CW to West Brom

[Hagansbootlaces]

I appreciate that chaps and as always it’s likely to be somewhere in the middle.

I think like most companies they have made a shortlist, carried out the interviews, then discussed the pros and cons re every applicant, Appleton reportedly has a 700K 'release/compo' fee, presumably Wilder has to pay back some of the money he negotiated to leave us, perfectly acceptable put that to WBA and ask them to make up the difference, presumably tge other candidates didn't have that issue, then add in the countless other considerations, from wages, track record etc

 

[ancientblade]

He never gets mentioned now because most have not witnessed it, me included, but certainly right up there from what I've watched and read, and if there's a statue of Wilder planned for the car park at some point (won't be just yet!) then we need one for Harris and Bassett also!

yes agree loved dave bassetts man management but got to be honest hated the type of football we played under him but john harris was a brilliant manager who played fantastic attacking football only thing that held him back from creating a top 6 side was the boardroom in particular dick wragg kevin mcabe was a saint at the side of him

 

[McDonagh Blade]

john harris without question the best manager we have ever had

Agreed. Watching that 70/71 team from the Bramall Lane Upper as a fifteen year old, marvellous flowing attacking football. Thought it would be always thus and we didn't have a barrel of money then either

 

[Mouth of the South]

WOW thats some selective re-writing of history

12 months ago Chris wilder was the greatest manager in the history of football

You can think he's a great manager and still think hes a bit of a tit for the way he acted the last 6 months of his time at us

Name me a better managerial achievement in the last 10 years than what he has done with us taking us from L1 TO 9th in the prem (Bar Leicester)

Klopp winning the Prem and Champions League? Different levels to CW and Utd granted but to overtake Man City and also win the biggest club prize in the world is arguably a bigger achievement.

 

[Balham]

WOW thats some selective re-writing of history

12 months ago Chris wilder was the greatest manager in the history of football

You can think he's a great manager and still think hes a bit of a tit for the way he acted the last 6 months of his time at us

Name me a better managerial achievement in the last 10 years than what he has done with us taking us from L1 TO 9th in the prem (Bar Leicester)

It's not a "selective re-writing of history". It's acknowledging that we hugely overperformed last season and that is down to Wilder and the team ethos he curated. I have never said that Wilder is "the greatest manager in the history of football" either, for what it's worth. I also don't think there is a greater managerial achievement in the last 10 years than what Wilder achieved with us but unfortunately that's now in the past.

I do think Wilder was a great manager, particularly in the first three years of his time with us. I also think he was a tit from lockdown onwards, running the team into the ground, failing to adapt to Wilderball being figured out by his peers and trying to solve the midfield problems by signing centre forwards (or wingers played out of position up front). The warning signs were there after the restart and Wilder did nothing to sort it.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Klopp winning the Prem and Champions League? Different levels to CW and Utd granted but to overtake Man City and also win the biggest club prize in the world is arguably a bigger achievement.

I agree , but pound for pound they are on similar levels

Klopp managed mainz and got a chance with dortmund same for tuchel

In the Prem that very rarely happens

 

[BushBlade]

Seems that West Brom have a bit of a boardroom problem. There's the board of directors who are British and know how to run a football club, although that may be disputed by Albion fans at times. But the money man has all the control ultimately and maybe it was only near the end of the process that the Chinese owner got wind of the end with us, possibly spoke to the Prince etc, you'd be surprised what owners do not know about football, look at Chansiri at Wednesday and the Venkys at Blackburn!

The current owner’s tenure has been a series of poor decisions, from replacing Pulis with Pardew, then replacing him with Moore, to giving Bilic an alleged transfer budget of £20m when they went up - which is fair enough if you accept you’ll probably go down, like Norwich but to then sack him and replace him with Allardyce and let him spend money in the JTW was a bit daft.

So it doesn’t really surprise me that he’s made another one. I’m happy about it though. If the pigs hadn’t bottled pens, no one would even remember Wagner.

 

[Kev Gee]

Part of me thinks this is funny as wilders elaborate plan to try and make it look like we got relegated because of the board and anyone but him has backfired so that he could walk straight back into a Prem job ( which he deserves) so its quite funny that west brom would turn him down and bat shit mental at the same time

Do find it daft that none of the Prem vacancies are looking at Wilder

IMO he is a better manager than Nuno/Howe/Lampard taking us to 9th is a much better achievement than any other manager has done in the last few years

If an english manager cant get a top end job after what Wilder achieved with us British managers may aswell call it a day

Your only as good as the last season in the eyes of many directors of PL clubs.
Not only that but CWs digs at our board won't have gone unnoticed by those directors either.
He will have to step down a league (possibly even to L1) with Sunderland to rebuild his reputation.
No PL team will gamble on him.

 

[JayGreen17]

Im pleased he’s not gone to them, he would have had them challenging, major mistake by their board from all accounts, his end with us was awful and there’s a number of non football reasons why our form and last season was shit, yes he did spend unwisely and it seems his stubborn nature has shot himself in the foot, but I recon he would have been the perfect fit for them, it seems they’re on a budget and he knows how to work within them, Wagner may do a great job, but Wilder would have had them firing.

I have a feeling Wilder will need to lower his expectations in terms of a new club, maybe a Middlesbrough/Cardiff would be a good fit, but let’s be honest the way it ended with us has done him absolutely no favours and for all his shirt bashing it seems he’s likely going to be working in conditions that he was working with us 3 years ago, so why the outbursts and walking out the back door Chris, time will tell if it was worth it for him.

 

[bypassblade]

yes agree loved dave bassetts man management but got to be honest hated the type of football we played under him but john harris was a brilliant manager who played fantastic attacking football only thing that held him back from creating a top 6 side was the boardroom in particular dick wragg kevin mcabe was a saint at the side of him

Could not have worded it better

 

[Champagneblade]

The current owner’s tenure has been a series of poor decisions, from replacing Pulis with Pardew, then replacing him with Moore, to giving Bilic an alleged transfer budget of £20m when they went up - which is fair enough if you accept you’ll probably go down, like Norwich but to then sack him and replace him with Allardyce and let him spend money in the JTW was a bit daft.

So it doesn’t really surprise me that he’s made another one. I’m happy about it though. If the pigs hadn’t bottled pens, no one would even remember Wagner.

Only team I can recall going up with a negative goal difference. Went through the play offs on penalties in both games.

You'd have to say they were pretty lucky to get out of the division.

However, just like Wilder, you can't take away the fact he then went ahead and kept them up for that first season.

I still think Wilder has a better overall record of multiple promotions. For Wagner he's only really got Huddersfield as his one example of success.

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

Only team I can recall going up with a negative goal difference. Went through the play offs on penalties in both games.

You'd have to say they were pretty lucky to get out of the division.

However, just like Wilder, you can't take away the fact he then went ahead and kept them up for that first season.

I still think Wilder has a better overall record of multiple promotions. For Wagner he's only really got Huddersfield as his one example of success.

Don't forget the hype after they played Palace away in their first game in the PL,, lazy pundits all desperate to 'spot' and highlight something unique in their game.

 

[Booker4]

The current owner’s tenure has been a series of poor decisions, from replacing Pulis with Pardew, then replacing him with Moore, to giving Bilic an alleged transfer budget of £20m when they went up - which is fair enough if you accept you’ll probably go down, like Norwich but to then sack him and replace him with Allardyce and let him spend money in the JTW was a bit daft.

So it doesn’t really surprise me that he’s made another one. I’m happy about it though. If the pigs hadn’t bottled pens, no one would even remember Wagner.

That's harsh on Wagner, Bush. Getting Hudders up was a huge achievement and then keeping him up likewise. However that was done in conjunction to Webber at Huddersfield, who's as similar success with Norwich. I like Wagner, I said that on here regularly, but I do think we've got the best choice in Jokanovic. I think Wagner will do well at West Brom, but not as well as us and he can't sign second division German players like he could previously. Wagner without Webber could well be an issue for Albion. His football isn't the easiest on the eye either.

 

[BushBlade]

That's harsh on Wagner, Bush. Getting Hudders up was a huge achievement and then keeping him up likewise. However that was done in conjunction to Webber at Huddersfield, who's as similar success with Norwich. I like Wagner, I said that on here regularly, but I do think we've got the best choice in Jokanovic. I think Wagner will do well at West Brom, but not as well as us and he can't sign second division German players like he could previously. Wagner without Webber could well be an issue for Albion. His football isn't the easiest on the eye either.

Yes, Huddersfield had Webber and seemed to have a decent owner that knew what he was doing. I’m not convinced that’s the case at West Brom. I think Wagner could do a good job at a well run club, with a Webber type alongside him but I’m hoping he’ll struggle at West Brom.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Your only as good as the last season in the eyes of many directors of PL clubs.
Not only that but CWs digs at our board won't have gone unnoticed by those directors either.
He will have to step down a league (possibly even to L1) with Sunderland to rebuild his reputation.
No PL team will gamble on him.

He would walk into 95% of championship jobs bar WBA can see him going Fulham if parker leaves

And i wouldnt be surprised if he ended up @ Palace/Burnley

 

[ChezVegasBlade]

Nuno gone to Palace.

 

[Yogi]

He would walk into 95% of championship jobs bar WBA can see him going Fulham if parker leaves

And i wouldnt be surprised if he ended up @ Palace/Burnley

Don’t see it at Fulham myself they’re the playing of the owners son Tony Khan and he runs everything including signing all players without consulting the manager. Wilder would blow a gasket in the first 10 minutes of the interview.

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

He would walk into 95% of championship jobs bar WBA can see him going Fulham if parker leaves

And i wouldnt be surprised if he ended up @ Palace/Burnley

I used to know a guy that spent ten years on the pit crew of an F1 team,,he once totally screwed up a wheel change,, guess what he is remembered for, clue its not the ten years impeccable 'service'

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

He would walk into 95% of championship jobs bar WBA can see him going Fulham if parker leaves

And i wouldnt be surprised if he ended up @ Palace/Burnley

Fulham being the team with the owners son picking the players they buy? That Fulham?
That would be hilarious to watch given his attacks on our board around recruitment.
With us, Palace and Fulham that’s him already down to 85% of clubs remaining. Most of which can’t afford him or have DoF or both.

Palace are going to appoint Nuno, no interest in Chris and Dyche will sign a new deal with Burnley.
Of course if Dyche left it would be an interesting job having to keep them up. The one team in the league with a much lower budget and lower wage bill than we gave him. Plus they also have a team who also pick his transfers for him.

It really is crazy that he couldn’t reign it in to get to the summer and re-charge because he really isn’t going to get a better job on as much money with as much control.

Sunderland is the only option which would seem to fit.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Nuno isn’t going to Palace

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nuno isn’t going to Palace

Is he not?

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

Is he not?

Reports doing the rounds, his extensive backroom staff and their wages was too much for Palace, presumably Everton now the only suitors, although this morning Graham Potter was the new favourite.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Reports doing the rounds, his extensive backroom staff and their wages was too much for Palace, presumably Everton now the only suitors, although this morning Graham Potter was the new favourite.

I quite like Porter. How long until Chris is linked there?

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

I quite like Porter. How long until Chris is linked there?

Chris Porter has more chance

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

I quite like Porter. How long until Chris is linked there?

He was but an outside bet, extra pressure on Everton getting the right man, with the new ground and their 5 year plan

 

[CaptainMorgans]

WOW thats some selective re-writing of history

12 months ago Chris wilder was the greatest manager in the history of football

You can think he's a great manager and still think hes a bit of a tit for the way he acted the last 6 months of his time at us

Name me a better managerial achievement in the last 10 years than what he has done with us taking us from L1 TO 9th in the prem (Bar Leicester)

How did he rewrite history with his post? He just posted up the facts. Most would accept that our strength was at the back.

 

[Surrey Blade]

I used to know a guy that spent ten years on the pit crew of an F1 team,,he once totally screwed up a wheel change,, guess what he is remembered for, clue its not the ten years impeccable 'service'

Yep. You get paid the big bucks, you have to keep on delivering; sadly, CW lost the plot post lockdown.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Name me a better managerial achievement in the last 10 years than what he has done with us taking us from L1 TO 9th in the prem (Bar Leicester)

Sean Dyche's last 8 seasons are two promotions from the Championship and 6 seasons and counting in the Premier League with Burnley.

 

[Hagansbootlaces]

Sean Dyche's last 8 seasons are two promotions from the Championship and 6 seasons and counting in the Premier League with Burnley.

Will be interesting to see if Palace go after Dyche, now Nuno is off their list, think Burnley is probably the biggest job CW could get

 

[Mouth of the South]

Will be interesting to see if Palace go after Dyche, now Nuno is off their list, think Burnley is probably the biggest job CW could get

Agreed but there's no guarantee of success there given their budget, recent spend and the approach of their new owners. In fact, given that CW's next job is likely to be the key determinate as to whether he'll spend the next ten years managing in the top tier or in the levels below, keeping Burnley up (as an absolute minimum), whilst changing the style of football all under a tight budget could well turn out to be a very difficult/ impossible job.

Tbh- I could see Palace going for Potter or Cooper instead of Dyche - he really isn't held in the esteem his record warrants.