Are we next??

[secretchief]

When Leeds were relegated from the Premiership, I remember an article in the paper which made the point that Leeds weren't a 'big' club because big clubs don't get relegated.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Are you an owl? Serious question.

No. Serious answer.

 

[alcoblade]

Well there's no point in continuing the discussion then if you're just going to ignore everything you don't like to hear. You're basically just sticking your fingers in your ears, looking the other way and going "blah blah blah" very loudly because you can't accept the truth.

I'm not ignoring it. I just disagree. It's you who can't accept that.

I'd rate the size of a club based on it's league position, it's financial muscle, its fan base.

You rate it on recent achievement. I counter it that clubs like Oxford have done as much in recent times. You throw in a bunch of near misses from 20 years ago. I point out that Wendy are now a pretty well established third division club. You ignore me and say I'm ignoring you. I smell pork.


That pretty well sums it up....

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[PeterNdlovu081]

I point out that Wendy are now a pretty well established third division club.

Three months in League One makes them a well established third division club? Ok then. I suppose that marvellous logic means that by the same token Blackpool are a well established Premier League club.

 

[Torrix1889]

Make no mistake, we are in relegation form and another 10 matches of this will see us in a relegation battle.

Dropping to the 3rd tier is a distinct possibility.

 

[sitwell]

No. Serious answer.

No Blade I know would wank themselves off about Wendys 'achievements' like you do.

I've got to say Mr 081 having followed your posts on football, politics ,music even TV programmes ,I have never disagreed with anyones views more than you in my whole life. If opposites attract we should get married.

 

[bladesfan]

because big clubs don't get relegated.

Can still remember ManU and Chelsea in the second division but thier just small clubs

Looks like more threads about the grunters than about the Blades. Let them do what they want it does not interest me.

 

[raul]

Might be because I'm not from Sheffield, but you're bang on there bladesfan. It seems for some reason that we can only have our own identity by saying we're not them. This obsessing about what a club we don't even play this season is up to is a nice little bolt hole when we want to pretend all is well with us. It's a bit like being laid up in hospital with a broken leg but pissing yourself because the bloke next door has got two. If the current roles were reversed, I'd suggest they'd be more focussed on going up than lokking down at us, if we truly are the bigger club, we have to broaden our horizons.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't think it's a case of us obsessing about Wendy. It's a thread about being too big to go down, and parallels are being drawn with our nearest and dearest. I's strayed a little from the path, I'd concede....

As an aside, it's very noticeable how these things chime differently with those who live in and around Sheffield, and those more far flung Blades.

In the end, I'd have to agree that it's all a bit pointless (hence the 2 bald men line). In the grand scheme of things we're both non entities and we need to look at what we can become rather than what we've been. But let's not rob ourselves of some good old traditional "footballing" debate.

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[Fiery Blade]

Forget about big club
I can think of thirty to forty clubs who have had success in either the European Cup, First Division (old) now Premier League, FA or League Cup Finals in my lifetime and I have not included the usual suspects of Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Manchester City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea.
In my lifetime the Blades have won bugger all!
Big club don't make me laugh!!!

 

[yorkshirecoast]

• 15 seasons (9 consecutive) in the top flight from 1984 to 2000.
• In 1992 they almost won the League Title finishing just 7 points behind Leeds.
• 1991 League Cup winners.
• 1993 League Cup runners-up.
• 1993 FA Cup runners-up.
• 1993 UEFA Cup participants.

Is that enough?

We all know you are a Pig fan so why do you constantly come on here pretending otherwise? Your pro-Pig comments are often ludicrous - looking for any possible angle, however tenuous, to try to put them in a better light. You've picked out one period in time when the Pigs did relatively well - ignoring the sh!t that came before & after. You also ignore the fact that you've been below us for years, your crowds are smaller & your ground is a rusting sh!t-hole.

Massive my rse. As you say, 9 consecutive seasons in the top flight, including qualifying for europe, and you still could not average 30k - something we did under Warnock despite being relegated.

P!ss off to Fowlstalk and drool over your massive £2m investment and your superb victory against the massive Leyton Orient.

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No Blade I know would wank themselves off about Wendys 'achievements' like you do.

I've got to say Mr 081 having followed your posts on football, politics ,music even TV programmes ,I have never disagreed with anyones views more than you in my whole life. If opposites attract we should get married.

Spot on. But he's not a Blade - he's a Pig living in Dingleland.

 

[lenners]

The bigger picture is a city the size of Sheffield maybe hosting 3rd division derbies again next year which is absolutely disgraceful.
We haven't got a decent club or team between us at the moment, we're a city that punches so far below its weight.
Maybe Wednesday are now beginning to get their act together but generally both clubs are a complete embarrassment.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

The bigger picture is a city the size of Sheffield maybe hosting 3rd division derbies again next year which is absolutely disgraceful.
We haven't got a decent club or team between us at the moment, we're a city that punches so far below its weight.
Maybe Wednesday are now beginning to get their act together but generally both clubs are a complete embarrassment.

I agree with that - apart from the bit about them getting their act together . Both teams have underperformed abysmally for years. But that doesn't excuse someone coming on here, pretending to be a Blade, & spouting absolute drivel to try to big up the Pigs.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

The bigger picture is a city the size of Sheffield maybe hosting 3rd division derbies again next year which is absolutely disgraceful.
We haven't got a decent club or team between us at the moment, we're a city that punches so far below its weight.

You could equally substitute 'Bristol' for 'Sheffield'

Maybe Wednesday are now beginning to get their act together...

I think that is disputable Len. Apart from the 'saviour' deal not yet being done, we are yet to see the numbers and terms that will apply to them, and the management, and all following its conclusion. I know its in your nature to predict the rise of SWFC in the same way that you can't help yourself from predicting the demise of SUFC, but both of these things are yet to be seen...

 

[lenners]

You could equally substitute 'Bristol' for 'Sheffield'



I think that is disputable Len. Apart from the 'saviour' deal not yet being done, we are yet to see the numbers and terms that will apply to them, and the management, and all following its conclusion. I know its in your nature to predict the rise of SWFC in the same way that you can't help yourself from predicting the demise of SUFC, but both of these things are yet to be seen...

Bristol isn't as big as Sheffield and neither club has any tradition or history comparable to either Sheffield club.
It's a failure as a football city but they tend to like different shaped balls down that way in any case.
As for Wednesday, I did say maybe.

 

[raul]

I know its in your nature to predict the rise of SWFC in the same way that you can't help yourself from predicting the demise of SUFC, but both of these things are yet to be seen...

Much in the same way your predictions in the reverse have too?

 

[Ollessendro]

Thought i'd ask this on the back of the "can we still challenge for promotion" post. I have to ask the question are we going to be the next big club to drop into the 3rd tier of the english league? Will we follow in the foot steps of Norwich, Southampton, Weeds and Forest clubs who have spent many years in the top 2 leagues but dropped down in recent years. One thing i do know we are not to big to go down.

It is a very real danger that we will be playing 3rd tier football next season. A lot of people are saying we will turn things around, but there is no evidence that we will. We have seen little or no signs that things will improve. Our squad is too thin, lacks quality, lacks creativity and flair and has no real dnager or threat. That means we are in trouble. Not only that, but (as I said in my it's time to start panicking thread) looking at the teams around us makes me nervous. Other than Scunthorpe (who beat us) I can't think of a team that is notably worse than us. I think Palace and Leicester will get it together and other teams around us are no worse than us (e.g. Pompey, Boro and Preston).

Actually this is exactly the sort of season that a club, perceived by its fans to be, too good to go down gets sucked into the mire and finds it really difficult to struggle out of it. Seen it all before. If the scoring element doesn't pick up pronto then we are royally screwed.

Other teams in and around us - with the exception of Palace (although they have managed a 4 goal haul in one game) have improved whereas we appear to be static. The tactics are negative and we create few chances. Whilst that persists the outcome will be the same as it has for the first 11 games of the season.

It's alright working hard. Just see no evidence of us working smart.
Setting up every game with tactics geared to a defensive, rearguard action whilst looking to counter attack only works if you have players with pace and ability. We don't have that style of player, consequently the best we can hope for is a point in a draw but one mistake leads to that being blown out of the water - as has happened several times already this season.

Top post Kenny. I've no qualm with us losing, provided we've gone out to win the game. Ths was one of my main bone's with Blackwell and Speed has carried it on. Yes we are not very good, but let's go out there and try to win. Attack from the 1st minute. At home we could beat teams as there is a lot of dross in this division.

The bigger picture is a city the size of Sheffield maybe hosting 3rd division derbies again next year which is absolutely disgraceful.
We haven't got a decent club or team between us at the moment, we're a city that punches so far below its weight.
Maybe Wednesday are now beginning to get their act together but generally both clubs are a complete embarrassment.

Absolutely spot on Len. Football in Sheffield is in a shocking state at the moment. Many Blades take great pride in finishing above Wednesday for the last 10 years (which is always nice) but personally I'm a bit embarrassed that we are were we are. Big club, big crowds, great city but crap football, under achievement and being taken for a ride is more associated with SUFC in my view.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Much in the same way your predictions in the reverse have too?

I dont really make predictions. I am aware of these possibility that we could be heading for a season of immense disaster, but I do keep my mind open to the possibility that we are not infact 'shit' and that the outcome of the season could well be better than some would have us believe. I do occasionally point out this contrary and more positive view, but I have kind of given up getting into those discussions now.

I'm not some kind of apologist for the pigs either. I dont care if they were winning the Champions League in front of 75,000 every week. They are pigs. SUFC is the better club with the better supporters and always will be...

 

[Ollessendro]

Nothing is impossible, but as unlikely as it is that we will get automatic promotion, we are equally unlikely to end up going down. This is not based on my normal cheery feelings, but simply that we have a squad that is plenty good enough to be comfortable in this league. We will need to get going soon, but there are 36 games left...

Dunc, I wonder if you can drop your pathetic get out clause for when you are losing an argument .... erm I mean signature 'I don't argue with idiots' for a moment and answer a couple of questions:

- which teams in the division do you think are significantly worse than us?

- from watching us this season, what evidence do you see that we will get better?

- in our current squad, which players are the one's that make up this 'plenty good enough' comment you made?

 

[alcoblade]

Dunc, I wonder if you can drop your pathetic get out clause for when you are losing an argument .... erm I mean signature 'I don't argue with idiots' for a moment and answer a couple of questions:

- which teams in the division do you think are significantly worse than us?

- from watching us this season, what evidence do you see that we will get better?

- in our current squad, which players are the one's that make up this 'plenty good enough' comment you made?

Can I have a go?


"- which teams in the division do you think are significantly worse than us? "

I think it's just about as even as it's ever been. Most teams are much of a muchness and a bit of form / momentum is all it takes to separate them. So not many much worse, but not actually that many much better.

"- from watching us this season, what evidence do you see that we will get better? "

Not a lot. But it doesn't always take much for things to start rolling. See my comment below.

"- in our current squad, which players are the one's that make up this 'plenty good enough' comment you made? "

Very few of the first team don't look good enough. Evans, France, Taylor aren't good enough. The rest are decent championship players. It's the blend that is wrong overall.


Don't take my points as an argument that everything is rosey. It clearly isn't. But a creative midfielder and a decent striker (or Boggy taking the reigns) is all it takes. What's alarming is without it, we'll struggle to score and will be in trouble. What's more, the ongoing lack of investment is starting to catch up, with some ageing players starting to go past their peak. It's now the failue of McCabe's policies are being exposed and I just hope he feels enough responsibiulity to do "something" about it.

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I dont care if they were winning the Champions League in front of 75,000 every week.

Now let's all be honest. We do.



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[Highbury_Blade]

I've only included the players that are actually ours (all the loanees are good enough IMO)

Simmo - Good Enough
Morgan - Good Enough
Ward - Good Enough
Britton - Good Enough
Yeates - Good Enough
Ward - Good Enough
Evans - Good Enough
Henderson - Good Enough
Montgomery - Good Enough
Williamson - Good Enough
Cresswell - Good Enough
Jordan - Good Enough

We've got plenty of players that are good enough. The problem is a lack of players that are a bit special.

 

[Sensiblade]

I've only included the players that are actually ours (all the loanees are good enough IMO)

Simmo - Good Enough
Morgan - Good Enough
Ward - Good Enough
Britton - Good Enough
Yeates - Good Enough
Ward - Good Enough
Evans - Good Enough
Henderson - Good Enough
Montgomery - Good Enough
Williamson - Good Enough
Cresswell - Good Enough
Jordan - Good Enough

We've got plenty of players that are good enough. The problem is a lack of players that are a bit special.

Queue one or more posters editing your list in an 'unpredictable' way.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Dunc, I wonder if you can drop your pathetic get out clause for when you are losing an argument .... erm I mean signature 'I don't argue with idiots' for a moment and answer a couple of questions:

- which teams in the division do you think are significantly worse than us?

- from watching us this season, what evidence do you see that we will get better?

- in our current squad, which players are the one's that make up this 'plenty good enough' comment you made?

Lets start on the basic premise that my views are as valid as yours. Believe me, if we are going to compare pathetic internet signatures I think you give me some stiff competition. For the record I do not 'get out of argument' but I refuse to continue when the other person is just here to dig themselves deeper into an entrenched position, or to stroke their own fur in front of an assembled audience. I am not here to 'educate' anyone.

In answer to your questions. The teams in this league are broadly of a similar standard. With the possible exception of QPR and Cardiff, there isn't more than a 5% difference between the rest. The results show this to be the case, with anyone really being able to beat anyone on their day. A run of a few results would be enough for us, or anyone around us to get well up the table. Only 7 points between play-offs and relegation zone, but then we have only played 8 out of 46 games, not 38. Looking at last seasons table, was there any massive difference between us in 8th and Bristol City, Derby, Boro, Coventry, Preston, Watford, Ipswich, Barnsley, and other teams who finished in the mid table below us? I dont think there was. Peterborough was the team we could all nail as being 'poor' after selling their goal scorers, but this season no team stands out as being particularly poor, despite what you seemingly try to prove. You talk of Portsmouth, Leicester, Bristol City as if they are just about to hit form and streak past us, but you are blind to the possibility that we may also find form ourselves.

What evidence do you see that we will get worse? We've changed the style, not massively, but enough, and for spells in games we've looked a decent side, and a battling side. We haven't had the luck in front of goal, but it really is hyping it up to claim that we are a nailed on cert for relegation. We have improved in a few positions from last year. I know they are loans (season long) but Jordon and Calve are both better than what we had after Walker had gone back. I dont think we have quite worked out a formation where Britton and Ertle are used to their best effect, but they are both improvements too. Despite the lack of goals Boggy gives us three strikers in the squad who scored 15 goals a piece in the Championship last season. Are they shit, or are they struggling for form? I prefer to believe the latter. They've done it before.

Players who are 'Plenty Good enough' for a mid table Championship side? Simmondsen, Jordon, Bartley, Nos, Morgs, Monty, Britton, Ertle, Calve, Quinn S., Cresswell, Henderson (when fit), Boggy, Yeates, Williamson (when fit), Ward. Dont think I've missed one. I have question marks against Kozzy, not what he once was, Evans who I think mentally, the longer it goes on, the less likely that it will come good for him, and Taylor who shows flashes of a decent player but is undone too easily. I am not rating the likes of Lowton, Slew, Chappell and James as they are for next season and beyond. Thats 16 players who would fit into any other mid-table side and a few who would fit into a side with aspirations of play-offs and better. When we get a formation that they can deliver their best, and most importantly a bit of confidence in them, I can easily see us being comfortable.

Its down to Speedo and the coaches to get it right, and get us going. If they can't, then we may find outselves with a battle on to stay in the division. We all know its a possibility but there is no point in fretting about it at this stage with more than 80% of games still to be played...

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

We all know you are a Pig fan so why do you constantly come on here pretending otherwise? Your pro-Pig comments are often ludicrous - looking for any possible angle, however tenuous, to try to put them in a better light. You've picked out one period in time when the Pigs did relatively well - ignoring the sh!t that came before & after. You also ignore the fact that you've been below us for years, your crowds are smaller & your ground is a rusting sh!t-hole.

Massive my rse. As you say, 9 consecutive seasons in the top flight, including qualifying for europe, and you still could not average 30k - something we did under Warnock despite being relegated.

P!ss off to Fowlstalk and drool over your massive £2m investment and your superb victory against the massive Leyton Orient.

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Spot on. But he's not a Blade - he's a Pig living in Dingleland.

It doesn't matter how many times you keep saying I'm a Wednesday fan, it doesn't make it true. I'm a Sheffield United fan whether you like it or not. I've had a season ticket for over ten years and I'll be there against Burnley on saturday.

 

[Come from away]

Lets start on the basic premise that my views are as valid as yours. Believe me, if we are going to compare pathetic internet signatures I think you give me some stiff competition. For the record I do not 'get out of argument' but I refuse to continue when the other person is just here to dig themselves deeper into an entrenched position, or to stroke their own fur in front of an assembled audience. I am not here to 'educate' anyone.

In answer to your questions. The teams in this league are broadly of a similar standard. With the possible exception of QPR and Cardiff, there isn't more than a 5% difference between the rest. The results show this to be the case, with anyone really being able to beat anyone on their day. A run of a few results would be enough for us, or anyone around us to get well up the table. Only 7 points between play-offs and relegation zone, but then we have only played 8 out of 46 games, not 38. Looking at last seasons table, was there any massive difference between us in 8th and Bristol City, Derby, Boro, Coventry, Preston, Watford, Ipswich, Barnsley, and other teams who finished in the mid table below us? I dont think there was. Peterborough was the team we could all nail as being 'poor' after selling their goal scorers, but this season no team stands out as being particularly poor, despite what you seemingly try to prove. You talk of Portsmouth, Leicester, Bristol City as if they are just about to hit form and streak past us, but you are blind to the possibility that we may also find form ourselves.

What evidence do you see that we will get worse? We've changed the style, not massively, but enough, and for spells in games we've looked a decent side, and a battling side. We haven't had the luck in front of goal, but it really is hyping it up to claim that we are a nailed on cert for relegation. We have improved in a few positions from last year. I know they are loans (season long) but Jordon and Calve are both better than what we had after Walker had gone back. I dont think we have quite worked out a formation where Britton and Ertle are used to their best effect, but they are both improvements too. Despite the lack of goals Boggy gives us three strikers in the squad who scored 15 goals a piece in the Championship last season. Are they shit, or are they struggling for form? I prefer to believe the latter. They've done it before.

Players who are 'Plenty Good enough' for a mid table Championship side? Simmondsen, Jordon, Bartley, Nos, Morgs, Monty, Britton, Ertle, Calve, Quinn S., Cresswell, Henderson (when fit), Boggy, Yeates, Williamson (when fit), Ward. Dont think I've missed one. I have question marks against Kozzy, not what he once was, Evans who I think mentally, the longer it goes on, the less likely that it will come good for him, and Taylor who shows flashes of a decent player but is undone too easily. I am not rating the likes of Lowton, Slew, Chappell and James as they are for next season and beyond. Thats 16 players who would fit into any other mid-table side and a few who would fit into a side with aspirations of play-offs and better. When we get a formation that they can deliver their best, and most importantly a bit of confidence in them, I can easily see us being comfortable.

Its down to Speedo and the coaches to get it right, and get us going. If they can't, then we may find outselves with a battle on to stay in the division. We all know its a possibility but there is no point in fretting about it at this stage with more than 80% of games still to be played...

No thank-you button, but liked it so much I thought it worth repeating. I type too slow to put a page together but I would echo your assessment of where we are right now. Not sure how well QPR/Cardiff will grind it out in winter, but don't think we are close to the seeing the top six (end of season) at the top of the league right now.

 

[Micalijo]

Lets start on the basic premise that my views are as valid as yours. Believe me, if we are going to compare pathetic internet signatures I think you give me some stiff competition. For the record I do not 'get out of argument' but I refuse to continue when the other person is just here to dig themselves deeper into an entrenched position, or to stroke their own fur in front of an assembled audience. I am not here to 'educate' anyone.

In answer to your questions. The teams in this league are broadly of a similar standard. With the possible exception of QPR and Cardiff, there isn't more than a 5% difference between the rest. The results show this to be the case, with anyone really being able to beat anyone on their day. A run of a few results would be enough for us, or anyone around us to get well up the table. Only 7 points between play-offs and relegation zone, but then we have only played 8 out of 46 games, not 38. Looking at last seasons table, was there any massive difference between us in 8th and Bristol City, Derby, Boro, Coventry, Preston, Watford, Ipswich, Barnsley, and other teams who finished in the mid table below us? I dont think there was. Peterborough was the team we could all nail as being 'poor' after selling their goal scorers, but this season no team stands out as being particularly poor, despite what you seemingly try to prove. You talk of Portsmouth, Leicester, Bristol City as if they are just about to hit form and streak past us, but you are blind to the possibility that we may also find form ourselves.

What evidence do you see that we will get worse? We've changed the style, not massively, but enough, and for spells in games we've looked a decent side, and a battling side. We haven't had the luck in front of goal, but it really is hyping it up to claim that we are a nailed on cert for relegation. We have improved in a few positions from last year. I know they are loans (season long) but Jordon and Calve are both better than what we had after Walker had gone back. I dont think we have quite worked out a formation where Britton and Ertle are used to their best effect, but they are both improvements too. Despite the lack of goals Boggy gives us three strikers in the squad who scored 15 goals a piece in the Championship last season. Are they shit, or are they struggling for form? I prefer to believe the latter. They've done it before.

Players who are 'Plenty Good enough' for a mid table Championship side? Simmondsen, Jordon, Bartley, Nos, Morgs, Monty, Britton, Ertle, Calve, Quinn S., Cresswell, Henderson (when fit), Boggy, Yeates, Williamson (when fit), Ward. Dont think I've missed one. I have question marks against Kozzy, not what he once was, Evans who I think mentally, the longer it goes on, the less likely that it will come good for him, and Taylor who shows flashes of a decent player but is undone too easily. I am not rating the likes of Lowton, Slew, Chappell and James as they are for next season and beyond. Thats 16 players who would fit into any other mid-table side and a few who would fit into a side with aspirations of play-offs and better. When we get a formation that they can deliver their best, and most importantly a bit of confidence in them, I can easily see us being comfortable.

Its down to Speedo and the coaches to get it right, and get us going. If they can't, then we may find outselves with a battle on to stay in the division. We all know its a possibility but there is no point in fretting about it at this stage with more than 80% of games still to be played...

All this from a man who thinks the Sheffield clubs should be compared with Bristol in football terms. As such, very hard to take anything you say seriously from now on - decent contribution though.

We don't need to get worse to go down. We need to score more goals to stay up. What are the potential formations that could make us score a few goals? I honestly think you live in a fanatsy land where SUFC are concerned at the moment. My view is that Speed could coach em for 24 hours a day and try every possible formation but without pace and creativity there is no real hope. Individually a few opf those players might slot into a better side in our tiwer but collectively as we now know they are shockingly bad.

I don't think there'll be a 3rd tier derby next year but that's not because I think we have the required attributes to stay up.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

It doesn't matter how many times you keep saying I'm a Wednesday fan, it doesn't make it true. I'm a Sheffield United fan whether you like it or not. I've had a season ticket for over ten years and I'll be there against Burnley on saturday.

Hilarious. You sad , sad Pig.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

All this from a man who thinks the Sheffield clubs should be compared with Bristol in football terms. As such, very hard to take anything you say seriously from now on - decent contribution though..

Len seemed to be suggesting that Sheffield is the only major city with two underachieving football teams, and by inference that it is 'our fault' by some mechanism not well defined, like we dont want success enough. Bristol is similar but physically smaller than Sheffield, and the similarity is two under-achieving football teams. You could, apart from the Clough era, say the same of Nottingham. I didn't think anyone took anything I say seriously before, so the loss of credibility from your persective doesn't sting too much.

We don't need to get worse to go down. We need to score more goals to stay up. What are the potential formations that could make us score a few goals?

We need to score more. Well thats a given. Will Speed find the answer? I hope so and I trust him to. Like I've said before I wouldn't pit my footballing wits against Speed when it comes to coaching and managing a side. I'm happy to leave it to him. One thing I do know is that this line that 'its impossible' is just a load of horse-shit. When I think back through my sales career, at some of the deals and contracts I won I would say that 30 or so, about two out of a dozen deals I'd do each year, were unlikely, and in 7 cases I pulled a real rabbit out of the hat, winning some deal that everyone had written off as impossible. So you see I dont believe in 'impossible'. If you have the talent, the timing and the tenacity, you can make anything happen. People who say it can't be done are often interrupted by someone who is already doing it.

I honestly think you live in a fanatsy land where SUFC are concerned at the moment...

...because, what? I wont join you lot sitting on the window ledge, or over analyse our failings. Because I'm happy to let the appointed guy get on with doing what he is here to do?

I've explained my philosophy before, but here it comes again. There are three types of shit.

1. My Shit - Stuff that I have to take responsibility for and deal with. My family, my wife and our marriage, my business. Stuff that I have to act on or make decisions about.

2. Shit that might become My Shit - Things that are happening to the above group of people which should be dealt with by someone else, but which might escalate or go critical or simply aren't dealt with by the person who should be doing it, and I need to step in with an action, or decision, or sometimes just some advice or steering that will enable someone else to deal with the shit without me having to.

3. Shit that is nothing to do with me - The economy, the choice of Prime Minister, Global Warming, the fortunes of Sheffield United Football Club. This shit is not mine, nor do I have involvement close enough that I would either have influence through my advice, or that I would ever have to leap in with an action or a decision to save the day.

In my life I have plenty of the first, 'My Shit' to deal with. I have plenty of the second 'Shit that might (and does) become My Shit' to deal with. The third I am perfectly happy to let someone else deal with. I might be affected by the consequences of the third, like having to find new ways to make a living, or the disappointment of having to watch my team in a lower division, but it is not my problem to worry about formations this and that and who should play up front. My views are utterly and completely irrelevant. If, and its a big if, we do happen to get ourselves relegated, It will be a bitter disappointment, but its not the end of the world. I will still be able to turn up to BDTBL and see my team play. I've seen them in the third and fourth divisions before and it didnt kill me.

Accusing me of being somehow detached from reality is just hilarious Mic...

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Hilarious. You sad , sad Pig.

What's hilarious?

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I class any team who has played in the PL is the last 5-10 years a big club.

dp come off it mate. Like Bob says.....do you class the likes of Watford and Charlton etc. as big clubs?

All this oooh they're a big club bollocks is just that. You're as big and as good as where you are. This is the thing both United and Wednesday.....even Leeds for that matter, have to get out of our heads. We're not big clubs! Manchester United, Real Madrid, Arsenal, AC Milan etc. are big clubs. Everyone outside the European elite are a bunch of dreamers..........

Potential means nothing. League position, finances and falling ticket sales as a result of relegation MEAN EVERYTHING.

As for us, no I dont think we will go down. Can we? Yes, every possibility. We cant score and have a horribly unbalanced midfield. If you cant hit the back of the net you're certainly not going to move upwards thats for sure. So which way is left to go?

All things considered and having faith in Speedo, I think we'll be ok.