Sexist chants at Lane, are we guilty?

[Rodley]

A significant number of football fans are thick as two short planks so casual racism, homophobia, xenophobia, sexism and supporting Brexit to 'take back our country' are par for the course.

Sweeping statements against people who make sweeping statements.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Why can't the Star confront the Wednesday fans for their behaviour, rather than pussy footing around the issue and saying it was both sets of supporters; it wasn't.

Presumably these articles have come to light following songs directed at Wilder's daughter, so why not focus on that, rather than the broader/less targeted issue which as the article says, is present at every club on a match day.

Surely if the Star is as anti-sexist as it suggests, it'd focus on specific cases. You won't win any 'wars' without doing this.

Just to make it clear, today's articles in the print version of the Star appear together on p. 6. The larger one is focussed entirely on the Wednesday fans, from the point of view of Lee Bullen's wife. The second item picks up on this, repeating the problem on Friday with Wednesday fans, and broadening it out to other recent racist/homophobic songs reportedly heard from both sets of supporters. So the reporting is on what the Wednesdayites did on Friday, the comment moves on to the broader problem in (Sheffield) football. I think that is a fair balance for the aftermath of Friday's game.

 

[super_pig]

Is there any truth in the reports of United fans singing about Chansari’s wife, or is it made up by the piggies to deflect away from their own vile behaviour.

Have to say I’ve never heard any chant, but that’s not to say there isn’t one. I’ve not seen the wording or tune anywhere, not even from the accusers (pigs)

My feeling is it’s bollox, a desperate attempt to paint us in a bad light as well now they themselves have received some bad publicity.

Chanting about Chansari’s wife seems an obscure target. I’ve not seen her or heard of her. But then again you’d say the same about our managers young daughter.

There’s a story in today’s Star about how both sets of fans are guilty of this chanting. Is it a case of the Star just taking the word of some pigs that it happened?

did any pensioners get kidney punched?
total bollocks.. never heard of his wife

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

It's probably just me, but I don't see women as possessions, I don't see women making their own sexual decisions as slags, I don't see people of south asian descent as figures of ridicule, I don't see any race/sex/sexuality as inferior or as the punchline to a joke, neither do I see being the victim of rape as a joke. I just take the rather simplistic view that if a phrase or word is at worst illegal or at best socially unacceptable then I don't use it, whether I be at the match, the pub or work. The excuse that it was legal or socially acceptable 30 yrs ago and that's why it's still being sung at a match doesn't cut much ice with me. It's less about being outraged, more about culturally/socially evolving as a human being from the point of birth to the point of death.

A very fine post. Society constantly evolves, and just as when it evolves for the worse, we should do our best to oppose it, when it changes for the better we should encourage it. The racism and homophobia of the football chants of the past are now an embarrassment, and few people still accept them. Sexist chants will probably go the same way, and people will look back at them in disbelief. Women and girls should feel comfortable watching football, just as race or sexual orientation should not be relevant in a football crowd. Which club you choose to support, now that's a different matter...

 

[S64 Blade]

Just to make it clear, today's articles in the print version of the Star appear together on p. 6. The larger one is focussed entirely on the Wednesday fans, from the point of view of Lee Bullen's wife. The second item picks up on this, repeating the problem on Friday with Wednesday fans, and broadening it out to other recent racist/homophobic songs reportedly heard from both sets of supporters. So the reporting is on what the Wednesdayites did on Friday, the comment moves on to the broader problem in (Sheffield) football. I think that is a fair balance for the aftermath of Friday's game.

Fair enough. I no longer buy the paper, so was unaware of how these had been sequenced.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

A significant number of football fans are thick as two short planks so casual racism, homophobia, xenophobia, sexism and supporting Brexit to 'take back our country' are par for the course.

You should stick to your ridiculous slagging Wilder,rather than making ridiculous sweeping statements about football fans.

 

[Sheffsteel]

A significant number of football fans are thick as two short planks so casual racism, homophobia, xenophobia, sexism and supporting Brexit to 'take back our country' are par for the course.

I know what you’re trying to say but it’s not wise to making sweeping statements like that.
There is a group in the categories you say but not sure how significant it is.

For example I’m being totally honest here talking about my experiences.
I personally know many more black British born people that voted for Brexit than voted against it (so are they rascist?).
I also know a few very intelligent political experts that voted for Brexit.
And I know a few young thick voters that “just wanted to be cool and politically correct” by voting against Brexit. When I asked them what made them vote against Brexit, their reply was “I don’t want be rascist”.

But of course just becomes that’s my experience doesn’t mean it’s accurate or reflective of society.

 

[bricktop]

There are posts on this very thread revealing the use of songs that could be considered sexist, as well as racist ones. There's an illegal one that pops up very often, too. It's not a Wednesday issue, or a United one. It's a football problem

One is a song that has been sang by Unitedites for years, celebrating our ability to drink copious amounts of beer, and the fact that being a Blademan improves your chances of having sexual intercourse with members of the opposite sex, and up until this conjuncture it hasn’t been a problem or offended anybody.

The Wednesday pondlife managed to engaged the collective two brain cells and come up with the ditty. “Chrissy Wilder, his daughters a slag”, as well as engaging in a pretty horrendous and vile internet campaign of abuse and it is effectively slag shaming, not forgetting threatening the partner of a Wednesday cult hero when she stood up to a young woman being publicly named a slag in a football match.

Suddenly it becomes a huge issue for both clubs. Well it isn’t. It is a problem for one side of the city, and certain elements of that side of the city need exposure, need to be contrition and you could have been the man do that, but you’ve missed a trick. So why is it a huge problem for us as well as them, or don’t your organ grinders want the monkey to start flinging shit.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Racist.

 

[stringer]

as well as engaging in a pretty horrendous and vile internet campaign of abuse and it is effectively slag shaming,

Sounds familiar. Take it you’ve never heard the illegal song sung by Blades then? Or are we all above such things and only those in blue and white are capable of it?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

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[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

What would be nice is if instead of slavering and slavishly reporting on the latest "who said what" outrages (and opening comments to continue the "debate", the Stir actually came out with a Leader piece condemning this race to the bottom all of the Cities' bellends are seemingly hell bent upon. Something the clubs could get involved with too. The City was rightly proud of the campaign to take the Semi Final to Wembley all those years ago and one horrible incident aside, the Media contrasted the atmosphere of the Sheffield game against the toxicity of the North London one. Taking place today, I'd suggest it'd be the opposite. How has this happened and why isn't it being pulled up?

 

[bricktop]

Sounds familiar. Take it you’ve never heard the illegal song sung by Blades then? Or are we all above such things and only those in blue and white are capable of it?

So which illegal song are we referring to?

 

[Sean Thornton]

So which illegal song are we referring to?

You really don't know?

 

[bricktop]

You really don't know?

I’m waiting for Danny04 to tell me which one he is referring to.

 

[stringer]

I’m waiting for Danny04 to tell me which one he is referring to.

To narrow it down it's a Ched one (that isn't 'Super Chedwyn Evans')

 

[Chali 2na]

I don't see any race/sex/sexuality as inferior or as the punchline to a joke,

Are you saying you can't ever see the funny side in a "sexist"/"racist" joke?

 

[sheffielder]

To narrow it down it's a Ched one (that isn't 'Super Chedwyn Evans')

Is that song sexist?

 

[bricktop]

To narrow it down it's a Ched one (that isn't 'Super Chedwyn Evans')

The one about Ched Evans shagging who he wants? Yeah, I’ve heard that, but not for a very long time,

So because we sang that a while ago, I imagine that must be justification for the vicious, horrendous and vile campaign against Evie Wilder?

 

[Sheffsteel]

Racist.

In the words of John Terry
I have many black friends so can’t be racist, just ask my mate Ashley Cole.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Are you saying you can't ever see the funny side in a "sexist"/"racist" joke?

Good question. Let me come back to you with a coherent answer.

 

[Chali 2na]

Good question. Let me come back to you with a coherent answer.

I thought it was a good question

 

[stringer]

Is that song sexist?

Super Chedwyn Evans? No, I wouldn't say so.

The one about Ched Evans shagging who he wants? Yeah, I’ve heard that, but not for a very long time,

So because we sang that a while ago, I imagine that must be justification for the vicious, horrendous and vile campaign against Evie Wilder?

There is that one, yes, but the one I'm referring to names the woman involved in his case. And no, one vile song doesn't justify any other vile chant - that rationale is a big part of the problem.

 

[sheffielder]

Super Chedwyn Evans? No, I wouldn't say so.

And the shag who he wants song?

 

[stringer]

Yeah I can see why some would take it as such

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I think we should stop singing the Greasy Chip Butty song,it's glamourising a very unhealthy lifestyle and storing problems up for future generations,the NHS will simply not be able to cope,we should be promoting stopping smoking,drinking sensible amounts of alcohol and healthy eating habits

 

[The Crab]

I think we should stop singing the Greasy Chip Butty song,it's glamourising a very unhealthy lifestyle and storing problems up for future generations,the NHS will simply not be able to cope,we should be promoting stopping smoking,drinking sensible amounts of alcohol and healthy eating habits

It's the gallon of Maggots that play heck with my Acid Reflux.

 

[LurkerBlade]

There are two that could be considered sexist (Chansirir aside)

Sheffield is wonderful.
Shag your women & drink your beer is the other.

I don't really care but I would say those are the ones that would have been pulled out as sexist.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It's the gallon of Maggots that play heck with my Acid Reflux.

Surely you are risking upsetting vegetarians eating such large quantities?

Have you no feelings?

 

[The Crab]

Surely you are risking upsetting vegetarians eating such large quantities?

Have you no feelings?

I used to but not any more, along with numbness and a pain down my left arm