Silent Blade
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14/6/1970
Quarter Finals
England 2 (Mullery, Peters) West Germany 3 (Beckenbauer, Seeler, Muller)
Brazil 4 (Rivelino, Tostao 2, Jairzinho) Peru 2 (Gallardo, Cubillas)
Mexico 1 (Gonzalez) Italy 4 (Guzman o.g, Riva 2, Rivera)
Soviet Union 0 Uruguay 1 (Esparrago)
I recall reading in the morning papers that the only time in history Germany/West Germany had beaten England was in 1968.
Not sure why the family didnt travel to my grandmother's in Shiregreen as we usually did after Sunday lunch but anyway I watched the match at home with my dad. I remember my granduncle Chris (the closest to a grandfather I have known as both my grandfathers died before I was born) popping in my house, after walking from the other side of Dronfield valley, to drop off his football coupons (my dad was a pools collector for Littlewoods and Vernons) before heading off to the Mason Arms. He said to me "England will win 2-0!"
From the 1966 World Cup final teams, George Cohen had retired through injury in 1968 and Keith Newton gets the number 2 shirt, Ray Wilson last played for England in 1968 and the number 3 shirt went to Terry Cooper. Roger Hunt last played for England in 1969 and Francis Lee gets his place. Nobby Stiles (Alan Mullery in his place) and Jack Charlton (Brian Labone) were part of the 1970 World Cup squad but have become back up players. The rest (Gordon Banks, Bobby Moore, Alan Ball , Martin Peters and Geoff Hurst) were all expected to start the quarter final match but as the teams came out of the tunnel to go on the pitch, my dad and I were shocked to see Peter Bonetti playing in goal and then the commentator mentioned that Banks had got ill and got ruled out of the match.
For West Germany , Hans Tilkowski last played in 1967 and Sepp Maier gets his place, Lothar Emmerich played only 5 games for West Germany in 1966, played in the World Cup final but was never picked again, Hannes Lohr gets the left winger spot. Horst Hotteges, Karl-Heinz Schnellinger, Wolfgang Overath, Franz Beckenbauer and Uwe Seeler (also played in 1958 and 1962 World cups) were the 5 from the 1966 team that started the 1970 match. Willi Schulz, the sweeper in 1966, came on as sub in 1970 after half time replacing Hotteges. Siggi Held, Helmut Haller (had injuries prior to the 1970 finals) and Wolfgang Weber were the three from the 1966 team that were back up players in 1970. The new players (along with Maier and Lohr) were Klaus Fichtel, Berti Vogts, Reinhard Libuda and Gerd Muller.
A few years ago I watched the whole match on you tube (video now no longer available) and there were interesting observations. We were easily the better side and should have won the match after 90 minutes. I have seen criticisms of the decision to take off Bobby Charlton and many thought it had happened when we were winning 2-0 but that is incorrect because he was taken off after Beckenbauer pulled a goal back. In that you tube video I could see signs of Charlton not having much energy left to last the final 20 minutes. His replacement Colin Bell was a fit and energetic player and gave problems to the Germans, I thought he was England's best player for the rest of the game including extra time. Yes, Bonetti should have stopped Beckenbauer's shot but he did make some good saves in the match. The biggest turning points were Uwe Seeler's equaliser and the introduction of sub Jurgen Grabowki (on for Libuda). I still am debating whether Seeler's equaliser was a well executed back header (that went over Bonetti and dipped quickly under the bar) or a complete fluke. I thought Brian Labone was England's worst player as his poor clearance went straight to Schnellinger who then hit long for Seeler's equaliser and as for Muller's winner, Labone was ball watching.
I was really upset at the defeat and cried although I now do not have the same strong feelings for England as I did in 1970.
Quarter Finals
England 2 (Mullery, Peters) West Germany 3 (Beckenbauer, Seeler, Muller)
Brazil 4 (Rivelino, Tostao 2, Jairzinho) Peru 2 (Gallardo, Cubillas)
Mexico 1 (Gonzalez) Italy 4 (Guzman o.g, Riva 2, Rivera)
Soviet Union 0 Uruguay 1 (Esparrago)
I recall reading in the morning papers that the only time in history Germany/West Germany had beaten England was in 1968.
Not sure why the family didnt travel to my grandmother's in Shiregreen as we usually did after Sunday lunch but anyway I watched the match at home with my dad. I remember my granduncle Chris (the closest to a grandfather I have known as both my grandfathers died before I was born) popping in my house, after walking from the other side of Dronfield valley, to drop off his football coupons (my dad was a pools collector for Littlewoods and Vernons) before heading off to the Mason Arms. He said to me "England will win 2-0!"
From the 1966 World Cup final teams, George Cohen had retired through injury in 1968 and Keith Newton gets the number 2 shirt, Ray Wilson last played for England in 1968 and the number 3 shirt went to Terry Cooper. Roger Hunt last played for England in 1969 and Francis Lee gets his place. Nobby Stiles (Alan Mullery in his place) and Jack Charlton (Brian Labone) were part of the 1970 World Cup squad but have become back up players. The rest (Gordon Banks, Bobby Moore, Alan Ball , Martin Peters and Geoff Hurst) were all expected to start the quarter final match but as the teams came out of the tunnel to go on the pitch, my dad and I were shocked to see Peter Bonetti playing in goal and then the commentator mentioned that Banks had got ill and got ruled out of the match.
For West Germany , Hans Tilkowski last played in 1967 and Sepp Maier gets his place, Lothar Emmerich played only 5 games for West Germany in 1966, played in the World Cup final but was never picked again, Hannes Lohr gets the left winger spot. Horst Hotteges, Karl-Heinz Schnellinger, Wolfgang Overath, Franz Beckenbauer and Uwe Seeler (also played in 1958 and 1962 World cups) were the 5 from the 1966 team that started the 1970 match. Willi Schulz, the sweeper in 1966, came on as sub in 1970 after half time replacing Hotteges. Siggi Held, Helmut Haller (had injuries prior to the 1970 finals) and Wolfgang Weber were the three from the 1966 team that were back up players in 1970. The new players (along with Maier and Lohr) were Klaus Fichtel, Berti Vogts, Reinhard Libuda and Gerd Muller.
A few years ago I watched the whole match on you tube (video now no longer available) and there were interesting observations. We were easily the better side and should have won the match after 90 minutes. I have seen criticisms of the decision to take off Bobby Charlton and many thought it had happened when we were winning 2-0 but that is incorrect because he was taken off after Beckenbauer pulled a goal back. In that you tube video I could see signs of Charlton not having much energy left to last the final 20 minutes. His replacement Colin Bell was a fit and energetic player and gave problems to the Germans, I thought he was England's best player for the rest of the game including extra time. Yes, Bonetti should have stopped Beckenbauer's shot but he did make some good saves in the match. The biggest turning points were Uwe Seeler's equaliser and the introduction of sub Jurgen Grabowki (on for Libuda). I still am debating whether Seeler's equaliser was a well executed back header (that went over Bonetti and dipped quickly under the bar) or a complete fluke. I thought Brian Labone was England's worst player as his poor clearance went straight to Schnellinger who then hit long for Seeler's equaliser and as for Muller's winner, Labone was ball watching.
I was really upset at the defeat and cried although I now do not have the same strong feelings for England as I did in 1970.
