Sexist chants at Lane, are we guilty?

[Sean Thornton]

In the words of John Terry
I have many black friends so can’t be racist, just ask my mate Ashley Cole.

As opposed to rascist.

 

[Chali 2na]

As opposed to rascist.

I would imagine that's just the way John Terry spells it, it is a direct quotation after all

 

[bricktop]

Super Chedwyn Evans? No, I wouldn't say so.



There is that one, yes, but the one I'm referring to names the woman involved in his case. And no, one vile song doesn't justify any other vile chant - that rationale is a big part of the problem.

The one you are referring to hasn’t been heard for a long time, probably 3 years at least and I never physically heard it being sang in a ground.

The Evie Wilder chants were widespread, heard in several places, and the pathetic campaign about her has been widespread over social media.

You’re newspaper ran a story on social media about a Manchester United supporter who made an offensive tweet about Hillsborough, and named his employer and contact them for comment,

There are plenty of comments about Evie Wilder, from people who it is easy to find out who are they are where they work. Surely as a local newspaper it would be in your interest to also report on that.

That is unless you are fearful of upsetting Chansiri, which to see goes against the ethos of journalism

 

[Sean Thornton]

I would imagine that's just the way John Terry spells it, it is a direct quotation after all

Sheffsteel is John Terry?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Surely you are risking upsetting vegetarians eating such large quantities?

Have you no feelings?

Aren't maggots fish?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Are you saying you can't ever see the funny side in a "sexist"/"racist" joke?

I thought it was a good question

It's a good question, because without wishing to contradict myself, I suppose that the answer is not binary, but nuanced. It's about the joke and who's telling it; the balance of power and the intended consequence of the joke. Also I suspect my definition of those words differ/is different to the next person. Having thought about it, I can identify personal hypocrisies.

I'd say a definite 'no' if the jokes are based on lazy caricature, exaggerated accents, stereotypical physical characteristics, contain pejorative terms and the 'ism' is the punchline.

However, 'yes' if it's the topic, as an example the father ted sketch and the phoenix nights folk group.

To confuse things even more, there's an ambiguous area of eddie murphy and richard prior.

My tastes have changed over the years, I've laughed at jokes that I wouldn't do now, but I was never interested in bernard manning style gags, he had his audience, I wasn't in it. My tastes are george carlin, bill hicks and doug stanhope, and part of the delay in me answering was remembering the contents of their jokes.

But as i've said i'm not the moral guardian of the country & it's each to their own.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

The one you are referring to hasn’t been heard for a long time, probably 3 years at least and I never physically heard it being sang in a ground.

The Evie Wilder chants were widespread, heard in several places, and the pathetic campaign about her has been widespread over social media.

You’re newspaper ran a story on social media about a Manchester United supporter who made an offensive tweet about Hillsborough, and named his employer and contact them for comment,

There are plenty of comments about Evie Wilder, from people who it is easy to find out who are they are where they work. Surely as a local newspaper it would be in your interest to also report on that.

That is unless you are fearful of upsetting Chansiri, which to see goes against the ethos of journalism

You have to query the appetite of the police, the press & the club. It wouldn't take the assistance of GCHQ to identify the main culprits.

 

[stringer]

The one you are referring to hasn’t been heard for a long time, probably 3 years at least and I never physically heard it being sang in a ground.

The Evie Wilder chants were widespread, heard in several places, and the pathetic campaign about her has been widespread over social media.

You’re newspaper ran a story on social media about a Manchester United supporter who made an offensive tweet about Hillsborough, and named his employer and contact them for comment,

There are plenty of comments about Evie Wilder, from people who it is easy to find out who are they are where they work. Surely as a local newspaper it would be in your interest to also report on that.

That is unless you are fearful of upsetting Chansiri, which to see goes against the ethos of journalism

Bang on mate, Chansiri's said no
Have you solved the rail strike yet?

 

[Sean Thornton]

The one you are referring to hasn’t been heard for a long time, probably 3 years at least and I never physically heard it being sang in a ground.

The Evie Wilder chants were widespread, heard in several places, and the pathetic campaign about her has been widespread over social media.

You’re newspaper ran a story on social media about a Manchester United supporter who made an offensive tweet about Hillsborough, and named his employer and contact them for comment,

There are plenty of comments about Evie Wilder, from people who it is easy to find out who are they are where they work. Surely as a local newspaper it would be in your interest to also report on that.

That is unless you are fearful of upsetting Chansiri, which to see goes against the ethos of journalism

The one he's on about is sung in pubs at most away games, and at half time. Even now. Bradford away last year, an ex copper I know was singing it with gusto, alongside most of a packed pub. Again and again.

Which, however, isn't a set off aagainst what is, an organised campaign. Wonder if the Star has followed up the allegations about a Pig employee being involved?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Aren't maggots fish?

It's a minefield this trying not to upset anyone lark,ain't it?

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's a minefield this trying not to upset anyone lark,ain't it?

Just tell lies, slag Wilder, McCabe and certain players. Quite a few don't mind that.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

It's a good question, because without wishing to contradict myself, I suppose that the answer is not binary, but nuanced. It's about the joke and who's telling it; the balance of power and the intended consequence of the joke. Also I suspect my definition of those words differ/is different to the next person. Having thought about it, I can identify personal hypocrisies.

I'd say a definite 'no' if the jokes are based on lazy caricature, exaggerated accents, stereotypical physical characteristics, contain pejorative terms and the 'ism' is the punchline.

However, 'yes' if it's the topic, as an example the father ted sketch and the phoenix nights folk group.

To confuse things even more, there's an ambiguous area of eddie murphy and richard prior.

My tastes have changed over the years, I've laughed at jokes that I wouldn't do now, but I was never interested in bernard manning style gags, he had his audience, I wasn't in it. My tastes are george carlin, bill hicks and doug stanhope, and part of the delay in me answering was remembering the contents of their jokes.

But as i've said i'm not the moral guardian of the country & it's each to their own.

Saying that, it's quite possible that I over think things.

 

[stringer]

Wonder if the Star has followed up the allegations about a Pig employee being involved?

A name would help, cc brownie

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Aren't maggots fish?

Fucking hell, that’s where I’ve been going wrong....

 

[Chali 2na]

It's a good question, because without wishing to contradict myself, I suppose that the answer is not binary, but nuanced. It's about the joke and who's telling it; the balance of power and the intended consequence of the joke. Also I suspect my definition of those words differ/is different to the next person. Having thought about it, I can identify personal hypocrisies.

I'd say a definite 'no' if the jokes are based on lazy caricature, exaggerated accents, stereotypical physical characteristics, contain pejorative terms and the 'ism' is the punchline.

However, 'yes' if it's the topic, as an example the father ted sketch and the phoenix nights folk group.

To confuse things even more, there's an ambiguous area of eddie murphy and richard prior.

My tastes have changed over the years, I've laughed at jokes that I wouldn't do now, but I was never interested in bernard manning style gags, he had his audience, I wasn't in it. My tastes are george carlin, bill hicks and doug stanhope, and part of the delay in me answering was remembering the contents of their jokes.

But as i've said i'm not the moral guardian of the country & it's each to their own.

Fair enough, though I think you should open yourself up to "jokes are based on lazy caricature, exaggerated accents, stereotypical physical characteristics," - plenty a cheap laugh to be had

 

[bricktop]

Bang on mate, Chansiri's said no
Have you solved the rail strike yet?

No. I’m a train driver, and I’m enjoyed to drive trains in a safe and timely manner from point A to B. Industrial relations isn’t a part of my remit.

A bit like your role in journalism and your remit not to do anything to upset Sheffield Wednesday

 

[bricktop]

A name would help, cc brownie

I’m too busy sorting the rail strikes, however if you looked closely enough at the time you would have been able to discover the identity yourself

 

[stringer]

A bit like your role in journalism and your remit not to do anything to upset Sheffield Wednesday

Quite obviously that's the case here.
Considering you seem intent on insisting that United fans can do no wrong, ask yourself who's the biased one here?

 

[bricktop]

Quite obviously that's the case here.
Considering you seem intent on insisting that United fans can do no wrong, ask yourself who's the biased one here?

Where have i said that United fans can do no wrong?

 

[Northyorksblade]

The one you are referring to hasn’t been heard for a long time, probably 3 years at least and I never physically heard it being sang in a ground.

Rubbish! I heard it last, the last time Ched played. There are still sections of our support who think it's ok to name the girl, state she likes anal sex and is a prostitute.

 

[bricktop]

Rubbish! I heard it last, the last time Ched played. There are still sections of our support who think it's ok to name the girl, state she likes anal sex and is a prostitute.

Which game was that? I genuinely didn't think i had heard it for a while, and I've been away quite a lot this season

 

[sheffielder]

Can I just say on my own behalf and not reading alll the other replies. No i am not guilty.

In the Ched heaven season I refused to sing his name and certainly didn’t sing the song or the one which has the girls name in it. I didn’t think he was guilty but you have to rise above things sometimes.

We have all been young and said through away stuff but if you’re a man of any maturity you should rise above any songs where people associated by relationship are a no go.

This tit for tat shit is getting old.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

One is a song that has been sang by Unitedites for years, celebrating our ability to drink copious amounts of beer, and the fact that being a Blademan improves your chances of having sexual intercourse with members of the opposite sex, and up until this conjuncture it hasn’t been a problem or offended anybody.

The Wednesday pondlife managed to engaged the collective two brain cells and come up with the ditty. “Chrissy Wilder, his daughters a slag”, as well as engaging in a pretty horrendous and vile internet campaign of abuse and it is effectively slag shaming, not forgetting threatening the partner of a Wednesday cult hero when she stood up to a young woman being publicly named a slag in a football match.

Suddenly it becomes a huge issue for both clubs. Well it isn’t. It is a problem for one side of the city, and certain elements of that side of the city need exposure, need to be contrition and you could have been the man do that, but you’ve missed a trick. So why is it a huge problem for us as well as them, or don’t your organ grinders want the monkey to start flinging shit.

The 2 things need to be kept separate. One type of song/chant/tweet is illegal as well as offensive, and most fans would want them eliminating, whether it is the recent ones from S6, or the ones from S2 around the Ched trial. (I am looking forward to his return, and I am not in an anti-Ched camp). If people want to claim the moral high ground for us, that is not the main point. These sorts of things need stamping out, full-stop.
The 'Shoreham boys' type songs/chants are quite different, in that they are not threatening individuals, are not illegal, but do now seem awkward in the context of changes in social attitudes. 'Shoreham boys' sounds good, but it does get onto awkward territory, and I think your understanding of it is (deliberately?) naive. I take it be like a Viking raid, and that we are going to pinch their beer (rather than appreciate their locally crafted ales as Ball Sup does), and that we are going to take their women (women as their possessions) and have our way with them (and we are not talking romantic seduction here). The women are possessions of the opposing fans, and do not have minds of their own. OK, a bit over the top, but not a good thing to sing when we have lots of female fans, a ladies team, etc. I have taken daughter, son, granddaughter and grandson on the Kop for many years, and the swearing I can handle, but I do find that kind of song awkward, and like many others, I sing the opening lustily, and then start mumbling or just stop singing. I don't mind the Magic Hat (bad language, but good content), but sexism is beginning to sound very antiquated, and will probably go the way of racist chants. But at the same time, it is quite different from the vicious stuff directed at individuals.

 

[blade too long]

shoreham boys we are here whoa oh
to help facilitate a communal non specific gender enlightened atmosphere whoa oh


Blades ultra sensitives

 

[stringer]

Where have i said that United fans can do no wrong?

With the 'I've not heard it for three years so it can't happen' line despite a fair few others on this thread alone hearing it regularly.
Do you genuinely believe the problem of sexist chants is solely a Wednesday one, because of the latest example of it?

 

[blade too long]

With the 'I've not heard it for three years so it can't happen' line despite a fair few others on this thread alone hearing it regularly.
Do you genuinely believe the problem of sexist chants is solely a Wednesday one, because of the latest example of it?

We havent commisioned any new songs
theres a few golden oldies still sung its hard to justify

but many ditties from the seventies that were chart hits have some very dubious lyrics

Wednesday fans are always lowering the tone its what they do
look at the letter their chairman sent the FA asking for money after 89 , callous through and through

 

[stringer]

We havent commisioned any new songs
theres a few golden oldies still sung its hard to justify

but many ditties from the seventies that were chart hits have some very dubious lyrics

So if it was okay in the 70s, it's okay now?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

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[blade too long]

So if it was okay in the 70s, it's okay now?

its how you context it
its cringeworthy lisening to how things were then , but we cant change what happened
its like girls of 15/17 in the early sixties being forced to give up babies back then
its changed immensely, change takes time
Some have started a new order of how to behave and act , but it wont all change over night
they are fools to think it can

some can accept change some cant

 

[northsomersetblade]

This thread has really opened my eyes about all the hate that festers at football matches. I think we’d all better stop going. And if anybody has too, for goodness sake don’t sing anything, Best not even speak. And to think I used to go because it seemed like simple pleasure with my mates. Now I realise I am not morally superior to a serial rapist. I think for penance I ought to be flogged by a transgender person of colour until I am sorry