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Exactly, it just makes the initial decision to get Jokanovic in utterly clueless on many levels.I won't say this is the most stupid decision I've ever seen a board make, as I've follow Untied for 30+ years, so I've seen plenty. However, I'm not sure why we ever went for Jokanovic if we weren't prepared to finance him rebuilding the squad (which is clearly needed). I don't have a bit issue with sacking him, as recent performances have been hard to watch (lacking in effort and enthusiasm). I couldn't see him turning around with the players he had and he certainly wasn't going to get any money to spend to bring his own players in. We did though have time to plan and scour the market for our next manager and find the right fit (what is the font of all european football knowledge Jan van Winkel doing for us?). Instead we've Heckingbottom on 4-5 year deal, which is a statement of intent and an acceptance that we're aiming to be mediocre/poor for the foreseeable future. I wish him luck as I think we're really going to need it!!
You wanted Slav gone, you should be happy with this.
I agree mate. I was just trying to be polite in my description but you're right, it is complete idiocy. Completely uninspiring.They aren’t naive or in denial.
They are idiots.
Average manager in this league lasts a year and we give a 5 year deal. To someone already here. Who no one else was after.
Economic illiteracy.
WilderlessOn one hand I’m about as bored with our predicament / football as I can remember.
Then we appoint Heckinbottom and I realise it’s possible to increase the boredom.
We’re clearly potless - which was already obvious. We’ve just confirmed it.
Until we can rid ourselves of half this squad, these really are the wilderness years.
Just wonder how long it lasts ... should be a different approach on Sunday .... I hope?!The 4 or 5 year one.
As you say if you don't mind Hecky then that's fine but 5 years seems an awful long time.Is this a joke?
5 years?
This is a moronic decision.
it’s a moronic decision even if you think it’s a good appointment.
There’s a good chance he doesn’t last a year.
On one hand I’m about as bored with our predicament / football as I can remember.
Then we appoint Heckinbottom and I realise it’s possible to increase the boredom.
We’re clearly potless - which was already obvious. We’ve just confirmed it.
Until we can rid ourselves of half this squad, these really are the wilderness years.
Its unbelievable to give him a 4 and half year deal ! No wonder clubs have no money they are paying their managers off all the time , 2 years would be more sensible.As you say if you don't mind Hecky then that's fine but 5 years seems an awful long time.
Chris took us through 2 divisions and almost into Europe, got us relegated and even he didn't make 5 years.
I can only assume they are hoping he won't get us relegated and in the meantime this will be the time frame that will see us roll out a conveyer belt of Brunt, Seriki, Boyes, Lopata, Jebbison et al.
That is the only thing I can think of as to why 5 years. That is a massive leap of faith.
Supposed to have done that in the summer with Slav (I think)Club announcement also says further news to come about structure......
Hull City.Yep he deserves his chance, but I suspect PA will now spend the grand sum of next to nowt in the hope he manages to flog the club to anyone who comes along, if anyone comes along? That is my biggest worry. Selling is one thing, but who to is deeply concerning
There’s a degree of introspection needed from the fan base as well. Do we as punters want a possession based game? We seem to ask for it in times of trouble or at least we have during my time watching united but we are rarely happy watching it. I’m not saying united fans want hoof ball and percentage football either but we don’t seem to have the patience for real keep ball football. We’ve always been happiest in my experience watching high intensity football with direct players playing at a high tempo and getting after the opposition. I’m not saying any style is better than the other just that culturally that seems to be what appeals to us and therefore going forward that is perhaps what we should ask for in managerial appointments.In hindsight, Slav perhaps wasn't the right man to inherit the situation the club now appears to be in. That doesn't mean to say I don't rate Slav as a manager. I do, and I feel with backing, he would have made us a strong and competitive force in the division if not this season, then definitely the next. A real shame.
This is a great post mate. In all fairness, it seems the majority of teams at our level and above have an obsession with playing out from the back. It’s not just United - many teams in our league are playing a dangerous game in their own penalty area. Of course if you’ve got the quality on the ball in defence do it, it can be great if you invite the opposition to press a few men up, get around them and you take them out of the game, and you’ve gained 50 yards. It is high risk and it requires bravery, confidence and great ability to do it. No disrespect to our players or any others at our level, but they’re just not capable of doing it. If the pass isn’t on, or nobody wants it, we end up going long anyway.There’s a degree of introspection needed from the fan base as well. Do we as punters want a possession based game? We seem to ask for it in times of trouble or at least we have during my time watching united but we are rarely happy watching it. I’m not saying united fans want hoof ball and percentage football either but we don’t seem to have the patience for real keep ball football. We’ve always been happiest in my experience watching high intensity football with direct players playing at a high tempo and getting after the opposition. I’m not saying any style is better than the other just that culturally that seems to be what appeals to us and therefore going forward that is perhaps what we should ask for in managerial appointments.
I think the blend of high tempo aggressive football and retaining possession was probably achieved from a united point of view under wilder we got the ball up the pitch relatively quickly but were then capable of some neat intricate stuff especially in the promotion season. I just think perhaps we don’t have the appetite for the keep ball shift it across the back time and time again until a hole opens up type of game.This is a great post mate. In all fairness, it seems the majority of teams at our level and above have an obsession with playing out from the back. It’s not just United - many teams in our league are playing a dangerous game in their own penalty area. Of course if you’ve got the quality on the ball in defence do it, it can be great if you invite the opposition to press a few men up, get around them and you take them out of the game, and you’ve gained 50 yards. It is high risk and it requires bravery, confidence and great ability to do it. No disrespect to our players or any others at our level, but they’re just not capable of doing it. If the pass isn’t on, or nobody wants it, we end up going long anyway.
when it comes to style, I’ve always thought that we see some great goals scored from great passing moves, and a quality long ball can make a great goal too. I think the biggest difference in implementing a high pressure, intense pressing game is down to highest levels of fitness, and good organisation and awareness of defence and midfielders to take the risks. Man City vs PSG the other night was a prime example of this at the highest level. City play an incredibly high line, and if they didn’t have the fitness, the world class players who give them their quality in possession, they wouldn’t get away with dominating teams with possession every week like they do. Slavs Fulham team were a lesser example of this at our level a few years back, but they also had a very leaky defence, so they had to rely on outscoring the opposition to compensate for that. I just don’t think teams at our level can replicate that style.
yes your bang on with your post yogi the type of game slav was playing was a possesion based game but it was so slow sideways backwards football and wasnt exciting our fans im not an advocate of hoof ball either loved bassett but hated his style of football but it needs to be played positively with tempo and always looking for a forward pass im afraid we were spoilt for 4 years under chris wilderI think the blend of high tempo aggressive football and retaining possession was probably achieved from a united point of view under wilder we got the ball up the pitch relatively quickly but were then capable of some neat intricate stuff especially in the promotion season. I just think perhaps we don’t have the appetite for the keep ball shift it across the back time and time again until a hole opens up type of game.
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