Brooks

[boo radley]

Number 10 in the 3-5-2/3-4-1-2 is the sole link from midfield to attack, the only dedicated attacking midfielder. A wide player in a 4-2-3-1 is one of 3 attacking midfielders and still has the cover of the central midfield 2 as well as a full back behind him. That's a definite difference in attacking responsibility. Also defensive responsibility IMO, as out wide there's less lateral space to potentially have to cover and it's simpler defending in wide areas than centrally.
In terms of work rate, they'd all be expected to give 100% regardless of position.

Thing is Duffy covered more than Coutts last season so that opinion does hold water a little for Brooks and Id agree like I said earlier they'd all be expected to give 100%. The cover comes when knowing to slip inside or when the wing back or full back overlaps. That is what we need to improve on so with a player learning 1st team football unless he already has that ability or mind set he will not be 1st choice. Unless he is doing something special outwide we cannot afford to carry someone this season. so he would have to learn the cover roll really quickly.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Oh I'm sure Rooney will make a hole in that...[/QUOTE]

Think it's a free transfer and a 50% reduction in wages to ONBLY 150K per week.............

UTB

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just seen the highlights, OK it's Stockbridge but he looked a level above with the close control and swagger. Maybe he is the diamond in the rough next season, he's certainly not going to Chezzy.

 

[Th!stledo]

If I remember correctly, Tony Currie was frustratingly inconsistent for the first few games with us. Then something clicked, the ability, confidence and swagger fell into place ... and the legend was born.

 

[FTPE]

If I remember correctly, Tony Currie was frustratingly inconsistent for the first few games with us. Then something clicked, the ability, confidence and swagger fell into place ... and the legend was born.

In a similar way (to TC not Brooks)
Ronaldo played like a complete twat the first few matches for Man United.
I always remember one of his first games after he lost the ball the away fans chanting "you've bought the wrong Ronaldo".

 

[loyalblade95]

everton confirmed it was only speculation and that they did not offer any form of bid, given that they signed that lad from QPR they're speculation has probably ended

 

[bertieblade]

how long is Brooks contracted to us for?

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

everton confirmed it was only speculation and that they did not offer any form of bid, given that they signed that lad from QPR they're speculation has probably ended

Doubt their budget or signing of "future " young players is that restrictive I'm afraid!

 

[1danewhitehouse]

His balance and close control is incredible.
He floats similar to Scoogs except the the ball stays with him.
I just can't work out where to play him with the players we currently have.

I think in the current 352 system, I can only see him playing the number 10 position. Or possibly as a 2nd striker like when we brought Scougall in to play off Sharp for a couple of games when we had injuries. By all accounts he can also play out wide but not convinced about him in a wing back role.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Unfortunately money talks everywhere in football. Everton selling Lukaku for £75m shows how silly it is.

If DCL went for £1.2m I believe - then if Brooks looks better could United turn down £2m? It would certainly test our resolve.

UTB

As a championship club I would certainly hope that we’re now better placed to resist bids in the £1-2 million range. I’d like to see him stay and develop with us unless someone offer silly money (I’m not sure what constitutes ‘silly money’ now days but certainly more than £2million- maybe somewhere in the region of £5-6 million) in which case you have to consider what else you can do with that money to strengthen the team at this level.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Can you imagine if we'd just signed a French kid who'd just won an international tourneyment and was voted the best player during it?

Hmmm… Is said French kid pacey, black and hungry?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No one is not behind the club but the minute anyone decent emerges from the academy they are sold.


What’s the point?


Why bother.


All the sale does is recover costs.


Spend the academy money on the first team.

Whilst it’s not my preferred method, if it’s generating enough money there is a point. Last season we got somewhere in the region of £2.5 million for Ramsdale and DCL which allowed us to strengthen the first team and get promoted. We’ve since received another million or so from the Maguire sell on and could be looking at around £4million if Walker goes.


I’d rather see these players coming through and improving our team but the academy might well be going some way to funding first team expenditure as well as enhancing the reputation of our club when these lads go on to play for England.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Simple question

What wage should we pay him?

After reading the comments on this thread you can bet his agent will want at least £15K a week.
Should he be the top earner at the club? It's amazing that's he's hardly played league football and already he's our best player.

There's so many factors yet.
Remember after a few games most Blades were saying EEL could lead us to the PL and we should build our defence around him and give him what ever wage he wants. He was to be our new Chris Morgan.

He’s not our best player. But he is possibly our most valuable asset (along with JOC and Fleck). The market dictates that young players with great potential are extremely valuable.


As for wage, I’m not sure how long he has on his current deal. He won’t be on much now and we could hold him to that wage until the contract expires. If that’s 2 years on say £2k per week, he might accept an extension that sees his wages go up now but not as much as he might get elsewhere. If for example, we offered him a new 3 year deal on say £6k per week he might take it so as to be £4k per week better off for the next 2 years.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

'Letting' our young players leave for a million quid a pop, I thought I'd check out what the probable compensation would be if they allowed their contracts to expire; in short if you are lucky you will ultimately get a million for a player irrespective of talent, the only exception to this is if you are a Premiership team losing (in this case) an established Premiership striker (Danny Ings) where the compensation was still a derisory 6.5 - 8 million quid. Whichever way you look at it once the player's head has been turned it's over.
http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/

Chelsea got £3million for Solanke. Prem team but not an established Prem player. I don’t disagree with your overall point, just saying.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

If City released him then they relinquish any future value he may accrue after that.

I understand he came at 16 as a youth scholar. So he will have been released by city at under 16's unless United paid to sign him, which is unlikely considering City are a level one academy and us a level two.

I think it means we’d be entitled to less compo if he left at the end of a contract though as I believe the number of years spent developing a player is one of the factors taken into account so players such as DCL who had been here from 9 years old would command a higher compensation figure.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Whilst it’s not my preferred method, if it’s generating enough money there is a point. Last season we got somewhere in the region of £2.5 million for Ramsdale and DCL which allowed us to strengthen the first team and get promoted. We’ve since received another million or so from the Maguire sell on and could be looking at around £4million if Walker goes.


I’d rather see these players coming through and improving our team but the academy might well be going some way to funding first team expenditure as well as enhancing the reputation of our club when these lads go on to play for England.

Bet the running costs for academy staff is around £1.3M per annum so moving one player on, on the cheap [as we perceive] about breaks even.

If we flog em' for £4/5M then it is a different ball game but I'm confident that no one will come on here claiming so and so went for £4.5M.

I'd still rather the £1/1.5M goes on the first team.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Bet the running costs for academy staff is around £1.3M per annum so moving one player on, on the cheap [as we perceive] about breaks even.

If we flog em' for £4/5M then it is a different ball game but I'm confident that no one will come on here claiming so and so went for £4.5M.

I'd still rather the £1/1.5M goes on the first team.

Yeah I take your point but over a period of 12 months (rough ball park estimates here but)

DCL- £1.5m
Ramsdale- £1m
Maguire sell on- £1m

That's around £3.5 mil over the last 12 months which will have helped us immeasurably. Of course it's not like clockwork and there'll be other years where we make little to nothing. I hope that DCL and Ramsdale will also have sell on clauses that could make more money down the line. Hopefully, now we're a championship club, we can command better fees for out prospects but I guess we'll see. I also hope that rather than just fees, we can establish some of those players in our first team and see a direct benefit that way.

 

[Grecian2000]

I think we should get what we can right now before the inevitable Brook/Brooke/Brooks/Brookes controversy kicks in.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Bet the running costs for academy staff is around £1.3M per annum so moving one player on, on the cheap [as we perceive] about breaks even.

It's been reported in the past that the academy costs £3-4m p.a. to run. Whether or not this includes all the costs of Shirecliffe, where the 1st team also train, I don't know.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Yeah I take your point but over a period of 12 months (rough ball park estimates here but)

DCL- £1.5m
Ramsdale- £1m
Maguire sell on- £1m

That's around £3.5 mil over the last 12 months which will have helped us immeasurably. Of course it's not like clockwork and there'll be other years where we make little to nothing. I hope that DCL and Ramsdale will also have sell on clauses that could make more money down the line. Hopefully, now we're a championship club, we can command better fees for out prospects but I guess we'll see. I also hope that rather than just fees, we can establish some of those players in our first team and see a direct benefit that way.

Can add Che to that too.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Can add Che to that too.

True but I was only talking about academy output. But yeah, that sale will also have contributed to our budget.

 

[Grizzly blade]

I think it means we’d be entitled to less compo if he left at the end of a contract though as I believe the number of years spent developing a player is one of the factors taken into account so players such as DCL who had been here from 9 years old would command a higher compensation figure.

Quite right.
Although this would only matter of course if we let his contract run down. Under contract, usual rules apply.
But Man City would get nothing...they released him and deemed him not good enough to make it.

 

[BushBlade]

It's been reported in the past that the academy costs £3-4m p.a. to run. Whether or not this includes all the costs of Shirecliffe, where the 1st team also train, I don't know.

'Reported' as in someone made it up and posted it on here?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It's been reported in the past that the academy costs £3-4m p.a. to run. Whether or not this includes all the costs of Shirecliffe, where the 1st team also train, I don't know.

That makes the sales of £1.5M even worse.

 

[snootyfenooty]

'Reported' as in someone made it up and posted it on here?

Nope, from memory, from a set of accounts posted a few years back. It was also the case during the Warnock years that he did a deal with McCabe that if he was compelled to sell players then 20% of transfer sales went back into the running of the academy. I don't know whether or not this still stands but the academy was largely Warnock's legacy and he deserves credit for it.

If you look at what's going on there, what with the coaching staff, council rates, ground staff, utilities, catering facilities, educational facilities, transportation etc. Oh and don't forget the junior pros get paid, expenses for the rest and the Crookes facility as well then you've got a tidy sum of money. One million or two ain't going to cover it, so £3-4m seems like a fair assessment to me.

P.S. Haven't we had this discussion before?

 

[BushBlade]

Nope, from memory, from a set of accounts posted a few years back. It was also the case during the Warnock years that he did a deal with McCabe that if he was compelled to sell players then 20% of transfer sales went back into the running of the academy. I don't know whether or not this still stands but the academy was largely Warnock's legacy and he deserves credit for it.

If you look at what's going on there, what with the coaching staff, council rates, ground staff, utilities, catering facilities, educational facilities, transportation etc. Oh and don't forget the junior pros get paid, expenses for the rest and the Crookes facility as well then you've got a tidy sum of money. One million or two ain't going to cover it, so £3-4m seems like a fair assessment to me.

P.S. Haven't we had this discussion before?

Yes and I'm fairly sure there hasn't ever been a set of accounts that separates the academy expenses from our general expenses. Until I see some genuine figures I'll find it hard to believe it's costing us that much and continue to challenge those who say it is.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Yes and I'm fairly sure there hasn't ever been a set of accounts that separates the academy expenses from our general expenses. Until I see some genuine figures I'll find it hard to believe it's costing us that much and continue to challenge those who say it is.

I think you're underestimating the cost of running a Category 2 academy. I can't find anything on United's but I've dug this out regarding Brentford's. They shut theirs down last year because they couldn't justify the £1.5m running costs. Considering their ground is a shit-tip plus I can't recall anyone of note coming through it, I find it difficult to imagine it was anything on the scale of ours.

http://whitehouseaddress.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/the-difficulties-with-academies-eppp.html

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

I just hope we get to see him play for us before the vultures come swooping. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do.

 

[BushBlade]

I think you're underestimating the cost of running a Category 2 academy. I can't find anything on United's but I've dug this out regarding Brentford's. They shut theirs down last year because they couldn't justify the £1.5m running costs. Considering their ground is a shit-tip plus I can't recall anyone of note coming through it, I find it difficult to imagine it was anything on the scale of ours.

http://whitehouseaddress.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/the-difficulties-with-academies-eppp.html

I've never seen Brentford's academy so I can't say how it compares to ours. But £1.5m is more realistic.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

think 3-4m a year is spot on.

Travis Binnon 1m a year
Utilities 50k a year
Youth players 3m a year.

Yes, 4m sounds about right.