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And the new owners might be looking at the fact they took the club over when we were in the top 2 averaging well over 2 points per game and on course for the 100 points that Burnley and Leeds achieved and they backed the incumbent manager that they obviously didn't want, and then sat and watched Burnley and Leeds pull away from us and then Sunderland beat us in the final, and they probably thought u know what we don't give a fuck about his passion, he's not one of our own we are American and we own the club and he's just failed to get us promoted and had 2 chances autos and playoffs, and they have probably worked out that u don't need a club records points total to get promoted and they have probably looked at the playing staff and think that the new manager can get this team up, they probably don't think there will be a dramatic points drop off with a new manager with the same players which I can understand and they will of course have factored in the variables of if there is can we still finish top 6 and go up, football owners are not fans they have no emotional tie to the club it's a business and they make business decisions based on results and targets being achieved, look at spurs with postecoglu awful season in the league but won a European trophy and in champions league next season, they were unlikely to finish top 4 and get in champs league from league positioning so to sack him there's an argument it was harsh same as wilder, but he failed in the league same as wilder whichever way you want to look at it and whichever positive spin you try and put, record points, 90, 92, whatever bottom line is we start next season in the same league we finished in and that's a failure for the board, they have chosen someone they believe can go to the next step yet all they are getting is wilderites stating how it's the worst decision appointment since weir /heath /adkins/Adams
If they 'obviously didn't want him' then why would they have immediately awarded him a 3 year contract?

There's so much shit spouted on here, why it's just like social media.

It's been a bonus that we've had a manager that supports the club, but I doubt anyone would want him to continue being manager just because of that and not because he's won us two promotions, one which he won the LMA for and nearly got us into Europe. Then 'wins' 92 points and was a whisker away from getting us up through he play-offs. Tell me about Selles' promotions and the times he won over 90 points or got his teams to Wembley. Oh that's right he kept Hull up and did quite well at Reading in League 1 for about 3 months. Yet people talk of Wilder's failure and Selles' success, but you don't want to hear about facts, it doesn't fit the agenda that Selles is a better manager than Wilder.

He's got a long way to go to be anywhere near.
 
that takes some beating. he managed what Rhol did got them 12th
success ,, if 49 points is success we are up shit street

we have got Billy McEwan 2.0
So a positive mindset only works when it suits 😁
 
that takes some beating. he managed what Rhol did got them 12th
success ,, if 49 points is success we are up shit street

we have got Billy McEwan 2.0

It's all relative isn't it.
Same as Gary Rowett finishing 17th with Oxford and John Eustace keeping Derby up.

49points was a success for his KPI's at Hull City, not Sheffield United.

I don't know why so many people are finding this hard to grasp?

Do you think Thomas Frank's KPI's will be the same at Tottenham as they were at Brentford?
 
Interestingly he's had three jobs in England, all at clubs in difficult circumstances, and all of which he seems to have handled rather well.

On the other hand every time that Wilder gets into difficult circumstances he seems to lose the plot, pass the buck, and disappear.

I wouldn't have complained if Wilder had stayed but I do think it's time for a change and am I'm quite happy with this one as you learn a lot more about managers when things aren't going well, than you do when they are, so relative success in difficult circumstances works for me.

Let's hope that my cautious optimism proves to be well founded.
 
Well he's unbeaten since he took over which is better than wilders record, ffs our fans at times, do you think when wilder gets a new job he will say I'm bringing knilly because he was with me when we lost 29 out of 38 in the Premier league and he stuck by me when we got beat 8-0, 6-0-5-0 twice and then lost a playoff final year after
Those results were Hecky's weren't they?
 
Selles will be expected to get this squad in the mix for promotion again. He wouldn't have been offered the job if he hadn't convinced the owners (whether directly or through their own analysis) that he could do it.
 
Selles will be expected to get this squad in the mix for promotion again. He wouldn't have been offered the job if he hadn't convinced the owners (whether directly or through their own analysis) that he could do it.
In the mix? We've been there year after year (or in prem) with Wilder and Hecky so why would we replace the manager to only achieve the same again. Surely he has committed to promotion?
 
It's all relative isn't it.
Same as Gary Rowett finishing 17th with Oxford and John Eustace keeping Derby up.

49points was a success for his KPI's at Hull City, not Sheffield United.

I don't know why so many people are finding this hard to grasp?

Do you think Thomas Frank's KPI's will be the same at Tottenham as they were at Brentford?
Don't come on here talking sense with all your American KPI talk, mattbianco1 it won't wash :p
 
In the mix? We've been there year after year (or in prem) with Wilder and Hecky so why would we replace the manager to only achieve the same again. Surely he has committed to promotion?

Fine. But the point I am making is that some on here are suggesting his measure of success will be lower mid table.
 
we will finnish top of the 2nd tier with this great spanish guy ruben sellas hes talks very well were amassive club he wants powerfull football hes positive hes a breath of fresh air he wants to win every game we play ,good luck ,forza blades ,,utb...
 

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If they 'obviously didn't want him' then why would they have immediately awarded him a 3 year contract?

There's so much shit spouted on here, why it's just like social media.

It's been a bonus that we've had a manager that supports the club, but I doubt anyone would want him to continue being manager just because of that and not because he's won us two promotions, one which he won the LMA for and nearly got us into Europe. Then 'wins' 92 points and was a whisker away from getting us up through he play-offs. Tell me about Selles' promotions and the times he won over 90 points or got his teams to Wembley. Oh that's right he kept Hull up and did quite well at Reading in League 1 for about 3 months. Yet people talk of Wilder's failure and Selles' success, but you don't want to hear about facts, it doesn't fit the agenda that Selles is a better manager than Wilder.

He's got a long way to go to be anywhere near.
I'm not disputing wilder has a better managerial record than Selles, I'm merely saying the owners took over when wilder was in charge and he was doing very well, if the takeover had happened this time last year he would have been gone, as it was they stuck with him, why rock the boat etc, they put trust in him to get us over the the line from a very strong position and he didn't so they fired him, had they got rid in December when they took over and we had finished 3rd and not gone up this place would be in absolute meltdown with everyone saying owners cost us promotion wilder would have won league and knocked farke out along the way, as it turn out the owners were willing to give him a chance and he failed
 

In the mix? We've been there year after year (or in prem) with Wilder and Hecky so why would we replace the manager to only achieve the same again. Surely he has committed to promotion?
Maybe he has, we don’t know, but I expect and would hope that his appointment is a part of the much needed long term development and modernisation of the club, not just about next season. Some patience and an ability to accept that there might be a bigger picture is needed by some.

I have no doubt that promotion will be wanted next season, but it might not be the be all and end all. If we don’t go up next season some fans will regard it as failure. That won’t however necessarily mean that it is failure, depending on the overall direction that the club is going in.
 
I'm not disputing wilder has a better managerial record than Selles, I'm merely saying the owners took over when wilder was in charge and he was doing very well, if the takeover had happened this time last year he would have been gone, as it was they stuck with him, why rock the boat etc, they put trust in him to get us over the the line from a very strong position and he didn't so they fired him, had they got rid in December when they took over and we had finished 3rd and not gone up this place would be in absolute meltdown with everyone saying owners cost us promotion wilder would have won league and knocked farke out along the way, as it turn out the owners were willing to give him a chance and he failed
I think the reason for the change is not so much the perceived failure of not getting promoted (because I don't regard a 3rd place finish this season to be a failure), and more to do with Wilder's reluctance to go along with our new AI driven recruitment process, which I can fully appreciate, but I don't agree with, and my prediction is that it will all end in tears.

So kids, buy the latest version of Football Manager and see what unknowns turn out to be superstars and see if United recruit any of them.
 
I think the reason for the change is not so much the perceived failure of not getting promoted (because I don't regard a 3rd place finish this season to be a failure), and more to do with Wilder's reluctance to go along with our new AI driven recruitment process, which I can fully appreciate, but I don't agree with, and my prediction is that it will all end in tears.

So kids, buy the latest version of Football Manager and see what unknowns turn out to be superstars and see if United recruit any of them.
I regard finishing 4th in a 3 horse race failure if I'm honest but each to their own
 
It's all relative isn't it.
Same as Gary Rowett finishing 17th with Oxford and John Eustace keeping Derby up.

49points was a success for his KPI's at Hull City, not Sheffield United.

I don't know why so many people are finding this hard to grasp?

Do you think Thomas Frank's KPI's will be the same at Tottenham as they were at Brentford? taken a club on a par with orient and kept them in comfortable safety n the prem
Franks has shown he can improve players, sold them on for tens of millions of pounds ,,,, has Selles
 
We should just let him get on with it and see how it goes. End of the day the club are going in a different direction and want to try something new and if it doesn’t work at least they have tried, let’s see who they bring in over the next 6 weeks. Could be exciting times it could be a disaster
 
we will finnish top of the 2nd tier with this great spanish guy ruben sellas hes talks very well were amassive club he wants powerfull football hes positive hes a breath of fresh air he wants to win every game we play ,good luck ,forza blades ,,utb...
You called us "Massive"!!
Foxy, gerrimoffforum!!
 

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