I trust him absolutely

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DronnieBlade said:
Yes.

And the evidence. 2 years on, is that the majority of the “nucleus” of the current squad are not Wilders signings. Which given the level of squad turnover typically seen when a new manager comes in is unusual.

I expect this window to possibly dramatically change this.

Nigel Clough gave us Paul Coutts.

Adkins, Sharp.

They were not all bad !

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We will definitely have to agree to disagree on this in that case. It is irrelevant who made the signings; what matters is who got the most out of them.

NC gave us a poor Coutts who played out wide who couldn't cross - CW gave us arguably our best CM. NA gave us 21 goal sharp - CW gave us 30 goal Sharp.
 



DronnieBlade said:
Bollocks.

Be as selective as suits your point.

No agenda there then ;)

We disagree. One of us is wrong !

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PS I take it you missed my end of season Clarke vs Sharp in depth analysis ?
Technically Visibly Statistically ;)
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DronnieBlade said:
Henegan Was £400k.
Hanson was £200k.
Holmes was £450k.
Ched was about £300k.
Thomas around £500k (?).
Lavery would have been six figures.

Not astronomical amounts I’ll concede but, given the available budget, and the transfer market conditions at the time, hardly insignificant either.

No one is suggesting it’s easy. And I don’t have the time for computer based football manager Shyte !!

But the fact is that Wilder INHERITED the nucleus of the side that has been successful for him, and his own transfer dealings have been rather hit and miss.

I would love to know how involved or centric he was to Flecks capture as this happened very quickly after he took the reigns, which suggests the wheels were in motion beforehand.

JOC is a fantastic signing. Cap doffed.

Clarke. Mmmmmm. This is where I’ll be at odds with the majority. I’ll state here and now that he has had at least as many poor games for us as good ones. But he cost £150k from Bury so I’ll give Wilder that one.

Baldock is a good signing.

Stearman is adequate but wasn’t cheap.

Evans and Lundstram are both good ballers, but ultimately they are cover for the Scottish Pirlo and the Scottish Iniesta.

I could go on. But wont.

If I recall the team vs Bristol last match of the season, only Moore, Stevens, JOC, Stears,and Evans are Wilder signing. And Coutts would always start ahead of Evans so realistically this is 7 of the 11 that started 2 years after Tufty came in are either Clough or Adkins captures.

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Interesting that your figure for Heneghan is more than United paid for Stearman yet the former is ‘not an astronomical amount’ and the latter is ‘not cheap’
 
Chali 2na said:
Who are you comparing Wilder to?

Its just you don't seem very satisfied with Wilder's transfer dealings, based on your posts on this thread. Is there a manger we've had who has performed to your standards, or are you the sort of person who is never pleased?
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My opinion is that, overall Wilders transfer activity is at best average thus far. A tad harsh maybe, but that’s as I see it. I have previously stated that this window is a HUGE test of his abilities in this vitally important area, especially so with the increased budget.

What has been immense and a real feather in his cap is the way he sets his sides up. Absolutely categorically no complaints from me on that score.

I’m hoping that any new additions can genuinely drive us forward, with the same method as previous.

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Ricky said:
Yes Wilder's got far more right than wrong and we're lucky to have him, but I'm sick of hearing this 'in Wilder we trust' stuff to be honest. It's a blanket response to any possible issue and the reality is that he's made plenty of mistakes recently, this decision (if it is his decision) to accept this bid for Brooks at this stage being one of them in my opinion. He signed Wilson in January, remember? And spent a year chasing Holmes and Leonard only to not use them. Yes I know the budget hindered him but he's shown that he isn't infallible.

We just have to hope that he's given the money to reinvest, and that he does so wisely. But it's far from straightforward for us to come out of this sale stronger.
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Agree with all you have said, this a well balanced post. On balance Wilder is well in credit but he's certainly dropped a bollock or three. Honestly, with all the fawning this thread is like The Life of Brian, he can do no wrong. Brooks is the villain of course, he changed agent so this is all the "proof" you need that he is the instigator of the move, nothing to do with United's history of selling the family silver since day dot. Until Wilder comes out and states unequivocally that Brooks asked for a move then for me he's not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy. And depending upon which way he answers this I'm either back onside or done with the club.
 
DronnieBlade said:
Let’s go for comparing him with the much maligned Nigel Clough. Who gave us Coutts, Freeman, Basham, Che.

Outstanding bargain basement buys.

Trump that.

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John Fleck. Free.
Mark Duffy. Free.
Jack O’Connell. £250,000.
Leon Clarke. £150,000.

Far superior bargain buys, before you add Baldock, Stevens, Stearman, Moore, Wright etc.
 
snootyfenooty said:
Agree with all you have said, this a well balanced post. On balance Wilder is well in credit but he's certainly dropped a bollock or three. Honestly, with all the fawning this thread is like The Life of Brian, he can do no wrong. Brooks is the villain of course, he changed agent so this is all the "proof" you need that he is the instigator of the move, nothing to do with United's history of selling the family silver since day dot. Until Wilder comes out and states unequivocally that Brooks asked for a move then for me he's not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy. And depending upon which way he answers this I'm either back onside or done with the club.
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Shit flounce 3/10. Must try harder
 
Danny04 said:
John Fleck. Free.
Mark Duffy. Free.
Jack O’Connell. £250,000.
Leon Clarke. £150,000.

Far superior bargain buys, before you add Baldock, Stevens, Stearman, Moore, Wright etc.
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I’d forgotten Duffy. My bad !!

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DronnieBlade said:
My opinion is that, overall Wilders transfer activity is at best average thus far. A tad harsh maybe, but that’s as I see it. I have previously stated that this window is a HUGE test of his abilities in this vitally important area, especially so with the increased budget.

What has been immense and a real feather in his cap is the way he sets his sides up. Absolutely categorically no complaints from me on that score.

I’m hoping that any new additions can genuinely drive us forward, with the same method as previous.

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I dont know if it's deliberate, but you've avoided the question again.*

The reason why I asked that question is because if you regard Wilder's business as "average", how would you rate that of Adkins, Clough, Blackwell etc?

*Please note: this isn't a command or instruction. You're free not to answer the question without swearing at me.
 
Chali 2na said:
I dont know if it's deliberate, but you've avoided the question again.*

The reason why I asked that question is because if you regard Wilder's business as "average", how would you rate that of Adkins, Clough, Blackwell etc?

*Please note: this isn't a command or instruction. You're free not to answer the question without swearing at me.
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I have given my (current) opinion of Wilder in this regard. Are you able to absorb this ?

As regards the other 3 Adkins poor (highly tainted by the debacle that was Hammond but there was Sharp !). Clough good overall. Blackwell (coughs) ahem !!

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snootyfenooty said:
Agree with all you have said, this a well balanced post. On balance Wilder is well in credit but he's certainly dropped a bollock or three. Honestly, with all the fawning this thread is like The Life of Brian, he can do no wrong. Brooks is the villain of course, he changed agent so this is all the "proof" you need that he is the instigator of the move, nothing to do with United's history of selling the family silver since day dot. Until Wilder comes out and states unequivocally that Brooks asked for a move then for me he's not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy. And depending upon which way he answers this I'm either back onside or done with the club.
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From The Star.. ...

. But in this instance, having been informed the 20-year-old quite fancied heading south, they had little choice but to accept the inevitable and start negotiating

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...on-but-how-his-fee-is-invested-will-1-9226799
 
DronnieBlade said:
I have given my (current) opinion of Wilder in this regard. Are you able to absorb this ?

As regards the other 3 Adkins poor (highly tainted by the debacle that was Hammond but there was Sharp !). Clough good overall. Blackwell (coughs) ahem !!

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Now we're getting somewhere...

So if Wilder's record is "average" and Clough's is "good overall", you're saying that Clough had a better record in the transfer market than Wilder?
 
Chali 2na said:
Now we're getting somewhere...

So if Wilder's record is "average" and Clough's is "good overall", you're saying that Clough had a better record in the transfer market than Wilder?
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Affirmative. As things stand.

Clough set his side up very differently to Wilder and was less effective at utilising his resources though. A major feather in Wilders cap (as previously stated).

And no I don’t want Clough back (or Wilder out), just in case you are lining that one up ;)

Tinker :)

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snootyfenooty said:
Funny how the Star has suddenly gone from being the butt of everyone's jokes to being the official spokesperson for SUFC.

3/10, must try harder.
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So are you suggesting that Brooks didn't want to go and fully intended to see out his contract?
 



Bert said:
So are you suggesting that Brooks didn't want to go and fully intended to see out his contract?
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No, If you trawl through my previous posts I'm waiting for OFFICIAL confirmation.

I would be delighted to be proved wrong by the way.
 
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