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Some football fans have obsessive & completist character traits. They have to have them all. Shirts. Programmes. Ticket stubs. Teamsheets. Games. You see the same traits in some music fans. I do not know how unusual that is. But, among the limited number of United fans I know, it is quite common. That is the circle I am in. I don't go to all the games. Never have. But, I travel to some away games on a privately organised supporters coach.
I'd estimate that at least half (say two dozen) fans on the coach would routinely, matter of factly, quietly, with no trumpets, go to every game in a season, all competitions, all venues. I know there are other privately organised away coaches. And my feeling is many of their customers also have the same simple organised completist approach to attending every game.
Yes, many of them will keep lists. Games attended. Beers drunk. Grounds ticked. That is part of their obsessive make up.
I'm trying to make the point that attending 46/46 (or similar) is not always a Bigger Blade Swinging Contest. For some people it's simply - what they do. They don't "look down" on people who can't attend games. And, they don't expect recognition from others. It's just - what they do.
I'm like the pigs being relegated from prem league. All my away games were done before loyalty points.So, the argument is developing that it is better NOT to go to games...
Agree!Best post I’ve seen on this subject in years. The last two sentences are golden too, in this day and age.
So true. I began going away games on my own at 15 years old (6 years ago) and I can count on 1 hand how many games I’ve missed since 2017 (obviously discounting covid)Some football fans have obsessive & completist character traits. They have to have them all. Shirts. Programmes. Ticket stubs. Teamsheets. Games. You see the same traits in some music fans. I do not know how unusual that is. But, among the limited number of United fans I know, it is quite common. That is the circle I am in. I don't go to all the games. Never have. But, I travel to some away games on a privately organised supporters coach.
I'd estimate that at least half (say two dozen) fans on the coach would routinely, matter of factly, quietly, with no trumpets, go to every game in a season, all competitions, all venues. I know there are other privately organised away coaches. And my feeling is many of their customers also have the same simple organised completist approach to attending every game.
Yes, many of them will keep lists. Games attended. Beers drunk. Grounds ticked. That is part of their obsessive make up.
I'm trying to make the point that attending 46/46 (or similar) is not always a Bigger Blade Swinging Contest. For some people it's simply - what they do. They don't "look down" on people who can't attend games. And, they don't expect recognition from others. It's just - what they do.
Pommpey,you crease me mate,you really do...I think that's the general idea Woolford
pommpey
For someone who doesn’t care how many games people go to, you’ve posted a lot on a thread about how many games people go to.Not from me it aint.
I don't give a fat fuck how many games anyone went to. It is totally irrelevant. I'd say 'well done' to anyone who managed all 46, but that disqualifies anyone who went to 45 ... 44 ... and so on. Being at the game is great, but it's simply one method of being involved with United and at a distinct advantage of those geographically placed and/or with the free time and finance to fulfil that commitment. Not having any of that does not denude you as a supporter and with wearying regularity, some on here just don't get that.
pommpey
For someone who doesn’t care how many games people go to, you’ve posted a lot on a thread about how many games people go to.
Haha Jesus mate, you’re really overreacting here. It’s just a forum, only a bit of fun. I can read though - I’m a professional writer and qualified journalist you’ll be delighted to know, so I’d imagine I can at least compete with you and your polemics of dubious talent and repute.Again, you have a real problem in looking at words, transposing them into logic and assimilating meaning from the text. Grown ups call it 'reading'. You might need to go fetch someone in your household to help form the ideas and concepts and mouth the phonemics as you trace every word with your finger.
I don't give a fuck how many games you have been to. (if your mum is reading this with you I hope she can help with a sketch)
Going to games, whilst nice, isn't an essential qualification to hold an opinion on the game you've watched. Now I know your attention span is waning now and you're possibly playing with your testicles through your pocket or scratching your anal opening and sniffing your fingers ... maybe even tasting them ... but mum ... just give this cunt a rusk and fuck him off to bo-boes. School in the morning.
pommpey
This Pomps, born in Jessops hospital, attended games every week when there was still a cricket pitch alongside. Moved to Kent due to my fathers job when I was 9. Visited my Nan in Eccleshall when I was old enough and walked to the ground. Now based in deepest Cornwall and so limited in when I can visit. But nephew still in the promised land can occasionally get me a ticket. Born a Blade, always a Blade and will die as a Blade. If that isn’t enough for some on here, sorry, its the best I can do.Not from me it aint.
I don't give a fat fuck how many games anyone went to. It is totally irrelevant. I'd say 'well done' to anyone who managed all 46, but that disqualifies anyone who went to 45 ... 44 ... and so on. Being at the game is great, but it's simply one method of being involved with United and at a distinct advantage of those geographically placed and/or with the free time and finance to fulfil that commitment. Not having any of that does not denude you as a supporter and with wearying regularity, some on here just don't get that.
pommpey
Born a Blade, always a Blade and will die as a Blade. If that isn’t enough for some on here, sorry, its the best I can do.
This is also comfortably the weirdest post I’ve read on this forum. And that is saying something.you're possibly playing with your testicles through your pocket or scratching your anal opening and sniffing your fingers ... maybe even tasting them ...
Aye but there are consequencesThat is an interesting angle for the discussion. I am both deeply analytical and wildly romantic/doe-eyed.
The stadium is infinitely preferable to the sofa because it adds non-footballing flavour. People, sounds, things to smile about, unexpected feelings.
When I watch football, I constantly do so with an analytical mindset. But if United play, there is a second layer of what I simply call affection/love and a sense of belonging. This second layer means that I always love watching us in a ground with mates and strangers irrespective of result or performance. I can see if players are misused or having a mare, but it takes weeks of poor performances for me to start disliking any players personally. Or some stand-out feature I generally dislike in people which is quite rare (I am looking at you, Tony McMahon).
All of that means that United always make me feel happier for watching them than if i miss a match. Even Wigan at home in 2007 left me sad rather than angry. And as the whistle went, I still knew that I had witnessed something existential at first hand in the way it was meant to be watched.
Watching on TV (or playing Man City, it must be said) kind of removes the touchy-feely level of childlike glee just by being there. It's far more often that I think "God, are we hopeless" on TV than I do in the ground. It's more often that a TV match leaves me kind of annoyed. The pure analysis that I always do (I am - after all - the voice of reason ) is more painful without the atmospherics of being at the perfect place at the perfect time.
TV football is far more of a commodity. It can be paused or re-watched. The meaning you bring yourself, the surprises, the inexplicable observations, hunches, the context, the joy of seeing others being far more disappointed, irate or dick-headish than you are, all isn't there.
Assuming that some of this is universal rather than my personal quirks, hints at a disconnection in this discussion: I often view Pommpey to be over-critical and far too personal, as if United owe him a certain standard of performances rather than their mere existence. United exist therefore I love them.
If I watch on TV, I find myself agreeing with the gist of My Takes more than if I was in the ground. The same applies to general discussions of players or the negativity on the board after any defeats.
So being in the ground clearly does not give me a more valid or superior opinion. That would be bullshit. But at least for me, it mellows me out, makes me more forgiving and more likely to be protective of the team when people frame their observations or judgments in emotive or incendiary tones ("X is wank", "Y is a wage thief" or the like).
So what has pommpey done wrong? I think you're bringing into play two separate things here: (i)the number of games that people go to and (ii) the extent to which someone might write about this. Seems reasonable to me but maybe you were trying (and failing) to be ironic?For someone who doesn’t care how many games people go to, you’ve posted a lot on a thread about how many games people go to.
I just don’t see why he’s chucking mardy, bordering on aggressive, sometimes just plain creepy, posts up constantly on a topic he claims not to care about. Why doesn’t he just scroll past it?So what has pommpey done wrong? I think you're bringing into play two separate things here: (i)the number of games that people go to and (ii) the extent to which someone might write about this. Seems reasonable to me but maybe you were trying (and failing) to be ironic?
Strong “old man yells at cloud” vibes here.
So what has pommpey done wrong? I think you're bringing into play two separate things here: (i)the number of games that people go to and (ii) the extent to which someone might write about this. Seems reasonable to me but maybe you were trying (and failing) to be ironic?
Well I can’t say I agree with all of that, but you’ve done a fine job of explaining your point. We do, as it happens, strongly agree on Berge.Strong 'hack misses point' vibes back at you.
To amplify - I've spent some time issuing a series of hopefully entertaining and debate provoking post match assessments which given the broad response have proven popular. I am however targeted by a small clique of rather spiteful, score-setting posters who nominally have fuck-all to say about the game, be they fucking lazy, or fucking bone headed or a bit from column 'a' and column 'b'. Their usual counter to any assessments I make is that my view from my sofa holds far less than their view from the stand. They don't offer much back as an argument mind ... just a broad narrative that they've paid cash to sit in a single view plastic seat so whatever I saw on several cameras or in slow motion for the subscription fee I paid is inconsequential and that they, simply on attendance alone, are far more worthy supporters and therefore witnesses to the spectacle. Whilst, over the years i have managed to either say 'prove it' (which they can't) or give their own account from the pitchside seats on the edge of the kop (which they can't) still they persist. And now this disease has spread like non-specific urethritis to some of S24SU's more luminary and supposedly well-respected posters as they pass a certain age threshold of senility. Rather than scroll past when they see me give Berge a four or even bring it upon themselves to challenge it with evidence (some other posters do this to their credit by the way) by the end of a long successful season they choose to sustain their wankerdom and instead of discussing football, they want to discuss me - and usually my attendance and Bladeyness which is obviously not and Billy Big as theirs. Once again. And I also get called a narcissist too. With them ... discussing, or highlighting me. No idea on that one.
So, it's not 'old man yelling at cloud' as much as it's me parachuting into SIlent's thread and turning it into a tiresome shitfest of bickering and cuntish sniping, simply because he did the same to my final Take. If he'd let me be ... you and I wouldn't be having this conversation on page seven of this thread.
Hope this helps
pommpey
I'm not sure you understand what I was saying in my previous post however I don't want to sidetrack you from your spat with pommpey so I'll bid you goodnight.I just don’t see why he’s chucking mardy, bordering on aggressive, sometimes just plain creepy, posts up constantly on a topic he claims not to care about. Why doesn’t he just scroll past it?
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pommpey
Well I can’t say I agree with all of that, but you’ve done a fine job of explaining your point. We do, as it happens, strongly agree on Berge.
And I am very good at missing the point, it’s part of the training
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