Realistic targets for next season.

[Balti Pie]

If he was 21 maybe. He's approaching 30. If we pay a few million for him we've lost the plot.

Toney is 27, only 2 years younger than JCH.
He'd never done it higher than L1 level either, but he's setting the Premier League alight and is in the England squad now.
Of course it's a gamble, but that's the pool we are fishing in.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Woodman (GK) - Preston
Dasilva (DF) - Bristol city
Ronnie edwards (DF) - Peterborough
Latibeaudiere/cabango (DF) - Swansea
Wharton (MF) - Blackburn
George hall (MF) - Birmingham
Molumby (MF) - WBA
Dan Neil (MF) - Sunderland
Hamer (MF) - Coventry
Sam Bell (ST) - Bristol city
Tommy Conway (ST) - Bristol city
Piroe (ST) - Swansea

And a left field one but ayase ueda, japanese striker at cercle Brugge - 23 years old

My fav of all of those.

 

[brownblade]

Toney is 27, only 2 years younger than JCH.
He'd never done it higher than L1 level either, but he's setting the Premier League alight and is in the England squad now.
Of course it's a gamble, but that's the pool we are fishing in.

Brentford signed Toney just after his 24th birthday, while they were in the Championship.

JCH isn't terrible, but he might struggle to even get a kick in the Premier League.

I don't mean to be annoying, I just strongly disagree with this particular suggestion.

 

[Swannyblade]

Let's sign that Paul Mullin player for the LOLZ.

We could tempt him with some Woody Guthrie style custom footwear - These boots kick fascist tories.

 

[Scarebus]

Hi Stegosaurus here,

We need a lot of new players because our current crop are older and shittier than they were last time in the Prem, or just aren't good enough.

Ideally we need a new goalkeeper to replace League 1 Wes, a new crop of defenders to replace Enda (past it), Egan (past it), Bash (past it), Lowe (shit), Bogle (shit) and Robinson (shit). A new pair of midfielders to replace Fleck and Norwood (past it) and new strikers to replace Sharp (past it), McBurnie and Brewster (not good enough for the prem). Some of them--McBurnie, could be Ok as backup.

But overall, the squad needs a complete overhaul.

Quality post. As always.

 

[mattbianco1]

Toney is 27, only 2 years younger than JCH.
He'd never done it higher than L1 level either, but he's setting the Premier League alight and is in the England squad now.
Of course it's a gamble, but that's the pool we are fishing in.

Yeah but Clarke-Harris has played 4x seasons in the Championship and scored 21 goals

Toney has played 1x season in the Championship and scored 35 !!

 

[Nicesheffielder]

Three left footed defenders/midfield.
We have no cover/first choice at LCB and possibly nothing good enough at LWB. Then there is the problem that is Fleck.

What problem with Fleck??? He should be looking for a new club ffs

Three left footed defenders/midfield.
We have no cover/first choice at LCB and possibly nothing good enough at LWB. Then there is the problem that is Fleck.

There's no problem with Fleck ????He should be looking for a new club ffs time for him and a fair few other to move on no place or MONEY for sentiment

 

[mattbianco1]

There's no problem with Fleck ????He should be looking for a new club ffs

I'm sure that's what Snowflake is suggesting

 

[Balti Pie]

Yeah but Clarke-Harris has played 4x seasons in the Championship and scored 21 goals

Toney has played 1x season in the Championship and scored 35 !!

Fair dos - it would seem I'm in the minority on this one.
I maintain that we will not be in for anyone who's established themselves in the Championship though (likely to cost north of £15m), or anyone on the fringes of a Premier League team (likely to be on obscene wages).
We have comparatively little money to spend, and we will need to gamble on untried lower league players with potential, or obscure signings from overseas. I'd still take JCH as a more athletic and cheaper alternative to Billy, as I don't think Bill would even get a touch of the ball next year, as much as I love him.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

JCH struggled in the champ with posh so no thanks

 

[Carlton Blade]

Toney is 27, only 2 years younger than JCH.
He'd never done it higher than L1 level either, but he's setting the Premier League alight and is in the England squad now.
Of course it's a gamble, but that's the pool we are fishing in.

Toney scored 30 goals in a Championship season before he ever played a PL game. He's also, at worst aa ridiculously good target man and a plus athlete. JCH is a good finisher who looks a bit fat

 

[Carlton Blade]

Let's sign that Paul Mullin player for the LOLZ.

We could tempt him with some Woody Guthrie style custom footwear - These boots kick fascist tories.

Genuinely, Paul Mullin would be a better signing for United than Clarke-Harris.

 

[Swannyblade]

Genuinely, Paul Mullin would be a better signing for United than Clarke-Harris.

I agree, but don't believe we should actually sign him (even though he is an awkward, tricky bugger to play against). Clarke-Harris is nowhere near the same quality as Toney - it's a lazy suggestion from people who have seen Peterborough + lots of goals in League 1 must = Toney.
If there was another Toney or Ollie Watkins in League 1 I'd be fully on board but I don't believe there is at the moment.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I agree, but don't believe we should actually sign him (even though he is an awkward, tricky bugger to play against). Clarke-Harris is nowhere near the same quality as Toney - it's a lazy suggestion from people who have seen Peterborough + lots of goals in League 1 must = Toney.
If there was another Toney or Ollie Watkins in League 1 I'd be fully on board but I don't believe there is at the moment.

I 100% agree. Mullin as a late sub to run around and be a pest would be fine but you don't want him actually playing. The top scorers in the lower leagues the last few seasons have mostly been 30+ year olds

 

[SB_90]

its going to be tough recruitment as if we spend more 30/35m i would be surprised. because the rumours are we still have to pay off mcburnie, brewster & berge appartantly so thats likely 40m of our money already spent

its going to be very much like wilder championship season, that if we are buying domestic players i can see it fitting the bill of great players that are out of favour at clubs, like we did with henderson, norwood, egan & mcgoldrick. Coady is great shout that people have suggested if we get him for a few million. but it will probally be some foreign scouted players like anel & berge that i havent heard of. because there is just more value because the domestic market is absoultely ridiculous the fact that MGW went for a fee that could exceed 40m says it all

if we wanted akbom, archer, coventry bloke i wont even try to spell your talking 15m. then your getting into mcburnie terriorty whether they could make the step up

 

[bottyblade]

Without knowing who will own us and what the transfer kitty will be next season who would you consider attainable and sensible targets.

I see us needing a couple of strikers as McB/Sharp?Brewster cannot be relied on to score the goals we will need. Osula and Jebbo are raw talent but not the finished article yet by a way.


If Illy and Sander stay I'd say we need a McAtee and a Doyle be it them or simillar.

Defensively we aren't too bad IMO.

Seems to me the best sources are those 3 going down from the prem and those missing out through the play offs or falling short of making them.

Youth, pace, and ambition are IMO very important.
Just hope we aren't left chasing shadows in July because the ownership issue and budget isn't resolved.

Many on here have a far better knowledge of the merits of attainable targets than me, but Archer/Ackpo at Boro seem worth consideration.

Interested in others picks.

Eiran Cashin (Derby), Charlie Patino (Arsenal, on loan at Blackpool) plus a fit and interested version of Lyss Mousset.

 

[FTPE]

Nice to see we're still pretending that Berge will be better against better opposition.

Makes absolute sense that he was largely anonymous in the Championship and he'll be good in the Premier League despite being anonymous in that too last time.

Only in S2.

He was our best player against City I suppose, gets very good reviews when he plays internationally (we know what Norway's manager keeps telling him) and in interviews he admits that a lot of the Championship game doesn't suit his.
So people aren't completely clutching at straws.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Woodman (GK) - Preston
Dasilva (DF) - Bristol city
Ronnie edwards (DF) - Peterborough
Latibeaudiere/cabango (DF) - Swansea
Wharton (MF) - Blackburn
George hall (MF) - Birmingham
Molumby (MF) - WBA
Dan Neil (MF) - Sunderland
Hamer (MF) - Coventry
Sam Bell (ST) - Bristol city
Tommy Conway (ST) - Bristol city
Piroe (ST) - Swansea

And a left field one but ayase ueda, japanese striker at cercle Brugge - 23 years old

Basically a championship team full of no PL experience then?

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Has Gyokeres had a mention? Looks a quality player. Plus, he would be ideal for our fans as a boo boy at the end of the season to rival McBurnie (scored a hatful in Championship but somehow finds it tougher in Premier League). Nice to share the targeted hate around the squad.

Ah yeah let's find a way to dig at fans hey

 

[Mouth of the South]

Woodman (GK) - Preston
Dasilva (DF) - Bristol city
Ronnie edwards (DF) - Peterborough
Latibeaudiere/cabango (DF) - Swansea
Wharton (MF) - Blackburn
George hall (MF) - Birmingham
Molumby (MF) - WBA
Dan Neil (MF) - Sunderland
Hamer (MF) - Coventry
Sam Bell (ST) - Bristol city
Tommy Conway (ST) - Bristol city
Piroe (ST) - Swansea

And a left field one but ayase ueda, japanese striker at cercle Brugge - 23 years old

Very English league (Champ) focussed - are you Chris Wilder??

 

[Stu_Blade]

With our recent preseason trips to Portugal you do wonder if there is any opportunities for scouting or at least having a go at signing. The downside is the release clauses that they seem to whack in from having a pick out of thin air. Taremi is £52 million & Pote is £67million so clearly not looking at that end of the spectrum even LCB Morato has a £87million release clause! Although getting on a bit now Luis Neto fits the LCB role not quite sure the pace though.

In the Portuguese Premier League Fran Navarro had a good season scoring 14 from 31 and ranked 5th in the goalscoring charts in Portugal. Downside is it hasn't gone unnoticed on the continent and Porto snapped him up in March for what seems a very reasonable £6million plus add ons.

Although the "United World" concept in theory is a good one we are yet to really see any benefit from it in terms of bringing players through to the first team. The Portugal training camps can easily provide agents with an opportunity to present the club and us likewise to look at business across the leagues.

It is difficult to say how good the 2nd tier of Portuguese football is however when you look at that league, one player stands out straight away André Clóvis he has been on loan this season to the 2nd tier from the 1st and scored 25 in 31.
Including this beauty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NscA-L6sviw Still only 25 with contract tops of a year he hasn't been expensive in the past with cheap wages. Whether he could make the step up to the Premiership is the issue however he is 6ft 1 and does seem to hold the ball up well and knows where the net is.

We should definitely be looking to increase our presence when we go to preseason abroad as although in the past "warm weather" training was the reason this isn't the situation any more as we were hitting 40c last summer in the UK! Networking should be key.

 

[Stu_Blade]

With our recent preseason trips to Portugal you do wonder if there is any opportunities for scouting or at least having a go at signing. The downside is the release clauses that they seem to whack in from having a pick out of thin air. Taremi is £52 million & Pote is £67million so clearly not looking at that end of the spectrum even LCB Morato has a £87million release clause! Although getting on a bit now Luis Neto fits the LCB role not quite sure the pace though.

In the Portuguese Premier League Fran Navarro had a good season scoring 14 from 31 and ranked 5th in the goalscoring charts in Portugal. Downside is it hasn't gone unnoticed on the continent and Porto snapped him up in March for what seems a very reasonable £6million plus add ons.

Although the "United World" concept in theory is a good one we are yet to really see any benefit from it in terms of bringing players through to the first team. The Portugal training camps can easily provide agents with an opportunity to present the club and us likewise to look at business across the leagues.

It is difficult to say how good the 2nd tier of Portuguese football is however when you look at that league, one player stands out straight away André Clóvis he has been on loan this season to the 2nd tier from the 1st and scored 25 in 31.
Including this beauty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NscA-L6sviw Still only 25 with contract tops of a year he hasn't been expensive in the past with cheap wages. Whether he could make the step up to the Premiership is the issue however he is 6ft 1 and does seem to hold the ball up well and knows where the net is.

We should definitely be looking to increase our presence when we go to preseason abroad as although in the past "warm weather" training was the reason this isn't the situation any more as we were hitting 40c last summer in the UK! Networking should be key.

More montage of Clovis here

 

[s20Blade]

I'd settle for some unknown foreign talent to cross our fingers with like Anel, anyone we know or might have slightly heard of will be 25m+ based on previous experience.

 

[Bookers Mullet]

Let's do some maths here:

• Market currently has us at effectively 50/50 to stay up next season, based on the scientific approach of looking at one bookmaker's prices. Granted, those odds will bake in some risk that we sell Ndiaye, but I'm going to work on the assumption that they're pricing based on us not selling
• If we sell Ndiaye, our attacking threat plummets drastically, and ergo our chances of survival
• Staying up would net an additional £100 million minimum

I'll ask you the questions:

a) How much do you think our chances of staying up, in percentage terms, would be hit by selling Ndiaye?
b) How much do you think we would get in millions if we sold Ndiaye?
c) If a is greater than b, how stupid is the club to sell?

I don't want us to sell, and ultimately I don't think we will, but i'm not putting it beyond some club to offer silly money

 

[jt64]

I don't want us to sell, and ultimately I don't think we will, but i'm not putting it beyond some club to offer silly money

I wouldn't put it some club either. The point I'm trying to make, which I think you're agreeing with, is that it would need to be really silly money for us to even consider it, even if it results in Ndiaye going for a free at the end of the season in the event he bizarrely doesn't accept a carefully set out contract extension

 

[Snowflake]

What problem with Fleck??? He should be looking for a new club ffs

There's no problem with Fleck ????He should be looking for a new club ffs time for him and a fair few other to move on no place or MONEY for sentiment

The problem is we need to replace him as well as finding four players to cover this season’s loans.

 

[Ralph Blade]

Keep Ndiaye at all costs
Two of Doyle, McAtee or Archer on loan
Conor Coady can’t get a start to a game at Everton atm
After an uncertain start to Prem football, Nkamba improved and has done well for Luton so I would take a punt on him.
If Leicester go down could we get Harvey Barnes?

 

[Bladey_blade]

After Folarin Baloguns season in France, if he's isn't in Arsenal's plans could be one to try for

 

[Welshblade]

Toney is 27, only 2 years younger than JCH.
He'd never done it higher than L1 level either, but he's setting the Premier League alight and is in the England squad now.
Of course it's a gamble, but that's the pool we are fishing in.

Brentford have access to specialised statistics on players created by their owner which he used to make his millions by betting on foot all games. He now uses it to money ball.

Toney, Watkins, Benrama and Maupay are all a result of it, tried, tested and proven.

We don't have this programme sadly, so don't think we can compare any of our punts on lower league players to Brentford's recruitment.

Same goes for Brighton, their owner made millions with a programme he disgned for betting on football games and that has proven to be very effective this season with all the young talent they have picked up.

I would not be against trying to either find an owner who has made their money along similar means and wants to try it with building a squad or heavily investing the prem money in analysts that can helps us recruite gems for years to come so we can money ball too and become a sustainable club, which we apparently are not at the minute.

 

[NateDogg]

Brentford have access to specialised statistics on players created by their owner which he used to make his millions by betting on foot all games. He now uses it to money ball.

Toney, Watkins, Benrama and Maupay are all a result of it, tried, tested and proven.

We don't have this programme sadly, so don't think we can compare any of our punts on lower league players to Brentford's recruitment.

Same goes for Brighton, their owner made millions with a programme he disgned for betting on football games and that has proven to be very effective this season with all the young talent they have picked up.

I would not be against trying to either find an owner who has made their money along similar means and wants to try it with building a squad or heavily investing the prem money in analysts that can helps us recruite gems for years to come so we can money ball too and become a sustainable club, which we apparently are not at the minute.

Not disputing what you are saying but what gambling program helps identify good footballers for cheap?