Ramsdale--our worst signing ever?

[Linz]

Is there? Show your working.

I'm not used to people trying to incorporate actual facts into their arguments. It's far easier to read when you're all just calling each other twats.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Take it you never saw Brian Howard or Steve Simonson or George long.. the list goes on but you get my point. Fwiw, rammers in the net last season (with the defence from last season) would be almost as good as hendo. People forget Henderson has his weaknesses... Near post for a start.

B*llocks. Henderson is a far better keeper, he made the odd mistake Ramsdale makes a mistake literally every game. Henderson was a big reason we were promoted, Ramsdale will be a hindrance next season 100%

 

[Drunk blade]

Sick of people making excuses for him yes he's young but he's being paid 20k plus A WEEK to be fucking shit every game...

He needs to be dropped he's a big reason why we are bottom of the league on 5 points after 19 sodding games

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Even taking statistics out of it - just the eye test should be enough to tell you Henderson is a far superior goalkeeper.

Henderson would bail us out in games. Make some superb saves to keep us in it. I don't think I've seen this once from Ramsdale.

 

[Guesty]

I'm not used to people trying to incorporate actual facts into their arguments. It's far easier to read when you're all just calling each other twats.

If we've got mathematical proof that another poster is a bellend, are we allowed to abuse them?

 

[Danetheblade]

That's absolute nonsense. Henderson is a far better goalkeeper than Ramsdale & would make a lot of the saves that Ramsdale misses (ones that aren't even right in the corner) look routine. He's able to do this by being more athletic & having a better starting position.

Have a look at Henderson's XGA vs conceded goals. Then look at Ramsdale's. Henderson was worth about 7 goals for us. Ramsdale costs us goals. That has nothing to do with the level of protection provided by the defence.

Don't mean to be disrespectful, but all this xga and PVA shite counts for nowt really. If the stats and graphs and stuff meant anything, we'd have won today by 3/4 goals. We didn't. Ahh right, so Henderson's better due to the coaching and the fact he's played a lot of games for his age? By that logic, if rammers had that amount of games he'd be a better keeper.

I also think Henderson's had the best platform. Did well at Shrewsbury, worked his way up the league's. Ramsdale hasn't. He's played at the top level for the past two seasons, for two teams who are absolute gash.

 

[BettingBlade]

I actually think Simonsen is a better shot stopper than Ramsdale. Simonsen’s biggest fault was his flapping about and failure to control his penalty area but he still had a top save in him every now and again.

EDIT: I actually meant to reply to someone there but fuck knows what happened, not just making a random comparison.

 

[Working Class Hero]

When was the last time long played in the premier League? Rammers (for his downsides) has played consistently at a top level. I'd say he's night and day better than those two

Fair enough that's your opinion, and you may have seen more of Ramsdale than me. Based on his 20 or so games here though, I genuinely can't see how anyone can say he's a better shot stopper than any of the other Blades keepers I've seen in the last 30 years (apart from Lee Baxter). Simply because he has looked absolutely terrible at shot stopping.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Don't mean to be disrespectful, but all this xga and PVA shite counts for nowt really. If the stats and graphs and stuff meant anything, we'd have won today by 3/4 goals. We didn't. Ahh right, so Henderson's better due to the coaching and the fact he's played a lot of games for his age? By that logic, if rammers had that amount of games he'd be a better keeper.

I also think Henderson's had the best platform. Did well at Shrewsbury, worked his way up the league's. Ramsdale hasn't. He's played at the top level for the past two seasons, for two teams who are absolute gash.

You haven't really said anything there.

 

[lazyfecklessblade]

The one today, in isolation is poor. In the context of a number of other goals he’s conceded this season it highlights proper problems with his game.

Namely for fucks sake save it with your feet if it’s low and close.

 

[Houston_Blade]

There was no upside in playing him today in my view. Give him a week off on the pretence it’s the FA cup. Instead he’s made another howler and looked dodgy on a couple of crosses in a game where he’s hardly had anything to do. I really hope he improves next season but either he’s shit or just bereft of confidence this season.

 

[Danetheblade]

You haven't really said anything there.

I never really do to be honest.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

I actually think Simonsen is a better shot stopper than Ramsdale. Simonsen’s biggest fault was his flapping about and failure to control his penalty area but he still had a top save in him every now and again.

EDIT: I actually meant to reply to someone there but fuck knows what happened, not just making a random comparison.

Simonsen was also shit at taking penalties

 

[JPBrods]

Even taking statistics out of it - just the eye test should be enough to tell you Henderson is a far superior goalkeeper.

Henderson would bail us out in games. Make some superb saves to keep us in it. I don't think I've seen this once from Ramsdale.

This is the big problem. I just never expect him to be the hero of the day when mistakes like the one Bash made results in a chance. As a last line of defence he's lightweight.

 

[Mouth of the South]

I think ( or more accuratly, hope) there's a decent keeper in him. Unfortunately, we're just not seeing it and if anything he appears to be getting worse. Confidence is hugely important for players but especially GKs and Ramsdale looks absolutely devoid of any. It's getting to the stage that everyone, including Utd's players and possibly even himself, are now expecting him to make errors.
At the moment he's looks as though he's got a lot more in common with George Long that Dean Henderson.
His transfer fee wasn't his fault but it exagerates his failings and people's views of him.
It's a shame there isn't an alternative option that CW trusts as I think a break would do him good. I think there's a real risk if he's perservered with all season that irrepairable damage may be done to his mental toughness and resilience, again, just as we saw previously with Long.

 

[Badger Blade]

6 clean sheets in 56 league games says it all. No control over his defence and letting in shots he could have thrown his cap on. 1.65 goals conceded on average per game and there's virtually no hope of us scoring 2 goals a game to bail him out.

Look how much Chelsea spent on Kepa to realise he's crap and benched him, we need to do the same.

 

[BettingBlade]

Simonsen was also shit at taking penalties

I wouldn’t be too concerned if Ramsdale was as well tbh.

Can’t believe I’m defending him to this extent but if it wasn’t for Simonsen we’d have lost that Huddersfield play off in normal time.

However, it it also wasn’t for Simonsen we’d probably still be taking the penalties now and half of us would be dead from sun stroke.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I really, really do not want to be down on any of our players, it's a confidence face after all and I do not want to be a detractor to our squad. He clearly is a big, upbeat character around the squad, full of smiles, tries really hard, and really wants to succeed. His graft and commitment to the cause cannot be doubted.

But right now, he's a bag of nerves and he isn't ready and I haven't felt as uncertain about a player in our side for a long time. The goal today was very poor. He needs consolidation at the level below for a couple of seasons at least. Comparisons with Henderson were always going to bring a lot of pressure, given Henderson's success here, given that Henderson is a generational talent and given Ramsdale's price tag. However, their career trajectories are totally different.

Henderson went out on loan early and stepped up through the divisions each season. Stockport, Grimsby, Shrewsbury, United in the Championship and United in Premier League. Each step was an aspirational but achievable step. His cocksure nature may have always been there, but it's a self-assured confidence based on growth and proving yourself at each respective level.

In contrast, Ramsdale had his move to Bournemouth, a relegation at Chesterfield, a year at Wimbledon who struggled, a relegation season with Bournemouth whereby he was thrust into the first team, and then a big money move to us. It's not his fault, but he just doesn't have the same foundation and isn't ready, and is currently under a lot of pressure.

Worst signing ever, no? But the price tag is a pressure currently. I really hope he comes good.

But for now, I'd play Verrips for a bit.

 

[HeySethUTB]

Dean Henderson’s career - save percentage never dropped below 73%

Aaron Ramsdale career (so far) - Save percentage high 60s

steve simonsen - Save percentage at his worst with us is comparable with ramsdale currently often mid 70s

 

[alcoblade]

I’m too lazy to read the thread above, but it seems to me there’s an attempt at a debate about Ramsdale being comparable to Henderson. Wow!

 

[JS Blade]

He’s having a sticky period. Stand by him.

We’ve seen Dean Hammond, Jay Mceveley, Michael Higdon ... moaning gets you no where.

Regardless of what people think there is more to transfers than meets the eye. Mainly being Bournemouth owed us more money than we paid out in that deal on this particular occasion.

We are not a wealthy club. whether you like it or not.

Dean Henderson is a better keeper but there’s no need to write Ramsdale off just yet, we didn’t want to pay upwards of 50k per week. Maybe another keeper coming in for a few games would spur him on.

We are a high level championship / low level premier league club. We’ve spent our last few seasons at that level.

The club is on track.

Now more importantly - Can anyone remove stegosaurus from this forum? Perfect example why I dislike our own fans.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

He’s having a sticky period. Stand by him.

Sticky period? He’s been absolutely abysmal in just about every game for us. Standing by him is costing us goals and in league games, points too. He has been shown lacking in all the goalkeeping basics.

Only Wilder’s stubbornness is keeping him in the team.

 

[SiamBlade]

Sadly, he reminds me of George Long. Want him to do well, but seems way below standard.

And he’s had the benefit of not getting stick from home and away fans in the stadium.

There must be something there as he’s rated by our coaches and those at national level, but his mistakes are now less of a surprise, more of an expectation.

 

[Toronto Blade]

He is going to be very busy with these next two games. Sink or swim time for a very young keeper.

 

[JS Blade]

And if we get relegated is it going to be the biggest footballing shock of all time? Not really.

Dean Henderson wouldn’t have kept us mid table this season. There are a whole variety of issues as to why we are where we are. Not just Ramsdale.

if we play next season in the championship we are not under achieving. That is our level. On a good day we are a premier league side. JUST.

The bottom line is Ramsdale is still in the top half of championship goalkeepers, the bottom line is the haters and scape goat lovers can’t take it.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

I can see why people have no confidence in rammer, but why do they think that verrips is the answer to our problems. Has anyone actually seen him play? If he's worse than ramsdale and wes then god help us. It seems similar to people wanting the the latest youth team player brought in every time we are struggling.

 

[Mumbo]

Sticky period? He’s been absolutely abysmal in just about every game for us. Standing by him is costing us goals and in league games, points too. He has been shown lacking in all the goalkeeping basics.

Only Wilder’s stubbornness is keeping him in the team.

For stubbornness read ‘ego’
I’ve come to expect mistakes from Ramsdale now.
It was bad management playing him today,he’s a nervous wreck for all to see and has been for weeks.
He would benefit from time out to regain focus and composure.

 

[Drunk blade]

In British urban centres, you're not usually six feet away from a rat or a Goalkeeper better than Ramsdale

 

[Winthorpe Blades]

From the goalkeepers union here but I cannot defend the technique of how he sets off to dive and the foot movement is shocking (as some of the goalkeeper coaches have mentioned on here) - Ramsdale has not played consistently in the premier league unless you count one season for a relegated side and this season for a relegation threatened side/relegated side. The only consistency I can see is relegation

On a positive note I did think the Plymouth goalkeeper looked quite assured

 

[alcoblade]

He’s having a sticky period. Stand by him.

We’ve seen Dean Hammond, Jay Mceveley, Michael Higdon ... moaning gets you no where.

Regardless of what people think there is more to transfers than meets the eye. Mainly being Bournemouth owed us more money than we paid out in that deal on this particular occasion.

We are not a wealthy club. whether you like it or not.

Dean Henderson is a better keeper but there’s no need to write Ramsdale off just yet, we didn’t want to pay upwards of 50k per week. Maybe another keeper coming in for a few games would spur him on.

We are a high level championship / low level premier league club. We’ve spent our last few seasons at that level.

The club is on track.

Now more importantly - Can anyone remove stegosaurus from this forum? Perfect example why I dislike our own fans.

That’s a terrible justification for signing a player, and I’ve no doubt it played no part.

Bournemouth still owed us the money - it was coming one way or another.

However we analyse it, we’ve enormously overpaid here - and there are significant doubts that Ramsdale will be good enough even in the championship.

I’d be disappointed if we aren’t looking for replacements already.