Coronavirus - a real season spoiling threat?

[SB_90]

It will cause serious problems for lower league clubs playing behind closed doors,not so much for premier league clubs

it will cause severe cash flow problems for lower league clubs if the season is paused too.

yes but if its behind closed doors. the same will happen to lower league clubs. because if its paused they £0. if its BCD - they get £0. so they get nothing either way & would go to the wall either way

it would be unprecedented. but then what isnt in this time. premier league & FA has enough money they just sold 9billion of tv money in last 2 deals. would normally give £120m a side in PL . 1% of that would keep the lower league teams afloat

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

yes but if its behind closed doors. the same will happen to lower league clubs. because if its paused they £0. if its BCD - they get £0.

it would be unprecedented. but then what isnt in this time. premier league & FA has enough money they just sold 9billion of tv money in last 2 deals. would normally give £120m a side in PL . 1% of that would keep the lower league teams afloat

which has no bearing on whether the season is paused or if it’s played out behind closed doors.

 

[MullFonty]

So can factory workers, construction workers, hospital staff, transport workers stay at home for 2 weeks and get paid or only office staff?

Not sure mate

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

I’d back myself to overcome the 0.5% risk of catching it followed by a 0.2% risk of death. pathetic draconian measures being put in place with zero grounds to do so. If you have an existing condition or you’re over a certain age then use common sense and don’t go, or go if you want to it’s completely up to you. But there’s absolutely no reason for the vast majority to not do so.

 

[wavy-blade]

Boris Johnson calls emergency COBRA meeting to rule on shutting schools, banning football matches and telling everyone to work from home as UK moves from trying to 'contain' virus to 'delaying' it - after eighth patient dies

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

So can factory workers, construction workers, hospital staff, transport workers stay at home for 2 weeks and get paid or only office staff?

it’s not like office staff or sitting at home with their feet up all day, but they will will get to wank on the company dime.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I’d back myself to overcome the 0.5% risk of catching it followed by a 0.2% risk of death. pathetic draconian measures being put in place with zero grounds to do so. If you have an existing condition or you’re over a certain age then use common sense and don’t go, or go if you want to it’s completely up to you. But there’s absolutely no reason for the vast majority to not do so.

You may not die from it but you could suffer from it and put strain on health services. What part of this are you struggling with?

 

[MullFonty]

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I dont understand the thing about 0.4 percent chance of catching it. Maybe when it was in china but as it spreads clearly that percent will go up . I just think we should all have the best info and not get complacent so we can all be safer

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I’d back myself to overcome the 0.5% risk of catching it followed by a 0.2% risk of death. pathetic draconian measures being put in place with zero grounds to do so. If you have an existing condition or you’re over a certain age then use common sense and don’t go, or go if you want to it’s completely up to you. But there’s absolutely no reason for the vast majority to not do so.

Where are you getting that 0.5% from Kiddo?
I remember a time when only one person in the World had CoronaVirus. Out of a global population of 7.5 billion. That's a lot lot less than 0.5% isn't it?

 

[Linz]

Government take advice from phe and some workplaces are being advised by phe to take in turns working from home

Unless you work for a University, whose VCs have told the Government that it's "impossible" to close.

 

[ChrisBlade]

Again, the death rate increases once medical services that regularly ensure survival under a certain age are not available. A guy over 50 does survive if he has access to a ventilator. If 35 guys over fifty need ventilating, but you only have ten machines, the rate of death increases overall and the death rate in the age bands shifts.

That is what Italy currently experiences.

 

[ThatJa]

Life is about to change. Games behind closed doors, pubs banned from showing games is just the start.

And it'll be back in the autumn too.

Only when it comes back, its highly likely there will be a vaccine in place ready for it. Which would absolutely mean it wouldn't be at current levels.

 

[ThatJa]

Where are you getting that 0.5% from Kiddo?
I remember a time when only one person in the World had CoronaVirus. Out of a global population of 7.5 billion. That's a lot lot less than 0.5% isn't it?

That's not how the 0.5% is determind. You don't include the entire population in that figure. You only include the people that are confirmed to have it.

Right now that confirmed figure is 126,144 and the death toll being 4,627.

This is still incredibly skewed because of the amount of people being tested, and all different methods of testing + the fact results aren't instant and take 24-48hours. Therefor if they test 500,000 people and say 100,000 of these have the virus at the time of testing, we don't actually find that out until results come back 24-48hr, which means the death rate is probably closer to 10% than the current reported 6%.

 

[HammerInPeace]

Again, the death rate increases once medical services that regularly ensure survival under a certain age are not available. A guy over 50 does survive if he has access to a ventilator.

Lucky they're not sold in shops.
Stupid, greedy cunts would have emptied those shelves, as well..

 

[MullFonty]

That's not how the 0.5% is determind. You don't include the entire population in that figure. You only include the people that are confirmed to have it.

Right now that confirmed figure is 126,144 and the death toll being 4,627.

This is still incredibly skewed because of the amount of people being tested, and all different methods of testing + the fact results aren't instant and take 24-48hours. Therefor if they test 500,000 people and say 100,000 of these have the virus at the time of testing, we don't actually find that out until results come back 24-48hr, which means the death rate is probably closer to 10% than the current reported 6%.

If there are an additional 100 ,000 people with the virus you don 't yet know about , the true death rate percentage is less , not more . Though it is a death rate compared to active cases , not people who have recovered and so some of those still fighting the disease will die . Compare deaths to recovered and obviously the fatality rate rises

 

[A Storm of Blades]

That's not how the 0.5% is determind. You don't include the entire population in that figure. You only include the people that are confirmed to have it.

Right now that confirmed figure is 126,144 and the death toll being 4,627.

This is still incredibly skewed because of the amount of people being tested, and all different methods of testing + the fact results aren't instant and take 24-48hours. Therefor if they test 500,000 people and say 100,000 of these have the virus at the time of testing, we don't actually find that out until results come back 24-48hr, which means the death rate is probably closer to 10% than the current reported 6%.

The infectious diseases think tank at Johns Hopkins estimates an upper threshold of 0.6%. No credible sources are saying anything close to 6% let alone 10%.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Only when it comes back, its highly likely there will be a vaccine in place ready for it. Which would absolutely mean it wouldn't be at current levels.

Highly unlikely a worldwide vaccine will be ready for everyone in October! Natural resistance might be better

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Again, the death rate increases once medical services that regularly ensure survival under a certain age are not available. A guy over 50 does survive if he has access to a ventilator. If 35 guys over fifty need ventilating, but you only have ten machines, the rate of death increases overall and the death rate in the age bands shifts.

That is what Italy currently experiences.

And young children with Cancer, Diabetes, Blood Pressure, Asthma are more likely to die. NOT because they have CoronaVirus. But, because they can't get the hospital beds, ventilators, doctors, nurses, ambulances they need - which are all clogged up with people who do have CoronaVirus.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I’d back myself to overcome the 0.5% risk of catching it followed by a 0.2% risk of death. pathetic draconian measures being put in place with zero grounds to do so. If you have an existing condition or you’re over a certain age then use common sense and don’t go, or go if you want to it’s completely up to you. But there’s absolutely no reason for the vast majority to not do so.

You'd be killing Tony Currie if you did that. What sort of Blade would willingly do that? You Monster....

 

[Bladepicker]

The infectious diseases think tank at Johns Hopkins estimates an upper threshold of 0.6%. No credible sources are saying anything close to 6% let alone 10%.

Regular readers the forum will know that
JL94x4 has never been a credible source

 

[Superblades]

Right then, everyone up for cans on South Stand car park and creating an atmosphere for players for home games

It’s quite surreal what is going off at the minute and it seems to be getting worse.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

And young children with Cancer, Diabetes, Blood Pressure, Asthma are more likely to die. NOT because they have CoronaVirus. But, because they can't get the hospital beds, ventilators, doctors, nurses, ambulances they need - which are all clogged up with people who do have CoronaVirus.

That’s why the Government is likely going to move to containment so as to flatten the curve. Accepting that significant infection rates are inevitable but trying to spread them over a longer period and minimise a large spike in cases that the health service can’t cope with.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

The Times reporting football is to be played behind closed doors (over in the states they just cancelled the rest of the NBA season). We may have already seen the last game of the season with supporters present?

Article:

Games to be played behind closed doors as part of coronavirus crisis plan

All football matches in England will be played behind closed doors under government plans to combat coronavirus that could be triggered as early as today.

A meeting of the government’s Cobra committee this morning is expected to move its response to the pandemic from the “contain” phase to the “delay” phase. That will result in a crisis plan being unveiled for football. The Times can reveal:

● The current season will not be postponed and instead matches in the Premier League and lower divisions will be moved behind closed doors;

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes;

● No games will be shown in pubs so as to avoid congregation of people;

● Premier League games will not be shown live in the 3pm slot on Saturday afternoons;

● Broadcasters will be permitted to screen more than one Premier League game during both the lunchtime and tea-time television slots on Saturday, and the scheduled slots on Sundays and Mondays; and

● Season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games at Football League clubs will be allowed to watch matches on iFollow streams.

The plan may be implemented once the number of UK coronavirus cases passes 500. Last night it stood at 460.

The dramatic moves are seen as the only potential way to end the present season in light of the growing coronavirus crisis in England and the growing possibility of the country being moved to the delay phase.

The government has been in discussion with the Premier League, the Football League and the Football Association about what can be done. The uncertainty over how the virus will develop and how long it will last are seen as reasons why English football will not be temporarily postponed. The forthcoming Euros also present a problem to the Premier League as to when this season would actually finish and how it could impact upon future campaigns.

Sporting integrity has been cited as a major factor in moving against the possibility of cancelling the season outright, although smaller clubs who are more reliant on gate receipts are worried about the financial implications of matches without ticket sales.

However, there are huge penalty clauses in the Premier League broadcasting contracts if the season was terminated rather than played to a conclusion. These would run into hundreds of millions of pounds for the Premier League and would most likely have to be passed onto the clubs, or alternatively would be clawed back by removing things such as parachute payments.

That is what has led to the solution of moving games behind closed doors.

The Premier League has been the last major organisation in Europe to move towards ending spectator attendance at their games.

So far the government has followed medical advice that has insisted the congregation of large crowds at outdoor events is not dangerous. However, it is the close proximity of supporters travelling, especially on trains, that is now seen as the biggest threat.

Under the plans, pubs will be ordered not to show live coverage of matches and will be threatened with the loss of their licence if they fail to comply. It is thought this will be policed strongly because of the risk to health.

The present proposals are to broadcast every single Premier League game. Every season-ticket holder, or anyone who has a bought a ticket for a game would get a free stream. Clubs would then be able to sell streams for their games to fans as well. Even given the extraordinary nature of the times, there is still a desire not to set a precedent by showing games live at 3pm on a Saturday, traditionally a protected slot to incentivise fans going to watch their local teams in person.

The Premier League has been in negotiations with the Football League to assure them that none of their games would be shown live at 3pm on a Saturday. Broadcasters would face less pressure in the unique environment to put matches directly up against other games. The solution would involve existing slots with potentially three games shown at the same time.

The decision by the Premier League to move all of their games away from the 3pm Saturday slot would allow the Football League to stream all of their matches at that time using the iFollow technology.

Most Football League clubs already have that technology installed to allow them to stream their games. Some clubs have their own streams but the technology is in place for every club to stream their games live.

There is still concern, however, at Football League level, about the loss of matchday income which in some cases at that level constitutes two thirds of their annual income. Talks have taken place at government level about whether there is compensation available. The chancellor Rishi Sunak unveiled a £30 billion package to help the country get through the coronavirus in his budget yesterday but it is unknown if any of that will be put aside for struggling football clubs fearful of going bust.

Playing games behind closed doors is now seen as the least bad option. It means that existing fixture schedules can be completed across all of the four main leagues in England. Most English clubs have at least nine league matches to play, plus the remaining rounds of the FA Cup and Champions League.

As it stands only players, team officials, broadcasters and journalists would be allowed to attend games in England. A further complication however would be if infection was to spread between players. At that point it is thought that the Professional Footballers’ Association would say that the danger to their members would be too great and games would be cancelled.

At present the Bundesliga in Germany and Ligue One in France have already gone behind closed doors, and one Division Two footballer in Germany has tested positive for the virus.

The Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has voiced his concern about playing games without supporters in attendance. “Does football work without spectators?” he said. “If the people can’t come, there is no sense. We will follow what we have to do, but I wouldn’t like to do it without the people.

“The other issue you have to ask is: is it worse to play football without the spectators? We do our job for the people and if the people cannot come to watch us, there is no sense.

“I would not love to play matches in the Premier League or Champions League or the cups without the people, but we will follow the instructions of the government.”

Discussions have shown that all eventualities are fraught with difficulties, but it is seen as the only way ahead.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Highly unlikely a worldwide vaccine will be ready for everyone in October! Natural resistance might be better

Plus about 25% of common cold pathogen strains are classed as coronavirus. How long have pharmaceutical companies been working on a common cold cure? A vaccine is likely eventually, but tested, developed and ready for global distribution is 12 months+.

 

[Mumbo]

Like this one?

Vitamin D and Influenza—Prevention or Therapy? - PMC

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“According to most of the authors, more randomized controlled trials with effective, large populations are needed to explore the preventive effect of vitamin D supplementation on viral influenza infections”.

Government advice:Take bit D

 

[ShorehamRevolution]

The Times reporting football is to be played behind closed doors (over in the states they just cancelled the rest of the NBA season). We may have already seen the last game of the season with supporters present?

Article:

Games to be played behind closed doors as part of coronavirus crisis plan

All football matches in England will be played behind closed doors under government plans to combat coronavirus that could be triggered as early as today.

A meeting of the government’s Cobra committee this morning is expected to move its response to the pandemic from the “contain” phase to the “delay” phase. That will result in a crisis plan being unveiled for football. The Times can reveal:

● The current season will not be postponed and instead matches in the Premier League and lower divisions will be moved behind closed doors;

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes;

● No games will be shown in pubs so as to avoid congregation of people;

● Premier League games will not be shown live in the 3pm slot on Saturday afternoons;

● Broadcasters will be permitted to screen more than one Premier League game during both the lunchtime and tea-time television slots on Saturday, and the scheduled slots on Sundays and Mondays; and

● Season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games at Football League clubs will be allowed to watch matches on iFollow streams.

The plan may be implemented once the number of UK coronavirus cases passes 500. Last night it stood at 460.

The dramatic moves are seen as the only potential way to end the present season in light of the growing coronavirus crisis in England and the growing possibility of the country being moved to the delay phase.

The government has been in discussion with the Premier League, the Football League and the Football Association about what can be done. The uncertainty over how the virus will develop and how long it will last are seen as reasons why English football will not be temporarily postponed. The forthcoming Euros also present a problem to the Premier League as to when this season would actually finish and how it could impact upon future campaigns.

Sporting integrity has been cited as a major factor in moving against the possibility of cancelling the season outright, although smaller clubs who are more reliant on gate receipts are worried about the financial implications of matches without ticket sales.

However, there are huge penalty clauses in the Premier League broadcasting contracts if the season was terminated rather than played to a conclusion. These would run into hundreds of millions of pounds for the Premier League and would most likely have to be passed onto the clubs, or alternatively would be clawed back by removing things such as parachute payments.

That is what has led to the solution of moving games behind closed doors.

The Premier League has been the last major organisation in Europe to move towards ending spectator attendance at their games.

So far the government has followed medical advice that has insisted the congregation of large crowds at outdoor events is not dangerous. However, it is the close proximity of supporters travelling, especially on trains, that is now seen as the biggest threat.

Under the plans, pubs will be ordered not to show live coverage of matches and will be threatened with the loss of their licence if they fail to comply. It is thought this will be policed strongly because of the risk to health.

The present proposals are to broadcast every single Premier League game. Every season-ticket holder, or anyone who has a bought a ticket for a game would get a free stream. Clubs would then be able to sell streams for their games to fans as well. Even given the extraordinary nature of the times, there is still a desire not to set a precedent by showing games live at 3pm on a Saturday, traditionally a protected slot to incentivise fans going to watch their local teams in person.

The Premier League has been in negotiations with the Football League to assure them that none of their games would be shown live at 3pm on a Saturday. Broadcasters would face less pressure in the unique environment to put matches directly up against other games. The solution would involve existing slots with potentially three games shown at the same time.

The decision by the Premier League to move all of their games away from the 3pm Saturday slot would allow the Football League to stream all of their matches at that time using the iFollow technology.

Most Football League clubs already have that technology installed to allow them to stream their games. Some clubs have their own streams but the technology is in place for every club to stream their games live.

There is still concern, however, at Football League level, about the loss of matchday income which in some cases at that level constitutes two thirds of their annual income. Talks have taken place at government level about whether there is compensation available. The chancellor Rishi Sunak unveiled a £30 billion package to help the country get through the coronavirus in his budget yesterday but it is unknown if any of that will be put aside for struggling football clubs fearful of going bust.

Playing games behind closed doors is now seen as the least bad option. It means that existing fixture schedules can be completed across all of the four main leagues in England. Most English clubs have at least nine league matches to play, plus the remaining rounds of the FA Cup and Champions League.

As it stands only players, team officials, broadcasters and journalists would be allowed to attend games in England. A further complication however would be if infection was to spread between players. At that point it is thought that the Professional Footballers’ Association would say that the danger to their members would be too great and games would be cancelled.

At present the Bundesliga in Germany and Ligue One in France have already gone behind closed doors, and one Division Two footballer in Germany has tested positive for the virus.

The Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has voiced his concern about playing games without supporters in attendance. “Does football work without spectators?” he said. “If the people can’t come, there is no sense. We will follow what we have to do, but I wouldn’t like to do it without the people.

“The other issue you have to ask is: is it worse to play football without the spectators? We do our job for the people and if the people cannot come to watch us, there is no sense.

“I would not love to play matches in the Premier League or Champions League or the cups without the people, but we will follow the instructions of the government.”

Discussions have shown that all eventualities are fraught with difficulties, but it is seen as the only way ahead.

Not even bothering reading all of that as what I have read is the most dramatic bullshit journalism ever.

 

[JPBrods]

PSG played behind closed doors to avoid people coming into close contact en masse. Instead, tens of thousands of fans gathered outside the ground. Playing behind closed doors only makes sense if you then combine it with severe restrictions on people gathering. I'd say limiting attendance figures and spreading crowds thin with spectators around the ground would be more appropriate at this stage.

 

[MullFonty]

PSG played behind closed doors to avoid people coming into close contact en masse. Instead, tens of thousands of fans gathered outside the ground. Playing behind closed doors only makes sense if you then combine it with severe restrictions on people gathering. I'd say limiting attendance figures and spreading crowds thin with spectators around the ground would be more appropriate at this stage.

People stupid enough to still gather in large groups when the government have ordered the game to be played behind closed doors will be the same ones running to the nhs if they contract the virus

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I'd suggest that this is absolutely ridiculous on a huge scale. This is a strain of flu. It is a virus. A virus cannot be cured (just like the common cold). The government can play games behind closed doors, but they'd have to shut meadowhall, the rail network etc etc. The chance of it killing someone is less than 2% and expected to fall.

The conspiracy theorist in me would suggest this is scaremongering in an attempt to control people and manipulation on a grand scale. But that's just me.

 

[s4-blade]

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If you have the flu do you visit elderly relatives? It’s the same principle