CONFIRMED Cameron Archer signs for the Blades - 4 year contract

[SufcBilly]

Mentioned you a bit further up. Looks like you were right after all that there is a problem Villas end with the buy back. Spot on

As you say hopefully it can all be ironed out soon.

There is no issue with the buyback

 

[chesblade]

I work for a large organisation and we only have certain staff working Saturdays, most work Monday to Friday, probably same at the FA/EPL.

You would think though when games can be played on any day then the organisation should work on a 7 day basis with always someone available to deal with this. Most places now are working 7 days a week wether we like it or not

 

[Begley]

I’m absolutely not one. But I am an expert in tax law, where there is a concept of “substance over form”. In other words, if what actually happened isn’t what was written into contracts etc. HMRC can ignore the paperwork and impose tax according to the actual events that took place.

So, my concern is whether something similar might exist in this case, because it looks to me like a loan dressed up to be something else. But it’s not my area of expertise so I haven’t a clue.

It is an interesting one as it does look like a loan dressed up as a sale to help Villa dodge FFP. However, it requires Blades to be relegated for that to happen which is not guaranteed which makes me think that it will go through. Buyback clauses are standard enough, and Blades can presumably legitimately claim that having an obligation on Villa to purchase Archer in the event of relegation is simply smart business and they are reducing the risk to the club

 

[Shawy24]

Once again, you are talking about things that you are completely clueless about.

But let’s humour you. Name some specific things that the club’s legal advisers have fucked since Bettis has been here.

Ooh touched a nerve. Who are the clubs “legal advisers”

 

[paidsy]

Bedsheet sales through the roof in Sheffield this week.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Most office jobs don't work weekends mate, and never have done.

You’re right there, but with flexibility of working these days all 7 days can be covered.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Ooh touched a nerve. Who are the clubs “legal advisers”

If you are accusing them of fucking up I assume you would know that.

But, for the record, I have no connection to them if that’s what you’re hinting at.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Definitely THE FINEST THREAD EVER on here.
I've called my relations to say THANK YOU
for being around at such a joyous occasion.

I'll be having a night off after discovering this thread.
Nothing can beat it.

 

[Shawy24]

Its best that this had come to light now, because if ut went through and we played him, we would be getting a hefty punishment. And the Premier league would love to shit on the Blades again

But but but you’re apparently a comedy poster!

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Some people on this thread still wet the bed I’m sure.

 

[SufcBilly]

Its best that this had come to light now, because if ut went through and we played him, we would be getting a hefty punishment. And the Premier league would love to shit on the Blades again

Hefty punishment for what? The transfer is completely kosher

 

[Yoonited]

OK, not get them relegated but can see players not busting a gut knowing what's available no matter what the outcome.

Perhaps,but only with cynical suspicious minds

 

[HarryHaslam]

There is no issue with the buyback

No offence mate but that’s just your opinion. If I went on peoples opinion who post on such matters that would have you believe it’s fact he would have signed by mow. He hasn’t and only person I’ve seen say there was a problem, and at Villas end is Lupa. Seems he knew more than ITKs on the thread.

Whether it’s buyback or just his contract fingers crossed Villa smarten themselves up soon.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Arrow on route biscuits.

 

[Harrisblade]

You would think though when games can be played on any day then the organisation should work on a 7 day basis with always someone available to deal with this. Most places now are working 7 days a week wether we like it or not

Certainly was the case during the Tevez situation when PL CEO Richard Scudamore made himself available 24 hours a day - TO HELP WEST HAM with their difficulties

 

[SufcBilly]

No offence mate but that’s just your opinion. If I went on peoples opinion who post on such matters that would have you believe it’s fact he would have signed by mow. He hasn’t and only person I’ve seen say there was a problem, and at Villas end is Lupa. Seems he knew more than ITKs on the thread.

Whether it’s buyback or just his contract fingers crossed Villa smarten themselves up soon.

It’s his contract, there is no issue or problems it’s just not agreed yet, just like when we give someone a new contract or sign someone the contract isn’t agreed on the first offer. Absolutely nothing to do with any Prem interference or anything like that, just as simple as his Villa contract isn’t agreed

 

[HarryHaslam]

It’s his contract, there is no issue or problems it’s just not agreed yet, just like when we give someone a new contract or sign someone the contract isn’t agreed on the first offer. Absolutely nothing to do with any Prem interference or anything like that, just as simple as his Villa contract isn’t agreed

As I said, Lupa posted there was a problem and he said it was at Villas end. He was ridiculed abit for it. He’s more itk than anyone else on this thread as far as I can see as it was all done so they reckoned. Can’t be all done if it’s not all done regardless who is to blame

 

[Rudders]

Some people on this thread still wet the bed I’m sure.

But at least they do it quickly!

 

[Nick Jansky]

It is an interesting one as it does look like a loan dressed up as a sale to help Villa dodge FFP. However, it requires Blades to be relegated for that to happen which is not guaranteed which makes me think that it will go through. Buyback clauses are standard enough, and Blades can presumably legitimately claim that having an obligation on Villa to purchase Archer in the event of relegation is simply smart business and they are reducing the risk to the club

I’m not sure. It’s the obligation that concerns me. If a specified event occurs then it is guaranteed. So it could be construed as a loan if we are relegated but a sale if we are not. Sean Thornton can confirm, but I would have thought Villa’s accounts would need to include the buy back as a contingent liability?

You are right, it’s an interesting one & also very tricky.

 

[Addison]

Are mandatory and obligation not the same thing?

Mandatory implies you have to do something because you are commanded to do it. In this instance the drawing up of a contract that states it must be done. Obligatory implies you have to do something but are not ordered to do it. For instance an agreement in principle by the player that he would move back to Villa but not mandated to return on relegation. The relegation clause is the problem its mandatory and the question is does this contravene existing EPL rules as previous buy back clauses have been dealt with on an obligatory basis.

 

[SufcBilly]

Can’t be all done if it’s not all done regardless who is to blame

That’s a fair comment, but to be pedantic he said the deal was off not that there was a hold up

 

[MobileBlade]

Just on about the registration details, I think a much fairer system would be to register for all games before a block of fixtures. For instance this weekend is week 3 so all registrations had to be by 12 noon today.

That would be fair for those playing tonight against everyone over the rest of the weekend.

It would also mean that when a game is postponed such as Luton v Burnley last weekend, only those available at 12 noon on the Friday before the original date could play. If they sell anyone ahead of the rearrangement that is their problem!

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

It really is far more complicated than it need be. But that’s the English football authorities for you.

It's lunchtime on the working day before the game. Can't really be any easier.

 

[FredZeppelin]

Could we like, you know ......'backdate' the signing to 9am today if it gets done in the next 24 hours or so?
I've heard that this kind of thing has been done in the past and the FA just ignore it and take it on trust.
Hecky is a well known win-up merchant in his press conferences, too.
What can go wrong?
utb

 

[Geordie Blade]

I could have existed at any time in history. Or maybe never existed, but for a specific billions-to-one combination of events. Perhaps the essence of my soul would have stayed, suspended in nothingness for all eternity.

But I’m glad that I lived in a time when I got to see the “Archer signs” joke picture. It’s enough to make one weep with joy, just being here.

 

[Tartanblade]

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[Shawy24]

If you are accusing them of fucking up I assume you would know that.

But, for the record, I have no connection to them if that’s what you’re hinting at.

Precisely where do the words “fucking up” appear in the post and in addition an implication of a fuck up? The implication is that in complex issues such as these ( as you will so readily acknowledge from your tax law expertise) SUFC at basic ground level does not seem to have the ability to agree and close a watertight deal in a reasonable time frame. Now it might be a problem from other parties, but please excuse me for having what seems to be a well founded doubts about the time taken for this to go through bearing in mind all the bollocks from the club mouthpieces. I repeat. Who are the club’s advisers. You seem to know.

 

[ThatJa]

"It's out of my hands, I don't know. It's pointless me saying it's not happening. I hope it's happening. I would have loved and Cameron would have loved to be involved on Sunday, but we haven't done it yet.

Bit of a weird comment to make..

 

[Begley]

I’m not sure. It’s the obligation that concerns me. If a specified event occurs then it is guaranteed. So it could be construed as a loan if we are relegated but a sale if we are not. Sean Thornton can confirm, but I would have thought Villa’s accounts would need to include the buy back as a contingent liability?

You are right, it’s an interesting one & also very tricky.

Its funny if it is deemed that is would be considered a loan if Blades are relegated. Would that prevent Villa registering an profit on the sale in this accounting year just in case Blades go down and would that mean Archer would not be able to play against Villa this season just in case? Lots of use cases to consider

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Mrs says its confirmed on RS,I don't believe a thing she says.