CW to West Brom

[Hagansbootlaces]

Agreed but there's no guarantee of success there given their budget, recent spend and the approach of their new owners. In fact, given that CW's next job is likely to be the key determinate as to whether he'll spend the next ten years managing in the top tier or in the levels below, keeping Burnley up (as an absolute minimum), whilst changing the style of football all under a tight budget could well turn out to be a very difficult/ impossible job.

Tbh- I could see Palace going for Potter or Cooper instead of Dyche - he really isn't held in the esteem his record warrants.

Potter apparently is the bookies favourite for the Everton job, I can't see Dyche at Palace, the link or rumour has been around for a couple of years, you would think if it was real, they would have made their move as soon as Hodgson left.
If Dyche does leave its a tough act to follow, that's before you think how many players might follow him out of the door, and the current interest from a couple of clubs in bidding for Chris Woods

 

[JJBlade]

This is what I’ve tried to tell people for years, when Wilder first came in he said regarding the clubs finances that he would never put the club in jeopardy, this is why he’s never gone mad spending big on wages and I admire him for his stance on this.

I do think the money was there if needed but if Wilder didn’t think it represented value for money then he was having none of it, trying to get this through to folk has been very hard though.

He’s made loads of mistakes and it could’ve ultimately halted his time here but I’m not going to fault him for this one, he always had the clubs best interests at heart no matter how poor his judgement and decisions were in the last season.

I'm sure he had the clubs best interests at heart, but going mental on transfer fees and not on wages doesn't make sense.
As someone has pointed out, there are many players available for next to nothing, the only drawback is they are big earners.

But big earners are big earners because they have done it before, they've just got replaced by an even bigger earner.
And £50,000, £60,000, £70,000 and even £100,000 a week puts between three and six players in the first team for four years that we've spent on Rhian Brewster

 

[Jake Richard Cuthbert]

David Wagner over Chris Wilder. Is there owner having a laugh?

 

[Luke1993]

David Wagner over Chris Wilder. Is there owner having a laugh?

Might be something to do with CW saying he wants full control of transfers etc, the west brom owners looking at our PL transfer record and thinking absolutely fucking not. Wagner might be accepting a more of a head coach role if that's the model they are choosing to use.

 

[SLB]

David Wagner over Chris Wilder. Is there owner having a laugh?

What's the difference?

 

[wizadry]

I'm sure he had the clubs best interests at heart, but going mental on transfer fees and not on wages doesn't make sense.
As someone has pointed out, there are many players available for next to nothing, the only drawback is they are big earners.

But big earners are big earners because they have done it before, they've just got replaced by an even bigger earner.
And £50,000, £60,000, £70,000 and even £100,000 a week puts between three and six players in the first team for four years that we've spent on Rhian Brewster

I take your point JJB. We can pay fees over so many years though and wages need to be paid immediately, plus if the shit hits the fan regarding us having a lot of high paid players on the books, ending up with us getting relegated it can sometimes be very hard to get rid of the players, this would cause a big problem for us and this is what I think Wilder wanted to stop happening, albeit he might wish he’d have done it slightly differently, who knows!

 

[Jake Richard Cuthbert]

What's the difference?

Chris Wilder got a team from mid table in league 1 to 9th in the Premier League.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Is he not?

Nuno Espirito Santo: Crystal Palace end talks with former Wolves boss over becoming new manager

Nuno Espirito Santo left Wolves by mutual consent at the end of the season after a four-year tenure at Molineux; the Portuguese has also held discussions with Everton over their vacant managerial post following the departure of Carlo Ancelotti

www.skysports.com

 

[JackSUFC]

David Wagner over Chris Wilder. Is there owner having a laugh?

Might not want to spend millions to then have his name dragged through the mud at the first sign of things going wrong.

 

[Heely bottoms underpants]

Put it this way, I would have been some what disappointed if Wagner had come to us.
Maybe, just maybe Wilder is quite a difficult man to work with, he had a lot of leverage with PA due to what he achieved with us.. But going into a new club and laying the law down isn't always a good look.

 

[JJBlade]

I take your point JJB. We can pay fees over so many years though and wages need to be paid immediately, plus if the shit hits the fan regarding us having a lot of high paid players on the books, ending up with us getting relegated it can sometimes be very hard to get rid of the players, this would cause a big problem for us and this is what I think Wilder wanted to stop happening, albeit he might wish he’d have done it slightly differently, who knows!

Wages are also paid over a period of time, weekly, or more likely monthly.

It would add up to more over a four year period, but I'm pretty sure we could have got better value for money than Brewster, McBurnie, Mousett, Berge, Jagielka, Rodwell etc if we'd got four or five players who had done it before albeit on higher wages

To me, although structured different it's all money coming from the same pot regardless of how it's dressed up

We can't establish ourselves as a Premier League club for one reason only, and that is our wage restrictions, and it's the same every time we get there.

This needs to change, I for one am sick of the term squad player, cover, utility player, versatility, a descriptive term used by United more than any other club on the planet

 

[Jake Richard Cuthbert]

Might not want to spend millions to then have his name dragged through the mud at the first sign of things going wrong.

Being a blade probably made him more passionate than he otherwise would have been.

 

[jono_t2000]

Being a blade probably made him more passionate than he otherwise would have been.

I would suggest talking to oxford fans/board. We are not an isolated case for Wilder spitting the dummy

 

[Jake Richard Cuthbert]

I would suggest talking to oxford fans/board. We are not an isolated case for Wilder spitting the dummy

Oooh

 

[Mouth of the South]

Might be something to do with CW saying he wants full control of transfers etc, the west brom owners looking at our PL transfer record and thinking absolutely fucking not. Wagner might be accepting a more of a head coach role if that's the model they are choosing to use.

Or CW wanting a lot more money in salary and budget!

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

Oooh

No proof but suspect CW is one of those characters that commits 100% to the job, no hobbies, no distractions, driven and doesn't cope well trying to dial it down, Peroni being a temporary fix,, sometimes tgat approach works well gets results but speaking from experience it wears out your welcome fast

 

[Jake Richard Cuthbert]

No proof but suspect CW is one of those characters that commits 100% to the job, no hobbies, no distractions, driven and doesn't cope well trying to dial it down, Peroni being a temporary fix,, sometimes tgat approach works well gets results but speaking from experience it wears out your welcome fast

Yeah, come to think of it I do see that in Wilder tbh.

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

Yeah, come to think of it I do see that in Wilder tbh.

I see it, as I have the same 'flaw' or trait, after a bit of time you realise you can't demand the same standards or shared attitude, you try and adapt, but stupid things start to add up, some trivial thing demands a response, but you know you can't, that starts to eat away at you, start to think about ways to get away, get out

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Fulham being the team with the owners son picking the players they buy? That Fulham?
That would be hilarious to watch given his attacks on our board around recruitment.
With us, Palace and Fulham that’s him already down to 85% of clubs remaining. Most of which can’t afford him or have DoF or both.

Palace are going to appoint Nuno, no interest in Chris and Dyche will sign a new deal with Burnley.
Of course if Dyche left it would be an interesting job having to keep them up. The one team in the league with a much lower budget and lower wage bill than we gave him. Plus they also have a team who also pick his transfers for him.

It really is crazy that he couldn’t reign it in to get to the summer and re-charge because he really isn’t going to get a better job on as much money with as much control.

Sunderland is the only option which would seem to fit.

Again Fulham would still be interested in him it would be down to CW to accept some help with transfers which is not unreasonable and the norm

I agree though if he wants all control wants to run the club shop and the kiosk he may aswell buy his own club

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Sean Dyche's last 8 seasons are two promotions from the Championship and 6 seasons and counting in the Premier League with Burnley.

I would argue it is harder to take a team from mid table in league one to 9th in the premier league

Than take a top half champ team to the prem tho both great achievements and why they both should get bigger jobs eg everton/wolves/spurs

If anything it just proves that a relegation from the premiership doesnt make you a bad manager

Dyche was also sacked by watford after finishing mid table in the Champ

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Potter apparently is the bookies favourite for the Everton job, I can't see Dyche at Palace, the link or rumour has been around for a couple of years, you would think if it was real, they would have made their move as soon as Hodgson left.
If Dyche does leave its a tough act to follow, that's before you think how many players might follow him out of the door, and the current interest from a couple of clubs in bidding for Chris Woods

Potter whos biggest achievement is getting Brighton to 16th Laughable

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I would argue it is harder to take a team from mid table in league one to 9th in the premier league

Than take a top half champ team to the prem tho both great achievements and why they both should get bigger jobs eg everton/wolves/spurs

If anything it just proves that a relegation from the premiership doesnt make you a bad manager

Dyche was also sacked by watford after finishing mid table in the Champ

The Burnley fans watching their 6th consecutive season in the Premier League might differ.
It also shows that Dyche didn't throw his toys out of the pram in tough times.

 

[Balham]

The Burnley fans watching their 6th consecutive season in the Premier League might differ.
It also shows that Dyche didn't throw his toys out of the pram in tough times.

At some point there has to be an existential crisis from aiming to finish 17th every season. That sojourn into Europe looks increasingly like a one off. What's the point?

Burnley are the 2020s version of Stoke in the 2010s.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

At some point there has to be an existential crisis from aiming to finish 17th every season. That sojourn into Europe looks increasingly like a one off. What's the point?

Burnley are the 2020s version of Stoke in the 2010s.

What's the point? Is it better for the club financially than a thrilling relegation?
Burnley's Academy went from a Cat 3 to a Cat 1 in 3 years.

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

Potter whos biggest achievement is getting Brighton to 16th Laughable

flavour of the month, with the media, who tend to use a stock phrase, closing every post match report, whatever the result,, 'he is doing an amazing job there' usually met with a couple of pundits, slowly nodding their heads in agreement, before Lineker drags the conversation back to Leicester

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

The Burnley fans watching their 6th consecutive season in the Premier League might differ.
It also shows that Dyche didn't throw his toys out of the pram in tough times.

Im not disagreeing with you there both great managers

If burnley had our injuries this year they would more than likely be relegated also though

 

[alcoblade]

What's the difference?

One’s good and one isn’t.

 

[Scarebus]

And i wouldnt be surprised if he ended up @ Palace/Burnley

Are we still talking about wilder here?

 

[Yogi]

What's the point? Is it better for the club financially than a thrilling relegation?
Burnley's Academy went from a Cat 3 to a Cat 1 in 3 years.

Brand new training ground complex as well. Those years under dyche have probably secured Burnley’s future for the next few decades at least.

 

[Balham]

What's the point? Is it better for the club financially than a thrilling relegation?
Burnley's Academy went from a Cat 3 to a Cat 1 in 3 years.

For the club, yes it absolutely makes sense to finish 17th in the PL as you get the income and can invest just as Burnley has. The original question was about the fans' view and that's what my response was aimed at: there will come a point where the fans will get bored of finishing in the bottom 5 and start agitating for progress.