Ramsdale--our worst signing ever?

[Working Class Hero]

Normally goalkeepers have at least one attribute that they can cling on to. With Ramsdale though, there doesn't seem to be anything there that makes him a goalkeeper.

He literally can't catch, he's poor with his feet, doesn't command the area and is possibly the worst shot stopper I've ever seen.

 

[HeySethUTB]

They are other players in that dressing room that have been dropped for less. What happened to no room for sentiment. Just watched the goal again, throwing his arms shouting fuck me. Well no ramsdale you job is to save the ball, not being funny but if the opposition are having a shot at you then it’s normally associated with a defensive error, so do your job rammers. Your never going to go a full game without having something to do. Step up.

 

[Greg.]

I still don't know why we aren't giving Verrips a chance? Now we have Ramsdale with even lower confidence against the top team in the league!

 

[Hague Blade]

Even the lady doing the commentary didn't seem to rate him. Picked him up early for poor technique catching a cross, and to be fair she was spot on.

Mistakes in front of him on their goal for sure, but he just let the shot straight through him.

 

[Black Cloud]

If the ‘worst signing’ ever was weighted against cost then he’s up there, along with some of our other ‘big money’ signings...
Verrips & Foderingham may also be rubbish, but we will never know as they are unlikely to get a game.
He’s got to be given a break...

 

[robbiez666]

I still don't know why we aren't giving Verrips a chance? Now we have Ramsdale with even lower confidence against the top team in the league!

I don't understand why either of our back-up keepers haven't played in the last two cup games. Regardless of Ramsdale's form.

 

[Superblades]

Needs dropping.
His retention in the first team must be having a knock on effect in the dressing room. If us fans, media and commentators are starting to notice this then sure as hell the players will be....

Remember playing Sunday league? If you had a shit keeper, it never filled the rest of the team with much confidence from the start. I don’t see why it would be any different at that level.

 

[Bert]

Even the lady doing the commentary didn't seem to rate him. Picked him up early for poor technique catching a cross, and to be fair she was spot on.

Mistakes in front of him on their goal for sure, but he just let the shot straight through him.

She wasn't spot on about most things... especially when she claimed that Burke who had been on the field 5 minutes made a "tired tackle."

 

[CaptainMorgans]

He goes from bad to worse. Hardly anything to do then lets a shot go straight through him. Fumbled a fairly easy cross too. He's calamitous & nobody trusts him.

To be honest, at £18m, if he doesn't improve quite rapidly then you could potentially make a case for him being our worst ever signing.

The biggest worry for me is that I don't see the potential in him to improve. He struggles with the basics & he doesn't look athletic enough to make a fist of it in the Premier League.

 

[Il Coltello]

We could have bought 72 million Freddo bars for £18million.

That is 2400 for each fan based on 30,000 fans.

We would be absolutely no worse off in goal and we'd all have 240 Freddos per match for the next 10 seasons.

That's the real tragedy here.

 

[HeySethUTB]

Normally goalkeepers have at least one attribute that they can cling on to. With Ramsdale though, there doesn't seem to be anything there that makes him a goalkeeper.

He literally can't catch, he's poor with his feet, doesn't command the area and is possibly the worst shot stopper I've ever seen.

Depressingly you’re right. Love to here what wilder and the coaching staff see that we don’t. In the twenty games he’s played can anyone actually say he’s been any good in any of them. Like I have already said others have been dropped for a couple of bad performances in amongst decent ones. Rammers gets a free ride IMO because, wilder knows if he drops him he hasn’t got the mentality to bounce back, thus proving what a waste of money he has been. You’re not telling me if we had bought him for 5 or 6 million he wouldn’t have been dropped.

And in fact I don’t think he gets the same level of stick from us. The reason we go off on one is because as fans of this club we know how much the money spent on rammers could have gone on other areas of our team.

 

[Danetheblade]

Normally goalkeepers have at least one attribute that they can cling on to. With Ramsdale though, there doesn't seem to be anything there that makes him a goalkeeper.

He literally can't catch, he's poor with his feet, doesn't command the area and is possibly the worst shot stopper I've ever seen.

Take it you never saw Brian Howard or Steve Simonson or George long.. the list goes on but you get my point. Fwiw, rammers in the net last season (with the defence from last season) would be almost as good as hendo. People forget Henderson has his weaknesses... Near post for a start.

 

[Oreyt]

She wasn't spot on about most things... especially when she claimed that Burke who had been on the field 5 minutes made a "tired tackle."

That resulted in a shrill bark of derision from Oreyt as well.

 

[SW12 to S12 to S18]

Even the lady doing the commentary didn't seem to rate him. Picked him up early for poor technique catching a cross, and to be fair she was spot on.

Mistakes in front of him on their goal for sure, but he just let the shot straight through him.

Don’t take any notice of her, she said she was at Bramall Lane for the Crystal Palace game in the New Year!

 

[Broadsword]

Looks nervous, as if he expects to make a mistake.

 

[Guesty]

We could have bought 72 million Freddo bars for £18million.

That is 2400 for each fan based on 30,000 fans.

We would be absolutely no worse off in goal and we'd all have 240 Freddos per match for the next 10 seasons.

That's the real tragedy here.

240 per season per fan isn't it? Rather than per match?

I haven't done the maths you understand, just following your logic.

 

[marsh blade]

Take it you never saw Brian Howard or Steve Simonson or George long.. the list goes on but you get my point. Fwiw, rammers in the net last season (with the defence from last season) would be almost as good as hendo. People forget Henderson has his weaknesses... Near post for a start.

I remember Benstead and Phil ..just about as bad as Ramsdale but much cheaper...put Jags in net .

 

[Danetheblade]

I remember Benstead and Phil ..just about as bad as Ramsdale but much cheaper...put Jags in net .

Titan of a keeper is jags lmao.

 

[marsh blade]

I remember Benstead and Phil ..just about as bad as Ramsdale but much cheaper...put Jags in net .

Sorry jumped gun ..Phil kite .

 

[Niceguyeddie]

We could have bought 72 million Freddo bars for £18million.

That is 2400 for each fan based on 30,000 fans.

We would be absolutely no worse off in goal and we'd all have 240 Freddos per match for the next 10 seasons.

That's the real tragedy here.

 

[Guesty]

We'd also get fewer Freddos per match if we're relegated, as we'd have more home games.

 

[essexblade73]

Take it you never saw Brian Howard or Steve Simonson or George long.. the list goes on but you get my point. Fwiw, rammers in the net last season (with the defence from last season) would be almost as good as hendo. People forget Henderson has his weaknesses... Near post for a start.

Wasnt it Mark Howard the goalie, Brian Howard was that tan man we had in midfield

 

[HeySethUTB]

Take it you never saw Brian Howard or Steve Simonson or George long.. the list goes on but you get my point. Fwiw, rammers in the net last season (with the defence from last season) would be almost as good as hendo. People forget Henderson has his weaknesses... Near post for a start.

I can’t agree with this, but only from a statistical point of view Rammers PSxG from shots on target is identical to Henderson’s at 0.30, yet Henderson PSxG was +5.2 in comparison to Ramsdales -2.9. Simply meaning even though both keepers statistically faced the same difficulty of shots on target Henderson out performs ramsdale by 8 goals, in a team that has lost 11 games by one goal it makes a huge difference to points on the board.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Take it you never saw Brian Howard or Steve Simonson or George long.. the list goes on but you get my point. Fwiw, rammers in the net last season (with the defence from last season) would be almost as good as hendo. People forget Henderson has his weaknesses... Near post for a start.

I can't say I've seen Brian Howard no, and yes the other two were awful shot stoppers as well, but can you honestly say Ramsdale is better on the evidence shown so far?

All goalkeepers, even the worst ones, make SOME saves. Ramsdale doesn't seem to be making any at the moment though, and his diving ability just looks like he's not been trained as a keeper, he's that bad at it.

I really don't enjoy picking fault with young players, and I get the feeling he's the type who it would affect. But it's just so glaring that he has no positives, it has to be said.

 

[nickwr37]

Needs a strong defence in front of him to generate confidence. May take some time....A few goals/wins/clean sheets may also help. Championship will be interesting. I would like to see Verrips get a game vs BCFC just for a change and so we can all comment on R vs V.

 

[Linz]

There's too much maths in this thread...

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Take it you never saw Brian Howard or Steve Simonson or George long.. the list goes on but you get my point. Fwiw, rammers in the net last season (with the defence from last season) would be almost as good as hendo. People forget Henderson has his weaknesses... Near post for a start.

That's absolute nonsense. Henderson is a far better goalkeeper than Ramsdale & would make a lot of the saves that Ramsdale misses (ones that aren't even right in the corner) look routine. He's able to do this by being more athletic & having a better starting position.

Have a look at Henderson's XGA vs conceded goals. Then look at Ramsdale's. Henderson was worth about 7 goals for us. Ramsdale costs us goals. That has nothing to do with the level of protection provided by the defence.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I can’t agree with this, but only from a statistical point of view Rammers PSxG from shots on target is identical to Henderson’s at 0.30, yet Henderson PSxG was +5.2 in comparison to Ramsdales -2.9. Simply meaning even though both keepers statistically faced the same difficulty of shots on target Henderson out performs ramsdale by 8 goals, in a team that has lost 11 games by one goal it makes a huge difference to points on the board.

An 8 goal swing would almost certainly have us competing in the table, let alone the confidence it would give the other players on top of that. Moot point though as we couldn't keep Henderson.

 

[Guesty]

There's too much maths in this thread...

Is there? Show your working.

 

[Danetheblade]

I can't say I've seen Brian Howard no, and yes the other two were awful shot stoppers as well, but can you honestly say Ramsdale is better on the evidence shown so far?

All goalkeepers, even the worst ones, make SOME saves. Ramsdale doesn't seem to be making any at the moment though, and his diving ability just looks like he's not been trained as a keeper, he's that bad at it.

I really don't enjoy picking fault with young players, and I get the feeling he's the type who it would affect. But it's just so glaring that he has no positives, it has to be said.

When was the last time long played in the premier League? Rammers (for his downsides) has played consistently at a top level. I'd say he's night and day better than those two