

So, my concern is whether something similar might exist in this case, because it looks to me like a loan dressed up to be something else. But it’s not my area of expertise so I haven’t a clue.

 

[HarryHaslam]

How's that

How's the world's longest medical going?

It's absolutely at the Villa end. There's a really worrying trend with clubs adding a buy back clause, but what Villa were asking was a silly amount. Let's hope they can earn their salt and iron out a decent deal for both clubs

Mentioned you a bit further up. Looks like you were right after all that there is a problem Villas end with the buy back. Spot on

As you say hopefully it can all be ironed out soon.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Most office jobs don't work weekends mate, and never have done.

 

[Shawy24]

It is widely reported that the hold up is at the Villa end. I would say that Bettis and co. Have done a good job to provide us with a good option to buy / loan or use one of the best strikers available to us for this season.

Good I hope that is correct. But I’d like a little more evidence thanks.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Name some specific things that the club’s legal advisers have fucked since Bettis has been here.

Animal, vegetable, or mineral?

 

[Superblades]

What the fuck are you talking about?

God help us if Archer gives away a pen for handball in the last match.